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Posted: 8/16/2003 6:12:59 AM EDT
FYI- got this forwarded to me thought I'd share it.


From: "Sen.Zien"
>To: "Sen.Zien"
>Subject: Concealed Carry to be heard Sept 9
>Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:44:06 -0500
>
>August 14, 2003
>
>For more information call: Senator Dave Zien, (608) 266-7511
> Rep. Scott Gunderson (608) 266-3363
> Rep. Scott Suder (608) 267-0280
>
>
>Personal Protection Bill to be heard
>Concealed Weapons Hearing set for Sept. 9 in Madison
>
>Madison... Wisconsin citizens will have an opportunity to express their
>beliefs and to learn about a proposal, authored by Senator Dave Zien (R-Eau
>Claire), Representative Scott Gunderson (R-Waterford) and cosponsored by 48
>other state legislators, to allow trained, law-abiding citizens to protect
>themselves and their families with a concealed weapon. Wisconsin would join
>44 other states in allowing citizens the right to self-defense if the
>legislature passes Senate Bill 214 or Assembly Bill 444.
>
>Zien is Chairman of the Senate Committee on Judiciary, Corrections and
>Privacy, who will hold a public hearing in conjunction with the Assembly
>Committee on Criminal Justice chaired by Representative Scott Suder
>(R-Abbotsford), who is also a cosponsor of the bill. The hearing is open to
>the public and is set for Tuesday, September 9 at 10:00 am in room 411 South
>of the State Capitol Building in Madison.
>
>"We encourage every citizen to attend the hearing to voice his or her
>opinion on this life and death issue," said Zien. "Hundreds of citizens
>rallied at the capitol last session in support of the Personal Protection
>Act, and we know the fire is still burning with these loyal defenders of
>freedom."
>
> Chairmen Zien and Suder say the public hearing will allow citizens
>to express their views, and will also allow the committee members and
>citizens to learn all the facts of the legislation. "It is important that
>the facts are clear to everyone so legislators can make an informed
>decision," said Suder.
>
>Legislative action on SB214 and AB444 is essential in light of a recent
>Wisconsin Supreme Court ruling. On July 15 the Wisconsin Supreme Court
>ruled 6-1 in the case State v. Munir A. Hamden, in which it stated that the
>Legislature should consider a permitting system for individuals to carry a
>concealed weapon.
>
> Writing the opinion of behalf of the 6-1 majority, Justice David
>Prosser stated, "We urge the legislature to thoughtfully examine Wis. State.
>§ 941.23 in the wake of the (Right to Keep and Bear Arms) amendment and to
>consider the possibility of a permit system for persons who have a good
>reason to carry a concealed weapon."
>
> "Basically, the Supreme Court has stated that the Legislature should
>come up with a permitting system for individuals to carry a concealed
>weapon," said Gunderson. "As most people know, this is an issue that
>Senator Zien and I have been working on for quite a while, and we feel the
>time has come for the Legislature to pass the Personal Protection Act,
>especially in light of the Supreme Court's decision in the Hamdan case."
>
>The Personal Protection Act was redrafted after the Hamden case to
>incorporate the Supreme Court decision. The Court ruled that individuals do
>not need to obtain a license to carry concealed weapons in their own
>dwelling or place of business, or on land owned, leased or lawfully
>inhabited.
>
> The Wisconsin concealed carry permit system would be similar to
>that in 34 other states, including neighboring Minnesota which just
>instituted a shall-issue permit system this year. The State of Vermont has
>always guaranteed its citizens the right to self-defense without a permit,
>while another 9 states allow some form of concealed carry with a permit.
Link Posted: 8/17/2003 6:52:54 AM EDT
i will be ther..would anyone like to join me? meet up before the time and talk about it after mabey? let me know.
thanks
ray
Link Posted: 8/17/2003 9:41:43 AM EDT
I'll be there. Early lunch after? I'm up for gettnig together either pre or post.

Anthony, are you gonna make it? Corey?
Link Posted: 8/17/2003 12:35:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2003 12:37:08 PM EDT by Muad_Dib]
My wife and I will DEFINITELY be there!

I haven't talked with Corey about it yet because I just assumed he (and maybe his wife) would be there also. I'll try to get him to confirm later today.

Anybody email Dolomite yet? What about the rest of the WI contact list?

Anthony

Link Posted: 8/17/2003 6:48:14 PM EDT
Muad_Dib
thanks for reminding me about the wi email list i all most forgot about it
Link Posted: 8/18/2003 7:09:50 AM EDT
tommytrauma im'd me and I let him know that unfortunately i won't be able to get that day off.

i'll try and reschedule some stuff, but at this point it's safe to say i'm out. hopefully, there'll be some more hearings closer to milwaukee soon.

have fun - glad to see that the board will be heavily represented there!
Link Posted: 8/18/2003 11:21:41 AM EDT
Well I just got the word from the boss lady and she can't give me off because of vacations so I can't make this. With any luck they will have something in the milwaukee/ racine area that i will be able to get to.
Link Posted: 8/18/2003 3:14:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By photoman:
Well I just got the word from the boss lady and she can't give me off because of vacations so I can't make this. With any luck they will have something in the milwaukee/ racine area that i will be able to get to.


I spoke with some young lad in Senator Zien's office who led me to believe that this would be the only public hearing, due to time constraints and such.
Link Posted: 8/19/2003 4:29:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tommytrauma:

Originally Posted By photoman:
Well I just got the word from the boss lady and she can't give me off because of vacations so I can't make this. With any luck they will have something in the milwaukee/ racine area that i will be able to get to.


I spoke with some young lad in Senator Zien's office who led me to believe that this would be the only public hearing, due to time constraints and such.



Go freaking figure
Link Posted: 8/19/2003 3:34:13 PM EDT
ok so far it will be
tommytrauma
and me.....anyone eles?
Link Posted: 8/19/2003 5:27:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tattoo:
ok so far it will be
tommytrauma
and me.....anyone eles?


Via IM, Maud and Wife should be there, and Corey will be barring work contingincies. Let's pick a meeting place and time. 9:15 at the McD's on the square? Anyone have a better suggestion than McD's? The closest starbucks I know of is at the far end of State Street. Ideas?
Link Posted: 8/19/2003 9:48:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tommytrauma:

Originally Posted By tattoo:
ok so far it will be
tommytrauma
and me.....anyone eles?


Via IM, Maud and Wife should be there, and Corey will be barring work contingincies. Let's pick a meeting place and time. 9:15 at the McD's on the square? Anyone have a better suggestion than McD's? The closest starbucks I know of is at the far end of State Street. Ideas?


any were is fine with me. as little walking as can be is also great
Link Posted: 8/20/2003 4:51:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tommytrauma:
Via IM, Maud and Wife should be there, and Corey will be barring work contingincies. Let's pick a meeting place and time. 9:15 at the McD's on the square? Anyone have a better suggestion than McD's? The closest starbucks I know of is at the far end of State Street. Ideas?



We'll probably be walking from campus, so it doesn't matter to us where we meet. Mc-Hurl is okay with me.
Link Posted: 8/20/2003 7:07:59 AM EDT
I'll see if I can make a "Dr appointment" and get out of work. I would be coming from Fond du Lac If I can make it, I will meet you at McD's at 9:15 on the square.

Link Posted: 8/20/2003 10:25:26 AM EDT
McD's at 9:15 it is, then.
Link Posted: 8/20/2003 7:05:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tommytrauma:
McD's at 9:15 it is, then.


works for me...now would a gun t-shirt be good or nice black jeans and a sport coat with tie?
Link Posted: 8/21/2003 2:32:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tattoo:

Originally Posted By tommytrauma:
McD's at 9:15 it is, then.


works for me...now would a gun t-shirt be good or nice black jeans and a sport coat with tie?


I figure business casual. Don't want to marginalize my position by feeding into any sterotypes.
Link Posted: 8/21/2003 6:04:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/21/2003 6:05:51 AM EDT by Muad_Dib]

Originally Posted By tommytrauma:

Originally Posted By tattoo:

Originally Posted By tommytrauma:
McD's at 9:15 it is, then.


works for me...now would a gun t-shirt be good or nice black jeans and a sport coat with tie?


I figure business casual. Don't want to marginalize my position by feeding into any sterotypes.



Actually I planned on not bathing or shaving for about a week before hand. Then I think I'll wear some soiled BDU's with white sneakers. Maybe a "Kill'em All" T-shirt.

Seriously though, I'll be wearing slacks, shirt & tie, and my "I'm The NRA And I Vote!" button if I can find it. My wife will be similarly dressed. Oh yeah, and we'll both bathe.

BTW, if you guys know of any women or elderly people that would like to go, please offer them a ride. We need all the non-standard support that we can get.
Link Posted: 8/21/2003 7:15:41 PM EDT
Muad_Dib
i was thinking a peace thro supeiour firepower button as a tie tack
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