Posted: 6/23/2006 12:40:38 AM EDT
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Howdy all Am looking to get an RRA 9mm Pistol and was curious who is a good class 3 dealer here in the vegas area. This is my first time doing this so I would appreciate any help in this. I have my form 3 document's and am going down to the local department and getting 2 sets of fingerprint's done, also I believe I need to send in a picture of me aswell and was curious will any picture do? Do I place my order for the rifle then while that is being shipped to the dealer do I have him fill out his part of the form...ect..ect then I have him mail off the form...$200 tax...fingerprints...photo's then wait to be cleared? I hear the hardest part if having the form signed off by our local CLEO, which steps should I take prior to placing the order...ect Thank You |
AR pistols are not considered class 3, citadel sells them. Now if your wanting to make an SBR, then you will have to fill out the appropriate forms and pay the $200 tax stamp. You can, from what I read in the NFA forum, buy a AR pistol send off your 200 bucks and a form 1 ( I think) and then put a stock on it. You must also engrave your name and other stuff on the lower. IIRC |
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With a stock it would definitely be an SBR. The picture that the form requires is a 2"x2" passport-type photo; you can get one at the post office, Walgreens, Kinko's, etc. There is lots of info on the SBR process in The Armory>>Class 3 Firearms section of Arfcom: www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=22&t=199905 |
Nice.  Ok you do not need a class 3 dealer. What you need to do is buy the pistol, fill out a form 1 and some other forms, fingerprint cards, cleo sign off, etc. Once you get your paperwork back take the lower and have it engraved to BATFE standards. Now you can place a stock on it. Here's some info
link ETA: I've been pondering doing this myself. and then a can, and then a....it never stops. 
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Thanks for the help guys, I greatly appreciate it. I have always wanted an ar pistol but dredded going threw the paperwork and cleo sign off but might aswell jump in and give it a shot. I was under the imression since an ar pistol is a short bbl rifle that it would need to have the form 1 filled out...tax stamp...ect..ect and that it would be considered an SBR |
Not until a stock is put on it, I wouldn't buy a stock until your paperwork comes back. You also can't put a vertical foregrip on a pistol. |
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Thanks guys I will go ahead and get the pistol first then fill out my form 1 and apply for an SBR then when that clears turn it into an sbr. Never had the chance to handle a 9mm ar, was curious if they were worth it or is it better to stick with the .223, main reason I was leaning twards a 9mm was that it was cheap to shoot and down the road add a supressor...ect..ect Any major differences from a 7inch to a 10 1/2 inch bbl? Also if I go with the a4 can I get a front flip up sight? Much appreciated guys  LMT makes a pistol aswell correct? |
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If you have an AR pistol chambered in .5.56mm you cannot legally shoot Green Tip (M855/SS109 Steel Core) through it. If it is registered as a SBR it is a short barreled rifle with a stock and you will be good to go. Also, if it is registered as a SBR you can put a vertical grip on it. ETA: If you are going to apply for a SBR this company does outstanding engraving work: Tom Sawyer Manufacturing |
Actually, M855 isn't AP ammo. Here's the .gov definition of AP ammo:
The part where is says "constructed entirely" is key. Since M855 is lead with a steel tip, it falls outside the definition of AP. * From the CFR Title 27: Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms PART 478—COMMERCE IN FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION Subpart B—Definitions |
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Joe, The AP/pistol issue was ATF's way of stopping the importation of cheap steel core ammo before Clinton stopped the flood of ammo with the Most Favorite Nation Trading status he bestowed on China. ATF mad a rule that ammunition that is AP can't be imported if there are pistols available in that caliber. Because there were pistols that used 7.62x29 (Chinese AK's that were turned into pistols) being marketed at gunshows and the Shot Gun News, ATF stopped the importation of the cheap Chinese steel core ammo. This was aimed at cheap AK's and SKS at the time because importation of AP .30-06 still continued even though Thompson Center Contenders are pistols and in .223, .308 and .30-06. I don't believe you will find any ruling/law stating that you cannot use AP in pistol  thanks, Ron |