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3/15/2013 11:39:20 AM EDT
May have business in MN into the foreseeable future.  What's the process for getting a permit up there?

Anything I need to know / be forewarned about?

Mike
3/15/2013 11:54:26 AM EDT
[#1]
Nothing special other than MN requires Use of Deadly Force and Conflict Avoidance as part of their training.
You must also apply in person at the sheriffs office.
3/15/2013 11:56:42 AM EDT
[#2]
Do they have Non-resident permits?  IMHO you are better off getting a Utah Non-resident for travel.
3/15/2013 12:52:10 PM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
Do they have Non-resident permits?  IMHO you are better off getting a Utah Non-resident for travel.


+1. I'd do Utah personally. (I did). But you can get MN non res permits. I'd ping rfb45colt...pretty sure he's BTDT.
3/15/2013 1:11:44 PM EDT
[#4]
MN permits require the AACFI class specific to MN, and must be applied for within one year of date on certificate of training. Retraining is required upon every renewal also. Permits are 5 years, and cost is arbritary to county, but cannot exceed $100 (each Sheriff Dept will set their own fee, but expect to pay the $100 maximum). No photo required, but like WI, must be accompanied by govt issued photo ID to be valid. No prints, neither. Residents must apply in county of residence, but non-residents can apply in any county. I applied in rural Pine County, and got my permit in my mailbox 13 days later. The law says you must have a reply within 30 days, and anti-ccw metro counties like Hennepin (twin cities area) will wait until the last day to mail it.

IMO, NAM is right about UT being better. A UT non-res permit is recognized in MN and is a better deal at $56, and no retraining upon renewal is required. Utah permit requirements are more than MN requires (photo / prints, specific class by UT certified instructor, and you must have a permit from your State of residence - if they issue any) and UT will take much longer to get (you do not have to apply in person like MN).... but once you get one, you're better off, as UT is recognized in far more States than is MN.
3/15/2013 1:13:15 PM EDT
[#5]
This is a great website for determining what out of state license to go with.  Depending on what states you think you will be visiting and how much you want to spend, you can make a pretty educated decision on what license to get.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

On the right hand site choose "Create License Map" and use that tool to build maps for reciprocity.

3/15/2013 1:29:46 PM EDT
[#6]
AACFI has now become NACFI.

This is straight from the MN Bureau Criminal Apprehension Permit to Carry FAQ:

"Where can I find a list of approved firearm training classes?
The BCA no longer publishes a list of firearm instructors on the website, but does provide a list of the Approved Business Organizations that the BCA certifies for training classes for the Minnesota Personal Protection Act. The Approved Business Organizations certify the instructors that teach for them. Individuals need to contact those organizations for instructor information."

This is a link for said list:

https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/bca-divisions/administrative/Documents/Book1%2003152013.pdf

3/15/2013 2:10:16 PM EDT
[#7]
Hrm.  Never should have let my UT permit lapse...  

Anybody know of any good ones?

Mike
3/15/2013 3:41:53 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
MN permits require the AACFI class specific to MN, and must be applied for within one year of date on certificate of training. Retraining is required upon every renewal also. Permits are 5 years, and cost is arbritary to county, but cannot exceed $100 (each Sheriff Dept will set their own fee, but expect to pay the $100 maximum). No photo required, but like WI, must be accompanied by govt issued photo ID to be valid. No prints, neither. Residents must apply in county of residence, but non-residents can apply in any county. I applied in rural Pine County, and got my permit in my mailbox 13 days later. The law says you must have a reply within 30 days, and anti-ccw metro counties like Hennepin (twin cities area) will wait until the last day to mail it.

IMO, NAM is right about UT being better. A UT non-res permit is recognized in MN and is a better deal at $56, and no retraining upon renewal is required. Utah permit requirements are more than MN requires (photo / prints, specific class by UT certified instructor, and you must have a permit from your State of residence - if they issue any) and UT will take much longer to get (you do not have to apply in person like MN).... but once you get one, you're better off, as UT is recognized in far more States than is MN.


This is good to know, thanks!  I work in MN and Mr. Pistol does not go with me.  I foresee a training class in my future.
3/16/2013 6:23:10 AM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
MN permits require the AACFI class specific to MN...


Agreed with your post, but wanted to point out that AACFI is not the only MN training provider.  

3/16/2013 7:09:03 AM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Quoted:
MN permits require the AACFI class specific to MN...


Agreed with your post, but wanted to point out that AACFI is not the only MN training provider.  



I should've put a disclaimer in my post... "This is the way it was when I went through the process in 2005-2006)".


I do believe that at the time I took the class in late 2005, they were the only certified organization teaching the required course. ? Things can change in 7 years.... like apparantly the organization's name has.

Another differance between UT & MN, is in the training requirements... MN training requires a live-fire "test", UT does not require live fire (still this way, AFAIK).

edit: The ideal situation would be for MN to loosen up it's reciprocity criteria and recognize a WI permit.  They came close.... about 13 months ago, the MN legislature passed a bill that would've made sufficient changes to their CC law, that would've resulted in the reciprocal recognition of WI permits (and most others). But the MN Guv vetoed the bill, and an override was not even attempted (AFAIK).  

3/16/2013 12:14:00 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Hrm.  Never should have let my UT permit lapse...  

Anybody know of any good ones?

Mike


Yeah, I let mine lapse and went to Triad's class for $60.  Same class is good for both WI and UT.  Jeff sets you up with all the paperwork before you leave.  If you do Utah, show up early and bring $10, he even gets the fingerprinting done while you are there.  All you need to do after that is get a passport quality photo.
3/17/2013 8:14:01 AM EDT
[#12]
Some of the MN democrats (not all) are fucking with our permit system in the house and senate. They want annual renewals, going back to "may issue", and a bunch of other fucked up shit. Hopefully there are enough sane rural democrats to stop this from happening. GOCRA (Gun Owner Civil Rights Alliance) and NRA have been trying to stop this.
3/17/2013 11:14:56 AM EDT
[#13]
It only cost me $75 at the Washington County Sheriff office in Stillwater.  It is just across the border.  I received  the permit in my mailbox within 7 days of me dropping my application off.
3/19/2013 5:32:11 AM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
MN permits require the AACFI class specific to MN a MN specific class, and must be applied for within one year of date on certificate of training. Retraining is required upon every renewal also. Permits are 5 years, and cost is arbritary to county, but cannot exceed $100 (each Sheriff Dept will set their own fee, but expect to pay the $100 maximum). No photo required, but like WI, must be accompanied by govt issued photo ID to be valid. No prints, neither. Residents must apply in county of residence, but non-residents can apply in any county. I applied in rural Pine County, and got my permit in my mailbox 13 days later. The law says you must have a reply within 30 days, and anti-ccw metro counties like Hennepin (twin cities area) will wait until the last day to mail it.

IMO, NAM is right about UT being better. A UT non-res permit is recognized in MN and is a better deal at $56, and no retraining upon renewal is required. Utah permit requirements are more than MN requires (photo / prints, specific class by UT certified instructor, and you must have a permit from your State of residence - if they issue any) and UT will take much longer to get (you do not have to apply in person like MN).... but once you get one, you're better off, as UT is recognized in far more States than is MN.


I agree with everything except the correction.  While the training portion of MN's law was pretty much written by and for AACFI, there are other MN certified trainers out there.

ETA, seems like I got beat to it.  RFB: AACFI were never the sole providers of MN approved CCW training, however they tried very hard to make it seem that way.

3/19/2013 8:56:31 AM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
It only cost me $75 at the Washington County Sheriff office in Stillwater.  It is just across the border.  I received  the permit in my mailbox within 7 days of me dropping my application off.


x2 on this, Stillwater is fast and they are very pleasant to deal with