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3/7/2007 5:26:16 AM EDT
I seem to recall past posts in the Wisconsin HTF alluding to oppressive regulation related to ownership of guns in the city of Madison. Was it something about using a zoning ordinance to restrict AR15's? I am asking on behalf of a guy that is in line for a job in Madison that happens to be an AR owner. I just want to give him a heads-up if it is necessary. Any info appreciated.
3/7/2007 5:36:50 AM EDT
[#1]
Nothing to worry about. Madison used to not allow the sale of handguns but that went away eventually.
3/7/2007 5:37:16 AM EDT
[#2]
The state preemption laws invalidate the local Madison ordinances.

But yes, Madison does have ordinances forbiding the ownership of "assault rifles", pistols with short barrels (under 4 inches I think), and some others.
3/7/2007 5:46:34 AM EDT
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Nothing to worry about. Madison used to not allow the sale of handguns but that went away eventually.


That's still in existence--and a legal ordinance--for FFL dealers.  The state pre-emption law doesn't affect zoning regulations, so Rusk is the only dealer able to actually sell handguns in Madison.  (from my legal FAQ).


59.   Handgun shop, subject to the following conditions:

a.   Such shop shall be located in a building of Type 5 construction as defined in ILHR 51.03(5), Wisconsin Administrative Code.

b.   No handgun shop shall be located within 1000 feet of any church, synagogue, temple, mosque or any other place of worship, any lot in a residence district, either in the City of Madison or in a municipality adjacent to the City of Madison, any of the following planned developments which allow residential dwelling units: planned community development, planned unit development, and planned community mobile home parks; any public park, any private or public elementary, secondary or vocational school, any public or private playground, any day care center, any public library, any youth recreation area including little league baseball fields, soccer fields, or YMCA/YWCA.

c.   No handgun shop shall be located in the same detached building where alcohol beverages are sold.

d.   No handgun shop shall be located in the same detached building where any patron thereof under the age of 18 years may enter, unless accompanied by a parent, guardian or adult spouse 18 years of age or over.

(Cr. by Ord. 11,506, 1-26-96)


Also, check out Chapter 25.  They have handgun registration with a 7-day waiting period (even for private sales), ban on assault weapons, trigger lock required when not being used, ban on sale of handgun ammunition, a complete ban on handguns with a barrel length of less than 4", and a ban on "barbed bullets" (like Black Talons).  As has been mentioned, these are null because of the state pre-emption law.  If the state pre-emption law went away, these would be back.
3/7/2007 5:55:54 AM EDT
[#4]
Thanks for the info guys. I'll pass it along to him.
3/7/2007 7:55:16 AM EDT
[#5]
Grandpa's on williamson street sells handguns too.  But wasn't the point as the OP asked  laws stopping people from owning ar's in madison? There's nothing stopping someone from owning ar's in madison. ETA btw there are plenty of smaller towns and cities around madison like Sun Prairie, Marshall, Middleton..etc that these zoning laws don't pertain to.
3/7/2007 1:15:44 PM EDT
[#6]
I am assuming that the guns stores just outside of Madison get alot of buiness, from people that reside in Madison.
3/7/2007 7:26:52 PM EDT
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Grandpa's on williamson street sells handguns too.  But wasn't the point as the OP asked  laws stopping people from owning ar's in madison? There's nothing stopping someone from owning ar's in madison.  


thread drift?  On arfcom?  

I'd never heard of Grandpa's before.  Is it worth checking out?
3/7/2007 8:45:52 PM EDT
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Grandpa's on williamson street sells handguns too.  But wasn't the point as the OP asked  laws stopping people from owning ar's in madison? There's nothing stopping someone from owning ar's in madison.  


thread drift?  On arfcom?  

I'd never heard of Grandpa's before.  Is it worth checking out?


It's ok. He charges 30 for transfers vs 50 (rusk/ ab) It's kind of a small shop where most of his business seems to come from doing transfers versus having a large stock or well any stock for that matter.
3/7/2007 8:48:49 PM EDT
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Grandpa's on williamson street sells handguns too.  But wasn't the point as the OP asked  laws stopping people from owning ar's in madison? There's nothing stopping someone from owning ar's in madison.  


thread drift?  On arfcom?  

I'd never heard of Grandpa's before.  Is it worth checking out?


It's ok. He charges 30 for transfers vs 50 (rusk/ ab) It's kind of a small shop where most of his business seems to come from doing transfers versus having a large stock or well any stock for that matter.


Right on...Larry Gleasman (owner, "grampa") is a good guy that will talk your ear off if you catch him in the right mood.  He does $30 transfers for long guns and $38 for pistols.  He does not have a lot of stock however - mostly old shotguns.
3/8/2007 6:42:59 AM EDT
[#10]
Grandapa's Gun shop is a good spot.  

I have done a couple of transfers there and it was alway a good experience.  Not so much at Rusks.
3/8/2007 7:43:46 AM EDT
[#11]
Grandpa's location is a paradox when considering the culture of the immediate neighborhood. I had been up and down Willy street many times but it wasn't till last year that my son said "dad, there's a gun shop back there". I said "no way, not in this area" but sure enough. I stopped there a few times (I always hit Ground Zero for beans and a coffee when visiting Madison) but he has irregular hours. I kind of thought maybe he only dealt in shotguns as that is all i have ever seen in the racks through the window.

3/8/2007 8:05:20 AM EDT
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Grandpa's location is a paradox when considering the culture of the immediate neighborhood. I had been up and down Willy street many times but it wasn't till last year that my son said "dad, there's a gun shop back there". I said "no way, not in this area" but sure enough. I stopped there a few times (I always hit Ground Zero for beans and a coffee when visiting Madison) but he has irregular hours. I kind of thought maybe he only dealt in shotguns as that is all i have ever seen in the racks through the window.



I asked him about his location (said something about how surprised I was to see his shop there) and he said that it was a no-brainer:  the progressives (he gave the example of Communists) want to be armed, it's the liberals that are scared of guns.  Something like that, at least.

His hours are more or less by appointment - call him and let him know you have a gun coming and then he will set up a time for you to come in and do the paperwork.  Same for picking up a transferred handgun - I picked mine up at like 8 on a Saturday night.
3/8/2007 8:15:32 AM EDT
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Same for picking up a transferred handgun - I picked mine up at like 8 on a Saturday night.


Saturday Night Special?  In Madison?
3/8/2007 9:59:37 AM EDT
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I asked him about his location (said something about how surprised I was to see his shop there) and he said that it was a no-brainer:  the progressives (he gave the example of Communists) want to be armed, it's the liberals that are scared of guns.  Something like that, at least.

His hours are more or less by appointment - call him and let him know you have a gun coming and then he will set up a time for you to come in and do the paperwork.  Same for picking up a transferred handgun - I picked mine up at like 8 on a Saturday night.


I tend to lump liberals, Greens, and progressives into the same anti-gun mass. When talking to a Green Party senate candidate before last fall's election, I got an earful when I said I would never support a Green party candidate because of second amendment issues. I was told that they may love their country, but don't trust the government, and they were largely in favor of RKBA issues. This particular candidate was not in favor of concealed carry though.