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6/10/2006 12:09:10 PM EDT
Glenn,
What are the rules concerning carrying a gun in the car?
Where must gun be?
unlaoded I am pretty sure but what does that mean?
Can there be a loaded mag in the gun provided there is and empty chamber?

Are the rules different for a long gun?
6/10/2006 1:27:13 PM EDT
[#1]
Gun must be EMPTY, uloaded,  no clip inside, cased and Im pretty sure out of your reach.
6/10/2006 1:34:02 PM EDT
[#2]

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Can there be a loaded mag in the gun provided there is and empty chamber?



That's a Class A misdemeanor for CCW.
6/10/2006 1:53:48 PM EDT
[#3]
Covered in this thread.

Here's the legally correct gist:


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If it's in a case, and UNLOADED, it is not a CCW.



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At the top of the WI home town forum there is a sticky with all sorts of useful legal info.



Go. Read. Edumacate yourself.

Short answer: In a case that completely covers the pistol, unloaded (no loaded mag in the gun, no round in the chamber), is just fine.  Anecdotally, there is no "not within one's reach" clause in WI law, nor do the loaded mags have to be in a separate area from the gun.

Nut Case Cops™ may disagree, but they would be wrong.



ETA: And in case you missed it above:


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At the top of the WI home town forum there is a sticky with all sorts of useful legal info.

6/10/2006 2:15:50 PM EDT
[#4]
The nut case cop might be wrong,yes. But he gonna hassle you, and give you a ticket anyways, why argue & have to fight it in court. Just do it the right way. Keep loaded clips in a different place. and out of your reach.  avoid rookie nut case cop headaches.
6/10/2006 6:33:38 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
The nut case cop might be wrong,yes. But he gonna hassle you, and give you a ticket anyways, why argue & have to fight it in court. Just do it the right way. Keep loaded clips in a different place. and out of your reach.  avoid rookie nut case cop headaches.



[sarcasm]  Oh yes, I agree.  Let's all forgo our Constitutional rights so that we don't inconvenience a cop who doesn't know or doesn't care about the law.  [/sarcasm]
6/10/2006 9:31:58 PM EDT
[#6]
From the legal FAQ at the top of the forum

Firearms in vehicles:

In this section, unloaded = "Having no shell or cartridge in the chamber of a firearm or in the magazine attached to a firearm." Encased = "enclosed in a case that is expressly made for the purpose of containing a firearm and that is completely zipped, snapped, buckled, tied or otherwise fastened with no part of the firearm exposed." Statute 167.31

Cars, trucks, motorcycles, ATV, snowmobiles:
Firearms cannot be placed in or on a vehicle unless the firearms are unloaded and encased.

However, it is legal to "lean an unloaded firearm against a vehicle". Statute 167.31(4)(d).
Technically you can lean an unloaded gun against a vehicle, but you're violating the law if you put the unloaded gun on top of a vehicle, like on the hood or trunk. The DNR aggressively enforces this.

Exceptions to the "unloaded & encased" law:
Law enforcement officers, military personnel on active duty, landowners & their family and employees on farm tractors inside CWD eradication zones, and disabled hunters with special permits meeting all the requirements.
Technically, a loaded magazine in the same case (but not attached to the gun) as the firearm is OK. Also technically, if the weapon is in the passenger compartment, even unloaded/encased, an argument could be made for a CCW violation. The firearm is still classified as a weapon even though it's unloaded. Complying with the unloaded/encased law does NOT exempt you from the CCW law, even in a vehicle. Yes, this is stupid. I've never heard of anyone being cited/arrested for CCW when they comply with the unloaded/encased law--not even by the DNR, which is saying something!--but technically the CCW law could still be applied. Yes, the whole situation is stupid..

Hope this helps.
6/16/2006 4:26:21 PM EDT
[#7]
Thanks Glenn and everyone else.
Sounds like I just keep doing what I've been doing.