Posted: 11/13/2013 9:54:54 PM EDT
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Anyone doing or getting ready to do a Scratch or 80% lower Builds?
I havent Ordered any lowers Yet. i would like to Build a 80% billet one but the local cnc shops i have talked to FREAK out when i say what it is LOL.. and them Polymer Ones look Easy too do. in Seattle but will Travel if not can someone point me to a Shop or someone that can help me out on the milling? thanks for yalls time 
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| Normally I wouldn't bother saying anything as most people have different opinions on the legality of making registered components in someone else's shop. But for what it's worth, I've heard it said that ATF IS starting to take a dim view on making receivers in shops other than the one owned by the receiver owner. Build party's to complete lowers at Joes machine shop could turn Joe into an un lisenced manufacturer and the proceeds become contraband. Just a thought. I will take this opportunity to say I won't rent out my shop for those reasons. |
Are you talking about the KT raid a decade ago? The ATF and dim views really do not mean anything unless they come after you; seize all your equipment and computers and anything else they find. Tie you up in courts for years bleeding you of money trying to get your property back until you just give up or run out of money.  
That being said it is legal to make an AR in a house. It is legal to make an AR with a mouse. It is legal to make an AR on a train. It is legal to make an AR in a tree. Or in a car! ATF let me be! It is legal to make an AR on a boat. It is legal to make an AR with a goat. And I do not think anyone here is talking about registered components not that that matters much anyway other than marking requirements. 
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Anyone doing or getting ready to do a Scratch or 80% lower Builds? I havent Ordered any lowers Yet. i would like to Build a 80% billet one but the local cnc shops i have talked to FREAK out when i say what it is LOL.. and them Polymer Ones look Easy too do. in Seattle but will Travel if not can someone point me to a Shop or someone that can help me out on the milling? thanks for yalls time
No Tools (yet) IMO (your mileage may vary) 
I look at doing an 80% build from a cost standpoint. AK's from a flat covered their tool cost fairly quick depending on what you purchased/made. From what I have seen due to the cost of an 80% AR it would take building a number of them to make the investment cost of the tools, jigs and bits worth it. Don't get me wrong, If you have skills and most of the tools needed to do the job and all your looking at is getting the jig, go for it. But if you need more then that and your only building 1 or 2 AR's from the ground up, I would recommend just getting a production lower. |
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looks like they're starting to crack down on this kind of activity. http://aresarmor.com/store/NewsArticle/01November2013 They only have a problem with Ares because they are selling the 80% lowers then letting their customers machine them in-house. Build parties that aren't affiliated with the "lower" manufacturer/seller are still good to go, as long as the receiver owner is "building" it themselves. |
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Quoted: They only have a problem with Ares because they are selling the 80% lowers then letting their customers machine them in-house. Build parties that aren't affiliated with the "lower" manufacturer/seller are still good to go, as long as the receiver owner is "building" it themselves. Quoted: Quoted: looks like they're starting to crack down on this kind of activity. http://aresarmor.com/store/NewsArticle/01November2013 They only have a problem with Ares because they are selling the 80% lowers then letting their customers machine them in-house. Build parties that aren't affiliated with the "lower" manufacturer/seller are still good to go, as long as the receiver owner is "building" it themselves. |
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My understanding is that by "building it themselves", pressing the "start" button on the CNC machine is OK. Quoted:
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looks like they're starting to crack down on this kind of activity. http://aresarmor.com/store/NewsArticle/01November2013 They only have a problem with Ares because they are selling the 80% lowers then letting their customers machine them in-house. Build parties that aren't affiliated with the "lower" manufacturer/seller are still good to go, as long as the receiver owner is "building" it themselves. There is a letter from ATF floating around on the net that says different and that it is a no no. |
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Quoted: There is a letter from ATF floating around on the net that says different and that it is a no no. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: looks like they're starting to crack down on this kind of activity. http://aresarmor.com/store/NewsArticle/01November2013 They only have a problem with Ares because they are selling the 80% lowers then letting their customers machine them in-house. Build parties that aren't affiliated with the "lower" manufacturer/seller are still good to go, as long as the receiver owner is "building" it themselves. There is a letter from ATF floating around on the net that says different and that it is a no no. |
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There is a letter from ATF floating around on the net that says different and that it is a no no. Do you have a link for this? I have only seen letters threatening the equipment owners saying they "might" be operating without a license. There is no law preventing someone from making a firearm even on rented equipment and I am not aware of anyone convicted for anything like this. There have been a few harassed by the ATF.
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Are you talking about the KT raid a decade ago? The ATF and dim views really do not mean anything unless they come after you; seize all your equipment and computers and anything else they find. Tie you up in courts for years bleeding you of money trying to get your property back until you just give up or run out of money.
That being said it is legal to make an AR in a house. It is legal to make an AR with a mouse. It is legal to make an AR on a train. It is legal to make an AR in a tree. Or in a car! ATF let me be! It is legal to make an AR on a boat. It is legal to make an AR with a goat. And I do not think anyone here is talking about registered components not that that matters much anyway other than marking requirements. http://rs6.pbsrc.com/albums/y220/wombatslayer/IMG_6001_zps84320b9d.jpg~320x480  Ah man that got me laughin', I'm going to remember that little limerick, so I can scratch it into the wall if I ever do a stint in the federal pokey!
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