If the Machinists and Boeing can't agree on a 10-year no-strike deal that would land the second production line in Everett, the company is threatening to put it in Charleston, S.C.

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This wont end well.

I have my own opinions about the unions at Boeing, but I'll keep those to myself.

oh, and IBTL

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There will be no new airplane programs in Washington the cost of doing business here is too high.

Boeing picks Charleston for new 787 line

Boeing will build a second 787 final assembly plant in Charleston, the company confirmed.



Seattle Times business staff

Boeing's board has voted unanimously to build a second 787 final assembly plant in Charleston.

"We're taking prudent steps to protect the interests of our customers as we introduce the 787-9 and ramp up overall production to 10 twin-aisle 787 jets per month," said Jim Albaugh, president and CEO of Boeing Commercial Airplanes, in a prepared statement.

South Carolina offered the company $170 million in upfront grants for startup costs, plus multiple tax breaks that would be worth tens of millions of dollars more.

The legislation assumes the company will invest $750 million and create 3,800 new jobs in South Carolina within seven years — if it doesn't create that many jobs, it doesn't get any of the money.

Boeing's decision could vastly increase the footprint it established in Charleston through primary partners on the 787 program.

At Boeing Charleston, the plant where Boeing bought out co-owner Vought this summer for $1 billion, about 900 workers fabricate the 787's single-piece rear-fuselage barrels out of composite plastic.

At the adjacent Global plant, owned 50-50 by Boeing and Alenia, 1,600 workers assemble the Dreamliner's central fuselage.

Albaugh said that "while we welcome the development of this expanded capability at Boeing Charleston, the Puget Sound region is the headquarters of Boeing Commercial Airplanes. Everett will continue to design and produce airplanes, including the 787, and there is tremendous opportunity for our current and future products here. We remain committed to Puget Sound."

Boeing said that until the second 787 assembly line is operational in North Charleston, the company plans "transitional surge capability" in Everett to ensure the successful introduction of the 787-9, the first derivative model of the 787.

"When the second line in Charleston is up and operating, the surge capability in Everett will be phased out," Boeing said without giving specifics.

Boeing's decision to add a 787 line in South Carolina will make it that much harder for Washington to pull itself out of its jobs slump.

High-paying jobs such as those at Boeing support other jobs throughout the local economy — a Boeing worker buys a new fridge, the fridge salesman buys a sandwich for lunch, the sandwich-maker renews her gym membership, and so on. The more people work in well-paying jobs, the more jobs are created further down the economic food chain.

Local economist Dick Conway, who has studied Boeing's impact on the regional economy for decades, estimates that each Boeing job generates spending that supports 1.7 other local jobs — one of the highest "multipliers" of any private-sector employer. That means every job that Boeing creates in South Carolina represents nearly three jobs that won't be created in Washington.

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Less Hookers on Hwy 99 I guess

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ETA: And that is what happens will the union sheep follow their union "shepherds" right off the cliff.

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Cheap livin' in Charleston.  Expect some of those sheep to leave the flock for greener pastures.

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In on one.



I love the union threads.

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Nice place to live too. I've been to both Charleston and Myrtle Beach, SC on a few occasions.

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I love Charleston, Used to live there, Hippy and I went there for our honeymoon.  Almost makes me wish I worked for Boeing so I could request a transfer.

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Maybe now they'll all be able to attend the next LCR.

When the second line in Charleston is up and operating, the surge capability in Everett will be phased out

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Boeing has been saying all along it's not just the cost of labor, but the frequent strikes and poor productivity was a huge downfall for WA factory production

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And we're off.



(nicely done)

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Double tap...

... and I own page two bitches.  

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What we need now is a good ole .45 vs 9mm or perhaps some militia vs natl guard and the forum will be complete.  Hell, Ed Sr. has been visiting lately, lets make sure we put out the GOOD china!

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Get both.



Militia is protection from the state&fed-owned NG.



Argument settled. What else is there to debate?

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Page one was getting a little booring, as of today we have:

1. Banned member ranting
2. Unions vs Boeing
3. Cop Bashing

What we need now is a good ole .45 vs 9mm or perhaps some militia vs natl guard and the forum will be complete.  Hell, Ed Sr. has been visiting lately, lets make sure we put out the GOOD china!

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as of today we have:

1. Banned member ranting
2. Unions vs Boeing
3. Cop Bashing

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It will take a matter of time to get a working facilty down there, It may be cheaper labor for Boeing, but for the people down there its Cheaper to live. Quality of living could be the same but with just lower numbers. By how much the difference is, I do not know. I do know that very few mechanics and Engineers are willing to move as if right now. However, in a matter of a few years or so that may change, as anything can and will change. I do bieleve that the IAM will never give away their "Strike option", as it is the only option that they have to use. We'll see how this plays out. I am still working 60-70 hour weeks, and over all production is still going on, so not everything is in bad shape, but as previously stated; 'We'll see'.

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They won't have to give away the "strike option" the stupid fucking union is going to let everything go away, just so they can have the option to try and strong arm free market capitalism every few years. Fuck 'em, get rid of the Unions and let the free market play out.

Statement of District President Tom Wroblewski in Response to Second 787 Line Announcement

October 28, 2009 - "Boeing has betrayed our loyalty once again, walking away from our discussions just like they walked away from Seattle eight years ago to move to Chicago.

We tried very hard to reach an extended agreement with Boeing. We listened closely to what executives said, and suggested ideas to meet their needs. We offered concrete, real-world solutions.

But I can tell you now, no matter what Boeing says or implies, the truth is this: We did offer Boeing a 10-year contract, and even offered to go longer than that. And when we did, they seemed stunned, and stopped talking.

It was obvious to me that Boeing wasn’t really interested in working with us. They didn't take our proposals seriously and they never offered any proposals of their own. Most of the time, they didn’t even take notes.

It's now clear that Boeing was only using our talks as a smoke screen, and as a bargaining chip to extort a bigger tax handout from South Carolina.

I haven't reported this before –– not to our members and certainly not to the media –– because Boeing had asked for confidential talks. My word means something, so I said nothing, even while the company was leaking half-truths to reporters.

When our team asked Boeing if 10 years was going to be enough for them, they didn't respond. And when I asked them to confirm that the extended contract would secure the second 787 line for Washington state, their reply was only: "Well, it would be helpful." But they would not commit to anything.

Still, we tried to get a deal, because I know that's what our members and our community wanted. To do that, we were willing to discuss any issue to get a deal that we could recommend to our members. We floated ideas on health care costs, wages, pensions and lump sums.

None of this mattered to Boeing. They didn't want solutions, but only a scapegoat.

Our seven-week strike last year is not the reason the 787 is already more than 120 weeks behind schedule.

Instead of investing in our shared future and a highly talented workforce in a region ideally suited for aerospace, Boeing has decided to double-down on its failed 787 strategy and place an ill-advised, billion-dollar bet on a strategy that’s a proven loser.”

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Page one was getting a little booring, as of today we have:

1. Banned member ranting
2. Unions vs Boeing
3. Cop Bashing

What we need now is a good ole .45 vs 9mm or perhaps some militia vs natl guard and the forum will be complete.  Hell, Ed Sr. has been visiting lately, lets make sure we put out the GOOD china!

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According to the union they did offer a 10 year contract.



Boeing knew they were going there a long time ago.



HHHHmmmmmmm, SC passes their incentive package, later that day the company breaks off talks with the union and the next day announces it was opening a line in SC.



Gee they wouldn't be using this as a bargaining tool to get money/savings from SC would it?? They've already shipped work for this plane all over the world and we see how well thats worked so I'm sure this will work just as well.



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