Posted: 6/18/2008 1:42:18 PM EDT
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I'm looking to get a non-resident Utah concealed carry permit, so I'm looking for a recommendation for a training class. If someone has taken a class with someone (preferable in southern WI) let me know what you thought. A Florida permit is also a thought, but the initial & renewal fees are higher than UT and doesn't include reciprocity in MN. If I got the FL route I don't need a class, however, I would still like to take a class regardless. Thanks guys... |
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I forgot to add the 2 places I've found... BDJ Ltd. - http://bdj-ltd.com/classes.htm I tried to contact them twice now about upcoming classes and have yet to receive a return email, so I'm a little turned off by them.... Gene German - http://www.permittocarry.us/ I came upon him from some thread on a WI gun board, not sure which one it was.... |
| Keep your eyes peeled for Defensive Edge classes. Reasonably priced, well worth the time and money and even travel. Sully is a well traveled, very well trained, experienced SWAT cop with a sense of humor, and just enough attitude to keep people from drifting off. Ive taken a couple of his courses and had a great time, improved my shooting a lot too. |
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Sully is not a Utah certified trainer. After you get your Utah I can recommend DE classes (they are so much fun). FYI most Utah classes I have heard of are mostly classroom and just a little range time. This is nothing against those instructors, just not my personal preference on taking a training class. Remember that a class has to be taught to the lowest common denominator, if you are a accomplished shooter you will probably be bored out of your skull but it might be worth it to get that little piece of paper you want. ETA: it looks like you are looking for reciprocity for MN. Why not get a nonresident MN permit (I have one and know some other people around the state do as well). Sully's classes are good for MN (it is his home state). The downside is that you have to apply in person for a MN permit (we attended a class at Sully's home range and stayed a extra day to put in our apps). |
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From your list....... HENRY RAHR ..920-494-3991 e-mail [email protected] Whole bunch of you guys know him, You just may not know you know him..... 
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Gene German's a great guy, but he teaches "how to get a CCW permit" course, along with all the other AACFI course guys. Note: that is NOT a bash, just giving you the facts (AnnieO and I were in on some of the first classes he held in WI). Along with others, I've looked for more, and found that at DETC. I don't believe you can find a better instructor for CCW. ETA: Permits are expensive no matter what. Take a class from Sully, get your FL NR, and then go up and get a MN NR if you wish to carry there. |
I took Henry's class which covers both Utah AND Minn courses. You get a certificate for each state. Definitely not "Check The Box"... |
Both of those states have limited reciprocity compared to FL or UT, which cost over $100. If one takes a class specifically with the intent of getting an MN permit, any permit that allows for CCW there (UT or MN non-res) will cost >$100. Context, friend.
Again: Gene, Henry, and the rest are all great guys, but thier classes have very limited live fire, and zero instruction on the same (typically). Those working from the AACFI booklet put on good "how to get your CCW" courses, but that is the extent of the class. I'm pretty sure that's what Harv meant, and having taken the course described along with others that focus on actually carrying and shooting to save your life, his description is accurate. If you just want to get a permit, take the AACFI class. If you want to learn to defend yourself with a gun and get your permit, take a class from Defensive Edge. |
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Thanks for all of the replies... Just to confirm what I'm looking for... several states that I frequent yearly aren't covered with the MN non-resident permit, but are covered with UT and FL (mainly OH, AL, NV, TX, GA). I was looking into UT because the permit was less expensive and it included MN (which I don't really frequent, but it is our neighbor state). Does the DE class include class time. Yes, I'm getting the CCW permit to defend my life, however, I also want to get some classroom instruction on the way the laws work, what responsibilities I have in a situation where I have to defend myself, etc. So I do feel that classroom portions are also important. Based on recommendations so far it I'm starting to think that I should take the DE class for the training and then just get the FL permit, and maybe the MN permit if I wanted (not sure I want to spend the money though). His class would give me the same options as the UT permit, aside from some extra cost for 2 permits. So, if someone could confirm there is some good classroom information with the DE class it would make the decision easy. |
"Classroom" isn't exactly what I'd call it. No workbooks, no written tests. There is about an hour of lecture where all the needed laws are covered, when you can/can't use deadly force, etc. Typically it's followed by a short FoF scenario where the students watch and serve as a "jury" for their peers. Note that in any CCW class, whatever info you get will apply ONLY to the states the class is certified in. State laws vary, and it is up to YOU to know the DF laws in the state you happen to find yourself in. IM incoming... |
States that Honor Pennsylvania's CCW Permit: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming 22 States that Honor New Hampshire's CCW Permit: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Utah, Wyoming 19 (23 between them, And the states I travel through most) States that Honor Utah's CCW Permit: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, Wyoming 29 States that Honor Florida's CCW Permit: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming 29 So take the cost of the permit , multiply it by 6, Throw in another $100? for the class ( not required for New Hampshire or Pennsylvania) for at best , 6 states. ( none of them I travel through very often) Context indeed, Guess it depends where you intend on traveling and your definition of "Limited reciprocity". |
Brother, please re-read the OP and our exchange. Specifically the part of mine that didn't make it into your quote.
You've read Muglendude's posts, yes? If MN is a wanted state, any permit that covers CCW there will cost $100+ class time. In that context, my "Permits are expensive no matter what" statement is accurate, isn't it? We were trying to be helpfulby adressing Muglendude's situation, weren't we? I understand your point. PA and NH offer a great value. I agree wole heartedly. They are cheap "add on" permits once you get a FL or UT CCW, ensuring you have a locally-issued permission slip if you frequent those states.
NH requires someone else's permit first, as do most counties in PA. IOW, it isn't as cheap as it first appears (or at least wasn't until Denny Nau started his reelection campaign a few years back  ). It also looks like PA and NH have recently added a few states to their reciprocity list, but your listings are still a bit too long. I'm pretty sure you need to take WV off all of them (unless the WV AG has issued an opinion on non-res permits in the last month or so). What you're left with are two permits that have reciprocity with roughly 1/3 less states than UT or FL, and, with the exception of NH itself, duplicate coverage of either FL or UT.Muglendude was asking about CCW classes and permits that will cover a lot of states to include MN. That prospect is going to be expensive regardless, and the PA and/or NH permits won't get him there (they miss a few of the other states he is interested in as well). |
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Just because you have a concealed carry permit from another state, does not neccesarily mean that it will be accepted by other states. I sometimes travel to Michigan. I thought if I sent for a permit from Florida I would be able to legally carry in Michigan. Wrong! If I was a Florida resident with a Florida permit. Then Michigan will accept it. But since I am a resident of Wisconsin with a Florida permit It would not be legal in Michigan. It would be only good in Florida. Other states other then Michigan may be the same way. I beleive I read that on the State of Florida website when I sent for the application. Some states may require you to be a "resident of the state that you have the permit for" in order for them to accept it in there state. Don't assume that if you have a permit from a state that you are not a resident of, that you are good everywhere! |
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Here is a link that will help you see which states offer reciprocity... When you select a state it will ask you if you have a resident or non-resident permit. You can add several states too, so if you get permits for several states you can see what areas you have covered... carryconcealed.net/legal/reciprocity.php Florida non-resident permit is a popular one because it covers many other states and there isn't much training required to receive a permit. |