Posted: 11/21/2009 11:23:33 AM EDT
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My buddy just texted me that he is rather alarmed at the ethnic background that has a sizeable presence at the gun show.
As if this is the preparing for the American Soil jihad. He is rather irritated that the greedy dealers do not mind selling firearms to this particular background. Call me racist, but I could careless. A persons feeling will change immediatly when they try to kill you. Should have changed 100% after 9-11 Anyone confirm or deny this that is there or went to it? |
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Damn that is an awesome strategy! Sometimes you have to hand it to our enemy––they know how to use our system against us.
Should they do something, the gut reaction will be more gun control and show crackdowns, which will only put us at greater risk of attack in the future. And if the gun community tries to proactively do something, they get sued for profiling. Thanks to relaxed immigration policies these folks are just a legal as anyone else. ETA: Or maybe they are just preparing for the anti-Muslim backlash DHS is warning about? |
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My only solution would be for the gun dealers to use a bit more discreation and their conscience instead of their eyes with dollar signs.
If you feel wierd about selling to a particular profiled background, dont sell regardless of money coming in. That is probably asking to much of gun dealers though. Greed is their game 
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I agree but it's a matter of time before someone is "profiled."
The best solution would be to review visas and immigration coming from certain countries. At some point Americans have to recognize that the civil rights of a handful of recent immigrants come after the security of the country. |
| "the 5.45mm bullet incorporates an air pocket / crush compartment immediately behind the solid tip in order to induce yaw and tumbling quickly via hydrostatic pressure once a human body is struck, thereby improving terminal ballistics and wounding performance in living soft tissue." This brings up the after the show discussion we were having over the phone...:) So I guess we were right in assuming this.. |
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I know of several dealers that refused those folks transactions. I also saw exactly who did business with them. Should we know who's doing those deals so we can avoid them? It was 2A Arms. They sold that dirka 4 shotguns and their reason was "he passed the background check." I really hope that guy doesn't do something terrible. |
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So anybody feel this way about the Tanner shows ? Or just these that used to be the Crossroad of the West ones. The fact that the "east side" show is so close to Montebello or Aurora make ONE think that Show is different ? But one time I did see some folks buying Romo kits that had been built, that I thought were going straight to Mexico...
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Ive never felt that way about any of the gunshows around here... I walked in the door, stopped at the booth right in there, and on either side of me were guys talking alalalalalala So I walk over to another booth, and these hispanic gangbanger types come up next to me and start checking out the brass knuckle paperweights Did manage to sell everything I brought, though... |
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No win situation for a dealer regardless of their standpoint. I do agree though that a dealer has a certain moral obligation to take reasonable steps that a firearm is sold to responsible CITIZENS OF THE US.
One particular dealer I know of refuses to sell to holders of "Green Cards". They will sell only to sworn US citizens. I know it is not a perfect answer but I feel it shows some integrity on behalf of the dealer. The really shitty part is as a society we are PC'd to death. Basicallly we are at war with Islam. And yet some dealers are so dollar hungry they will sell to whomever without regard. Imagine if during WWII a firearm was sold to a Nisei or a German person. They would have been run out of town and strung up. Not so these days. If you were to refuse to sell to a person of Middle East roots then all of a sudden the dealer is the bad guy. He would get sued and the raghead would get a payday. Like I said-No win either way. |
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Quoted: No win situation for a dealer regardless of their standpoint. I do agree though that a dealer has a certain moral obligation to take reasonable steps that a firearm is sold to responsible CITIZENS OF THE US. One particular dealer I know of refuses to sell to holders of "Green Cards". They will sell only to sworn US citizens. I know it is not a perfect answer but I feel it shows some integrity on behalf of the dealer. The really shitty part is as a society we are PC'd to death. Basicallly we are at war with Islam. And yet some dealers are so dollar hungry they will sell to whomever without regard. Imagine if during WWII a firearm was sold to a Nisei or a German person. They would have been run out of town and strung up. Not so these days. If you were to refuse to sell to a person of Middle East roots then all of a sudden the dealer is the bad guy. He would get sued and the raghead would get a payday. Like I said-No win either way. Private industry reserves the right to not sell their product/service to whomever they feel. |
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Private industry reserves the right to not sell their product/service to whomever they feel. Yes and they also have the right to endure the consequences after the fact. Remember the tale of the five Imans (sp?) on American Airlines? That didn't end so well for them... It's a messed up country. I would say "system" but that's not the problem it's the dipshits running the system. |
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Discretion, not Discrimination.
I bought my first firearm when I had a green card (when I turned 18). Back at the days, even international student who is CO resident can purchase after 4473. HOwever, that changed around 1999. So, only Premanant Resident and Citizen can legally purchase. I would rather sell it to Premanant Resident who has no criminal record over Citizen who look/seems shady. |
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Couple of you are walking a fine line.
I don't want to lock the thread, nor hand out time outs. You know the saying "If you have to ask" Please don't push the issue. 
I am not the only mod that roams the CO HTF hallways. ETA: how in the heck did I miss this thread last weekend? 
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Did your racist friends ever think that maybe the "ethnics" were just arming themselves for defense against the "crazy crackers" that want to kill them? This shit goes both ways. Given the hysteria created by DHS lately, this doesn't surprise me. But the key fact is that, to my knowledge, there has never been a post-terror violent hate crime against that certain religion/race. And when it comes to non-violent crime, Synagogues are more often vandalized than Mosques. If anyone wants perspective, compare the overall population in the US to the amount of violent crime/terror acts. |
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Dave, Probably 'cuz you were at a gun show, or shooting, or hunting or having fun and ignoring your OBLIGATIONS to protect us from ourselves. Seriously, I thought the hometown forums were for this kind of discussion. So I have to ask, Why?I will allow quite a bit of latitude in the HTF, but it still has to remain in the COC. Some just get wrapped up in the moment and go to far, others like to see how far they can push the envelope. We will not tolerate racism in any form. |
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Since when did a religion become a race? Christainity is attacked on all fronts,but once one starts attacking Islam it become racist. The double standard PC crap needs to be flushed down the MF toilet... I agree that this happens a lot, racism is used to cover a lot of things, that it shouldn't. I will not allow attacks on Christianity or any other religion in this forum. Read the COC for goodness sake, it pretty well covers what is unacceptable. I am trying to keep it simple for everyone here without locking and trashing the thread. 
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