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That would be nice... Hey, how about no fee at all...like the Feds... All they have to do is get rid of the WI DOJ background for handguns altogether with the only exception perhaps being concealed carry license applications. Federal law only requires a NICS check and does not dictate any waiting period for handgun purchases. |
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If only they had a way to.... pre-approve people..... and issue some sort of...well... PERMIT.....indicating such. Of course, in a perfect world, any weapon would be cash and carry, with no restrictions whatsoever. Michigan and Minnesota used to have a "permit to purchase" law... don't know if either still does. The way I understand it, you would go to local LEO facility and request one, they'd run a background check, give you a slip saying you're approved for purchasing a handgun, and no waiting periods. (This was mandatory for ALL handgun buys... not a "convenience" thing to avoid waits). In a "more perfect" world than we have, a CC license would exempt you from both a background check AND the 48hr wait on handguns. The 48 hr wait limits most buyers to buying local. Not a totally bad thing when buying (or ordering) a new handgun, but I've spotted some deals on used ones that I'd have purchased if I didn't have to make a return trip a few days later.... like at a gun show far from home for example.  I've run into this at local gun shows too. I could've done a "transfer" with a local FFL... for another $30 added to the cost. No thanks. Not a "deal" any more in most cases by adding FFL transfer fees to the cost because of the silly waiting law.
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If only they had a way to.... pre-approve people..... and issue some sort of...well... PERMIT.....indicating such. Of course, in a perfect world, any weapon would be cash and carry, with no restrictions whatsoever. There is a provision for this for NICS checks. The ATF just hasn't approved WI CCL as an alternative yet. I doubt it's high on their priority list. |
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... The wait serves no purpose. Yes it does (in the mind of the antigunners)... it deters handgun purchases, because in a lot of instances, a return trip to the seller in 48+ hrs is a major inconvenience for the buyer. I cannot count the number of times I did not buy a handgun because of a return trip being a pain in the ass. |
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As for the hold up, I did'nt know it was on the ATF end.... I thought it was WI end. Hadn't really looked in to it though. Well, it's both. ATF has to approve WI CCL for bypassing NICS on a long gun transfer. WI has to do it for handgun transfer. |
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As for the hold up, I did'nt know it was on the ATF end.... I thought it was WI end. Hadn't really looked in to it though. Well, it's both. ATF has to approve WI CCL for bypassing NICS on a long gun transfer. WI has to do it for handgun transfer. Which would mean no phone call to DOJ, and no $13 fee.... so when was the last time you saw any govt approve anything that'd cut their fundraising? I'm not holding my breath (but I said that about CC in WI prior to the election of 2010 also )
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Which would mean no phone call to DOJ, and no $13 fee.... so when was the last time you saw any govt approve anything that'd cut their fundraising? I'm not holding my breath (but I said that about CC in WI prior to the election of 2010 also )Umm....this proposed reduction in fees charged? 
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Which would mean no phone call to DOJ, and no $13 fee.... so when was the last time you saw any govt approve anything that'd cut their fundraising? I'm not holding my breath (but I said that about CC in WI prior to the election of 2010 also )Umm....this proposed reduction in fees charged? It's still "proposed"... hasn't happened yet. I've seen too many "proposed cuts" that died to be optimistic about this one. If & when it does happen, I'll retract, you got my word on it. 
What's interesting is, the article you linked said Gov. Walker could "use his extensive partial veto power to rewrite the final spending plan to his liking". Wouldn't it be nice if he rewrote it so those who already paid the fee through their CC licensing cost would be exempted totally when buying a handgun while their CC license is still valid? 
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Hell, they can keep the fee, but I know I've passed on more than a few deals (especially at shows) because I couldn't make the drive back (or to wherever the dealer's shop is) in three days to pick it up. Wisconsin State Law is 48 hours. Eh, either way, it's a pain in my ass. Hell, up until a couple months before I left for Afghanistan the nearest dealer with handguns was a 40 minute drive one-way. |
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Which would mean no phone call to DOJ, and no $13 fee.... so when was the last time you saw any govt approve anything that'd cut their fundraising? I'm not holding my breath (but I said that about CC in WI prior to the election of 2010 also )Umm....this proposed reduction in fees charged? It's still "proposed"... hasn't happened yet. I've seen too many "proposed cuts" that died to be optimistic about this one. If & when it does happen, I'll retract, you got my word on it. The DOJ just dropped the CCW application fee from $50 to $43. Link I stand corrected.
OTOH... maybe I'll just rephrase that... When was the last time you saw any govt with Democrats in charge approve anything that'd cut their fundraising? 
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If you have a concealed carry permit, why do you need to get a background check to buy a gun? This was not part of Act 35 or any other bill, so Wisconsin Statutes and DOJ Admin Code were NOT amended to allow for this. Quoted:
If you do something bad, don't they pull your ccw? Yes, if you are prohibited from possessing a firearm, your CCL is revoked. |
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If you have a concealed carry permit, why do you need to get a background check to buy a gun? This was not part of Act 35 or any other bill, so Wisconsin Statutes and DOJ Admin Code were amended to allow for this. Seriously? When did this happen? So now we're just waiting on BATFE adding WI to the approved list of States where NICS is waived by CHL holders? |
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FWIW... Fed law allows for a waiver of the background check if the buyer has a valid CHL, AND the buyer's State of residence is on the BATFE's list of approved States. Currently there are 21 States approved (ND is amongst them). But that only covers the Fed law aspect, State law must allow for it too. AFAIK, every State approved by BATFE has made changes to their respective State laws to coincide. BATFE has not "gotten around to" adding WI to this list, last time I checked (5 mins ago ). WI does meet BATFE's criteria (NICS check for issuance of CHL, and a 5 yr maximum licensing).
LIST of States where BATFE allows an alternative to a NICS check for gun buyers. The list was last updated in Aug 2011. WI's CCW law did not become effective until Nov 1, 2011. |
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So if you have a valid carry permit, according to the government, you are legal to own a gun or guns........why do you have to get a background check, and wait 48 hours to buy another one? It seems like a waste of time and money to me. It's a pain in the ass if you live in a rural area, is what it is. For example... several times in recent months, Fleet Farm has had a handgun "on sale" that I would've purchased. Except for the fact the nearest Fleet Farm is 60 miles away. I don't mind making the 120 mile round trip once (have done so to buy long-guns there) but doing so twice (now 240 miles of driving) negates any sale price incentives. 
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So if you have a valid carry permit, according to the government, you are legal to own a gun or guns........why do you have to get a background check, and wait 48 hours to buy another one? It seems like a waste of time and money to me. Call your State Representatives and encourage them to make this change. It was discussed during the ACT 35 discussions but they decided not to do it. |
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So if you have a valid carry permit, according to the government, you are legal to own a gun or guns........why do you have to get a background check, and wait 48 hours to buy another one? It seems like a waste of time and money to me. I find the whole "cooldown" period silly, I have a loaded gun on me, but I have to wait 48 hours to pick up another one. silly and doesnt make and sense |
| I was all for the "If you have concealed carry you should be able to walk out immediately" Then we had someone get a denial with a Concealed Carry card. That as a dealer would have been a huge problem down the road and a hassle. So not sure if there is a perfect solution. |
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I was all for the "If you have concealed carry you should be able to walk out immediately" Then we had someone get a denial with a Concealed Carry card. That as a dealer would have been a huge problem down the road and a hassle. So not sure if there is a perfect solution. No matter what system is in place, there will be anomolies. How do you know the denial of the CC card holder wasn't a wrong-identity error at NICS? I know a guy who gets a "delay" almost every time because of the "common name" issue... and he's a retired WI State Trooper. 
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I was all for the "If you have concealed carry you should be able to walk out immediately" Then we had someone get a denial with a Concealed Carry card. That as a dealer would have been a huge problem down the road and a hassle. So not sure if there is a perfect solution. Sounds like the "system" may need a tweak. No need to jerk around thousands of people, just fix the system. As long as they keep the concealed carry card info current and revoke the card if there are any new negative changes, things should be good to go. |
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I was all for the "If you have concealed carry you should be able to walk out immediately" Then we had someone get a denial with a Concealed Carry card. That as a dealer would have been a huge problem down the road and a hassle. So not sure if there is a perfect solution. It is not your "problem" if someone gets a denial after the fact. You are not held accountable for this nor is it your responsibility to get the fireram back. That becomes the duty of the ATF and LEOs at that point, not you. |