Posted: 11/28/2013 2:08:25 PM EDT
| Get rid of Flynn,and the defensive coaching staff please. |
| I think the team is a little deflated right now with Arod out. That said, I'm kinda sick of hearing about "the youngest team in the NFL" and "the most salary cap room" every year. I think Thompsons ego won't allow him to sign free agents. Take a look at the big names other teams go after each year. Huge receivers and offensive lineman. This build through the draft business is great for the teams core, but it doesn't put W's in the books on a regular basis. |
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Get rid of Flynn,and the defensive coaching staff please. And replace Flynn with who? Flynn got here too late, just like Tolzien and Wallace. There's no timing between any of the back-up QBs and the receivers, and it shows. Their whole passing game relies on timing and being in-sync with the QB. Pretty hard to bring someone in, last minute, and expect them to play like a starter with no training camp, etc. The A-Rod situation was a disaster just waiting to happen. I think the management's plan on the QB position was cross their fingers and hope Rodgers doesn't get injured. I don't blame Flynn for yesterday's "turkey".... he was sacked 7 times yesterday, and was under pressure constantly. No blocking, not for pass protection, nor run blocking. On the other side of the ball, fire Defensive coaching staff? Amen to that, except Kevin Greene. They've got decent talent on defense, but releasing Woodson has hurt them more than they'll admit. I watched Wood playing for the Raiders yesterday, he can still play. He was the leader on defense and the glue that held it together. Casey Heyward was Woodson's replacement, having him was why they thought Woodson was expendable. Except he's been out all year with an injury. Losing Walden to FA didn't help either. Before A-Rod was lost, the 2 games they lost (Niners & Bengals) were the defense's doing. How about getting a bonafide threat as a punt & kick returner too? 
Put a fork in this season. I wouldn't risk A-Rods health now, let him sit the rest of the season and get fully healed. Cobb won't be back at full steam til next year. Finley may never be back. They won't make the play-offs, and even if they do, they won't last long. Worst that can happen now is to finish 5-10-1.... and get higher draft picks, and an easier schedule next year.  Even with A-Rod back, with all the other injuries and the way the defense and offensive line has been playing of late, they'll likely lose most of the last 4 games ,even with Rodgers. Heal up, and come back strong next year. 
On the plus side, Lacy is the best RB they've had in a long long time. It's about time they've got a real "star" at RB.  If Starks can avoid injury, he's a great one-two-three punch with Lacy & DuJuan Harris. Bahktiari has been very good for a rookie, in a critical position. They need more like him.
Newhouse has got to go. Looking like Sherrod is another Tony Mandarich or Justin Harrell (IOW, a wasted 1st round pick). Franklin has been a bust, so has Datonne Jones (so far... as rookies, maybe they just need a little more time, they've shown "flashes" of being good players). Boykin can play, but they still need another WR, hopefully with some size and good hands... someone like Megatron, Dez Bryant, Brandon Marshall. I don't know the free agent status for next year, but they cannot afford to lose Cobb, Nelson, nor James Jones. Finley can be replaced. Here's an idea for Ted Thompson... draft the entire O-Line of the Badgers.  James White, Chris Borland, and Jared Abbrederis too.
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On the other side of the ball, fire Defensive coaching staff? Amen to that, except Kevin Greene. They've got decent talent on defense, but releasing Woodson has hurt them more than they'll admit. I watched Wood playing for the Raiders yesterday, he can still play. He was the leader on defense and the glue that held it together. Casey Heyward was Woodson's replacement, having him was why they thought Woodson was expendable. Except he's been out all year with an injury. Quoted:
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Get rid of Flynn,and the defensive coaching staff please. On the other side of the ball, fire Defensive coaching staff? Amen to that, except Kevin Greene. They've got decent talent on defense, but releasing Woodson has hurt them more than they'll admit. I watched Wood playing for the Raiders yesterday, he can still play. He was the leader on defense and the glue that held it together. Casey Heyward was Woodson's replacement, having him was why they thought Woodson was expendable. Except he's been out all year with an injury. Cutting Charles Woodson was a major bonehead move. He was THE heart and soul of that defense. This team reminds me of the year after Favre left... There was a leadership void in the locker room... The young guys didn't have the leadership ability to step up and fill the void... it took time... They need another Reggie White type of signing... someone who can give the team that leader they are looking for on the defensive side of the ball. |
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And replace Flynn with who? Flynn got here too late, just like Tolzien and Wallace. There's no timing between any of the back-up QBs and the receivers, and it shows. Their whole passing game relies on timing and being in-sync with the QB. Pretty hard to bring someone in, last minute, and expect them to play like a starter with no training camp, etc. The A-Rod situation was a disaster just waiting to happen. I think the management's plan on the QB position was cross their fingers and hope Rodgers doesn't get injured. I don't blame Flynn for yesterday's "turkey".... he was sacked 7 times yesterday, and was under pressure constantly. No blocking, not for pass protection, nor run blocking. On the other side of the ball, fire Defensive coaching staff? Amen to that, except Kevin Greene. They've got decent talent on defense, but releasing Woodson has hurt them more than they'll admit. I watched Wood playing for the Raiders yesterday, he can still play. He was the leader on defense and the glue that held it together. Casey Heyward was Woodson's replacement, having him was why they thought Woodson was expendable. Except he's been out all year with an injury. Losing Walden to FA didn't help either. Before A-Rod was lost, the 2 games they lost (Niners & Bengals) were the defense's doing. How about getting a bonafide threat as a punt & kick returner too?
Put a fork in this season. I wouldn't risk A-Rods health now, let him sit the rest of the season and get fully healed. Cobb won't be back at full steam til next year. Finley may never be back. They won't make the play-offs, and even if they do, they won't last long. Worst that can happen now is to finish 5-10-1.... and get higher draft picks, and an easier schedule next year. Even with A-Rod back, with all the other injuries and the way the defense and offensive line has been playing of late, they'll likely lose most of the last 4 games ,even with Rodgers. Heal up, and come back strong next year.
On the plus side, Lacy is the best RB they've had in a long long time. It's about time they've got a real "star" at RB. If Starks can avoid injury, he's a great one-two-three punch with Lacy & DuJuan Harris. Bahktiari has been very good for a rookie, in a critical position. They need more like him.
Newhouse has got to go. Looking like Sherrod is another Tony Mandarich or Justin Harrell (IOW, a wasted 1st round pick). Franklin has been a bust, so has Datonne Jones (so far... as rookies, maybe they just need a little more time, they've shown "flashes" of being good players). Boykin can play, but they still need another WR, hopefully with some size and good hands... someone like Megatron, Dez Bryant, Brandon Marshall. I don't know the free agent status for next year, but they cannot afford to lose Cobb, Nelson, nor James Jones. Finley can be replaced. Here's an idea for Ted Thompson... draft the entire O-Line of the Badgers. James White, Chris Borland, and Jared Abbrederis too.
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Get rid of Flynn,and the defensive coaching staff please. And replace Flynn with who? Flynn got here too late, just like Tolzien and Wallace. There's no timing between any of the back-up QBs and the receivers, and it shows. Their whole passing game relies on timing and being in-sync with the QB. Pretty hard to bring someone in, last minute, and expect them to play like a starter with no training camp, etc. The A-Rod situation was a disaster just waiting to happen. I think the management's plan on the QB position was cross their fingers and hope Rodgers doesn't get injured. I don't blame Flynn for yesterday's "turkey".... he was sacked 7 times yesterday, and was under pressure constantly. No blocking, not for pass protection, nor run blocking. On the other side of the ball, fire Defensive coaching staff? Amen to that, except Kevin Greene. They've got decent talent on defense, but releasing Woodson has hurt them more than they'll admit. I watched Wood playing for the Raiders yesterday, he can still play. He was the leader on defense and the glue that held it together. Casey Heyward was Woodson's replacement, having him was why they thought Woodson was expendable. Except he's been out all year with an injury. Losing Walden to FA didn't help either. Before A-Rod was lost, the 2 games they lost (Niners & Bengals) were the defense's doing. How about getting a bonafide threat as a punt & kick returner too?
Put a fork in this season. I wouldn't risk A-Rods health now, let him sit the rest of the season and get fully healed. Cobb won't be back at full steam til next year. Finley may never be back. They won't make the play-offs, and even if they do, they won't last long. Worst that can happen now is to finish 5-10-1.... and get higher draft picks, and an easier schedule next year. Even with A-Rod back, with all the other injuries and the way the defense and offensive line has been playing of late, they'll likely lose most of the last 4 games ,even with Rodgers. Heal up, and come back strong next year.
On the plus side, Lacy is the best RB they've had in a long long time. It's about time they've got a real "star" at RB. If Starks can avoid injury, he's a great one-two-three punch with Lacy & DuJuan Harris. Bahktiari has been very good for a rookie, in a critical position. They need more like him.
Newhouse has got to go. Looking like Sherrod is another Tony Mandarich or Justin Harrell (IOW, a wasted 1st round pick). Franklin has been a bust, so has Datonne Jones (so far... as rookies, maybe they just need a little more time, they've shown "flashes" of being good players). Boykin can play, but they still need another WR, hopefully with some size and good hands... someone like Megatron, Dez Bryant, Brandon Marshall. I don't know the free agent status for next year, but they cannot afford to lose Cobb, Nelson, nor James Jones. Finley can be replaced. Here's an idea for Ted Thompson... draft the entire O-Line of the Badgers. James White, Chris Borland, and Jared Abbrederis too.
Good post. Flynn is the best option right now, the secondary coaching is suspect, and injuries have hit hard. Yesterday's game was hard to watch, reminded me of the 80's. |
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Get rid of Flynn,and the defensive coaching staff please. I must disagree. As others have said, replace Flynn with who? Also, firing the coaches usually doesn't solve anything. If they are incompetent, or horrible, that is one thing. The coaches can have the best game-plan ever, but the players must carry it out. Dropped balls, missed assignments, etc., are the fault of the player. The ONLY thing you could pin on the coaches is if they think a player is ready and he is obviously not. All these things being said, I hope this provides the coaches and management of the Packers (i.e., Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy) a "come-to-Jesus" moment. The team NEEDS to get a player or two to protect Aaron Rodgers. They NEED to find one more top quality receiver. A return guy would be nice. A J.J. Watt would be nice, and then someone in the defensive backfield. (Make that 2) A safety and a cornerback. They need to spend some money. |
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Also, firing the coaches usually doesn't solve anything. If they are incompetent, or horrible, that is one thing. The coaches can have the best game-plan ever, but the players must carry it out. Dropped balls, missed assignments, etc., are the fault of the player. The ONLY thing you could pin on the coaches is if they think a player is ready and he is obviously not. Quoted:
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Get rid of Flynn,and the defensive coaching staff please. Also, firing the coaches usually doesn't solve anything. If they are incompetent, or horrible, that is one thing. The coaches can have the best game-plan ever, but the players must carry it out. Dropped balls, missed assignments, etc., are the fault of the player. The ONLY thing you could pin on the coaches is if they think a player is ready and he is obviously not. Don't quite agree with that. What I don't like is some of the defensive play calling. ESPECIALLY rushing only 3 guys on 3rd and long. How many times have we seen the opposing QB have 6-8 seconds to find an open guy downfield (in the famous "fail Mary", Russel Wilson had 8 seconds!). That's a fricken eternity. I've never seen so many 3rd & 25+ plays made as when Capers pulls that 3 man rush crap. In that situation, time is your biggest enemy... someone WILL get open. The Pack just doesn't have 3 guys who can beat 5-6 blockers. No JJ Watt, no Reggie White, and Mathews can't do it alone. Nor do they have the CBs to cover guys for 6-8 seconds (I doubt anyone has). IMO, you send more guys than they can block, to get to the QB as fast as possible, and trust your guys can get pressure on the QB in 2-4 seconds, and your CBs can cover for 2-4 seconds. At the very least, you send as many rushers as there are blockers, so none of your rushers are double teamed. That's what the famous 85 Bears "D" (and other top-notch "D" I can think of) was so good at, they outnumberd the blockers, and none of their CBs were hall-of-famers. Dent & Hampton were, but even they weren't good enough to just rush 3 guys against 5 or 6 blockers.
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Quoted: I must disagree. As others have said, replace Flynn with who? Also, firing the coaches usually doesn't solve anything. If they are incompetent, or horrible, that is one thing. The coaches can have the best game-plan ever, but the players must carry it out. Dropped balls, missed assignments, etc., are the fault of the player. The ONLY thing you could pin on the coaches is if they think a player is ready and he is obviously not. All these things being said, I hope this provides the coaches and management of the Packers (i.e., Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy) a "come-to-Jesus" moment. The team NEEDS to get a player or two to protect Aaron Rodgers. They NEED to find one more top quality receiver. A return guy would be nice. A J.J. Watt would be nice, and then someone in the defensive backfield. (Make that 2) A safety and a cornerback. They need to spend some money. Quoted: Quoted: Get rid of Flynn,and the defensive coaching staff please. I must disagree. As others have said, replace Flynn with who? Also, firing the coaches usually doesn't solve anything. If they are incompetent, or horrible, that is one thing. The coaches can have the best game-plan ever, but the players must carry it out. Dropped balls, missed assignments, etc., are the fault of the player. The ONLY thing you could pin on the coaches is if they think a player is ready and he is obviously not. All these things being said, I hope this provides the coaches and management of the Packers (i.e., Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy) a "come-to-Jesus" moment. The team NEEDS to get a player or two to protect Aaron Rodgers. They NEED to find one more top quality receiver. A return guy would be nice. A J.J. Watt would be nice, and then someone in the defensive backfield. (Make that 2) A safety and a cornerback. They need to spend some money. How do we convince the Texans to let him come home?  |
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Flynn will be gone next year. They will draft a kid in the 2nd or 3rd round depending on who's available and their number of picks in those rounds.
Capers may or may not be gone. The problems are a combination of scheme and players. His scheme is no aggressive in the secondary and it costs them, due to lack of pass rush on the front end. |
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I think the team is a little deflated right now with Arod out. That said, I'm kinda sick of hearing about "the youngest team in the NFL" and "the most salary cap room" every year. I think Thompsons ego won't allow him to sign free agents. Take a look at the big names other teams go after each year. Huge receivers and offensive lineman. This build through the draft business is great for the teams core, but it doesn't put W's in the books on a regular basis. Dec 15 2013 Final Bwahahahahahahaha! Green Bay 37 Dallas 36 In Like Flynn |
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Flynn has done what neither Rodgers nor Favre has ever done... won a game in Dallas. On top of that, it was one of the biggest Packers comebacks of all time... but yeah we should get rid of him. He should stay on to replace Rodgers when he retires. Become his protege and our next franchise QB. GB has been built on having a solid QB over the past two decades +. Now, we even have a decent running game. Don't let it end when Rodgers retires- we need someone to learn from him and become the new King when he is gone. |
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When the 2nd half was beginning, I was scanning the guide on Direct TV looking for something better to watch. Very 1st play from scrimmage, Lacy busts a 60 yd run. So I think "OK, I'll wait and see if they can score, and at least make it respectable". They do. Defense holds Cowboys, Packers score again. Again, defense holds, Packers score again. Now I'm thinking "Holy shit, they could actually pull this off". Then the refs fuck things up as usual, and the Cowboys get a score. Yup, what was I thinking, this game's lost.
But NOOOOO!. Packers come right back and score a 4th straight time. Then Shields makes the pick, Packers score a 5th time!!! WOW!!! Tramon Williams seals the deal with that fantastic effort and picks Romo again. Most amazing comeback I've seen from the Pack, ever... and in Dallas where they haven't won since 1989 (not counting Super Bowl 45).
On the last kneel-down, Flynn just stayed down on his knee, shaking his head. Even he couldn't believe what just happened.
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| Flynn franchise QB? The guy has washed out of multiple teams already. He had one good game and got paid for it. Now he has had a solid 2nd half and some want to hand the keys to the car to him after rodgers retires? News flash, Flynn is not a star QB in this league, has a chronic elbow problem and will be old when Rodgers retires. He was the best option for the remainder of this season and that is it. |
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Flynn franchise QB? The guy has washed out of multiple teams already. He had one good game and got paid for it. Now he has had a solid 2nd half and some want to hand the keys to the car to him after rodgers retires? News flash, Flynn is not a star QB in this league, has a chronic elbow problem and will be old when Rodgers retires. He was the best option for the remainder of this season and that is it. Flynn is a solid back up, nothing more, nothing less. He was/is the best option for this team right now (and has been since he was drafted), but the talent pool for back-ups isn't very deep (that's why they're just back ups). It takes time for any QB to learn a system and execute a game plan, and be in sync with his receivers. Flynn spent years behind A-Rod in the Packers' system of offense, he knows it well, and it shows. And he's played & practiced with James Jones & Nelson for years, where no one else has that experience. When Rodgers went down, his back up had less than 2 months with the team. Flynn was the obvious choice, and it was a bone-headed stubborness on the management's part that they didn't grab him as soon as Oakland let him go. You put your whole season on the line with a backup QB with no time in the system (like signing Wallace in Sept  ) if your starter gets injured. I like Tolzien, but he needs time with the team to play at a NFL level. You can't sign a QB off some other team's practice squad and expect him to start games, and win them, 10 days later... that's insane. If Flynn was back-up instead of Wallace/Tolzien, they might have one or two more wins right now... which would put them in the division lead by a game or 2. I hope they learned a lesson and keep Flynn for next year, and Tolzien too. Tolzien needs a training camp and practice time with the team to develop.
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good points. i could live with flynn sticking around and attempting to develop tolzein. but some in packer nation need to come to grips with reality that flynn will never be more than a back up and tolzein may never develop into a starter either.
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Hard to believe this, but the Packers now control their own destiny. Ravens beat Lions last night. Packers are half game behind Bears, half game up on Lions. If Packers win last two games (home vs Steelers, at Bears) they win the division. They could lose against Pittsburg IF Bears & Lions lose next week also, but they must beat the Bears in Chicago to make the playoffs. Win both, they're in.
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I was busy finishing my remodel project, and only watched the last few minutes of the 2nd quarter during a break. Thought the game was over, given the score, went back to work. Found out later they came back and won. It will be replayed on the NFL channel tonight at 9pm 8pm. They delete all the commercials and "off the play clock" bullshit, and condense the game into a 60 90 minute broadcast. So if you missed it, here's your chance... even though there's no "drama" cuz you know the outcome, it's still fun to watch a "historic" game like this one (unless you're a Cowboys fan ).
edit: correction - replay begins at 8pm, runs 90 minutes. Last night the program guide said one hour, 9-10pm.... just checked it again, time's been changed. 
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