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AR15.COM
1/18/2007 7:07:37 PM EDT
Does anyone think there is an issue of being in a database when you manufacture or take possesion of a NFA firearm (SBR, SBS, can, etc.)?  Is the tax stamp transaction just a paperwork formality or are you now on the hook, per se?

On the same subject, when you purchase a handgun or rifle, you do the background check and the form 4473(?) is filled out, is there a database for that also in Nevada?  Will there ever be a Katrina collect all personal firearms since there is a riot going on type situation here (I know that a Federal(?) law was passed prohibiting just that, but the questions still stands)?



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1/18/2007 10:33:17 PM EDT
[#1]
I have 6 nfa items and I'm looking to get more. I have no problem being in a "database". It is a popular misconception the ATF can come at anytime and demand to see your NFA items. When you sign the form 3 or 4 you don't sign away any rights. If the ATF came knocking at my door I would ask for a search warrant and also ask "why".

It is a choice you have to come to grips with. I accepted it a long time ago.

as for the 4473 question, supposedly the information at the NVDPS/POS is destroyed after 72 hours (I think). I know for a fact the only time an agent comes to look for any forms is when they are conducting an audit/inspection or looking for proof of criminal wrongdoing.

I know if I have passed any bad info in regards to the background check I will be corrected.

Mark
1/19/2007 5:15:27 AM EDT
[#2]
You honestly think that the BATF has the manpower to go door to door to collect firearms?  You think that they even have the guts to collect them?  You think that most of us on this forum will voluntarily surrender our firearms to any LEO if there some so-called riot situation or a repeat of Katrina?????  During a situation like that, they will NOT have the time to deal with law abiding citizens.
1/19/2007 5:45:16 AM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
Does anyone think there is an issue of being in a database when you manufacture or take possesion of a NFA firearm (SBR, SBS, can, etc.)?  

The federal governement is forbidden by law to maintain electronic databases of firearms owners.  The NFA is a paper/microfiche system.  State governments have no restrictions, unless they have a similar law.

I'd be far more worried about having a CCW permit, but if it comes to what you describe, it won't be concealed...  
1/19/2007 9:55:25 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:

Mark


Holy crap... look who just came out of the wood work



thanks,
Ron
1/19/2007 10:40:00 AM EDT
[#5]
Thanks.  I'm fairly certain of going the NFA route for an AR build and was wondering aloud.  So even during another round of an assault weapons ban your current inventory would become pre-ban and legal?


Quoted:
I have 6 nfa items and I'm looking to get more. I have no problem being in a "database". It is a popular misconception the ATF can come at anytime and demand to see your NFA items. When you sign the form 3 or 4 you don't sign away any rights. If the ATF came knocking at my door I would ask for a search warrant and also ask "why".

It is a choice you have to come to grips with. I accepted it a long time ago.

as for the 4473 question, supposedly the information at the NVDPS/POS is destroyed after 72 hours (I think). I know for a fact the only time an agent comes to look for any forms is when they are conducting an audit/inspection or looking for proof of criminal wrongdoing.

I know if I have passed any bad info in regards to the background check I will be corrected.

Mark
1/19/2007 12:49:34 PM EDT
[#6]
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Quoted:
You honestly think that the BATF has the manpower to go door to door to collect firearms?  You think that they even have the guts to collect them?  You think that most of us on this forum will voluntarily surrender our firearms to any LEO if there some so-called riot situation or a repeat of Katrina?????  During a situation like that, they will NOT have the time to deal with law abiding citizens.hat
Now, on the local level, that's where I see the problems. Every time you apply to the sherriff for that signature, you're telling them "hey, I want to get something cool", how confident are you a photocopy of that application wasn't tucked away for later? Going the corp or trust route can protect from that, but you still have CCW, 4473's (I don't care what the rules say, I've never seen a state/local entity that can order more post-it notes, let alone do something they don't care about in 72 hours), and our wonderfull blue cards to be concerned with.

As for the "cold dead fingers" argument, well, a lot of people in New Orleans said the same thing pre-Kat, how many resisted? None. The officer shows up, says "Hi, I want your guns" you say "blow me you jack booted thug", he just waits for SWAT, they gun you down, write up whatever they want in their report, and all get medals for their heroism in the line of fire. Sure, NRA will raise holy hell later, but you're still dead, and they still got your guns. Lets see, NRA raised hell about New Orleans and all we got was a lip service federal law and a bunch of STILL unarmed citizens.

I personally keep my "unknown" stuff (weapons with no paper trail, private sales, stuff you had when you moved over to Nevada, etc.) in a seperate, safe, and readily accessible location. When they show up be polite, give them what they know about, and once they are gone, stick a fresh mag in an "unknown" and feel at least a little secure.

Not trying to piss on anyone's parade, just my opinion.
1/19/2007 2:23:25 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:

I personally keep my "unknown" stuff (weapons with no paper trail, private sales, stuff you had when you moved over to Nevada, etc.) in a seperate, safe, and readily accessible location.


Hello... I work for the BATF and we will be over later to inspect this "unknown" stuff

thanks,
Ron
1/19/2007 4:37:48 PM EDT
[#8]
No problem Mr. BATman, my name is John Smith and my address is 1234 5th St., Las Vegas, NV

1/19/2007 11:08:44 PM EDT
[#9]
I have many, many friends that have NFA items and I do not know one, NOT ONE person that has had BATFE knock their door down (or even knock on their doors) in the middle of the night to terrorize them and their families.

I am sure that the above has happened, but I don't think it is the norm and the whole NFA/BATFE scare is more hype than reality.

Just my 2 pennies on the issue.

ETA: No offense to Texans, but if I lived in Texas, I would be more afraid of these guys than any Federal agency....

Dallas SWAT
1/20/2007 6:05:02 AM EDT
[#10]
I'm going to get the SBR anyway.  Thanks for those who provided their opinions.
Just because I'm paranoid dosen't mean...



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1/21/2007 6:31:58 PM EDT
[#11]
Don't worry about a thing, F2.... just behave yourself with your toys.