Posted: 10/20/2009 11:51:45 AM EDT
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Well, there are actually a couple things that I am looking for and thought that maybe the group might be able to point me in the right direction.
First, and of least immediacy, is someone that would be able/willing to do a survey of 40 acres for me. I have 40 acres, know about where the boundaries are, but there seems to be some difference of opinion as to exactly where they are (a difference of somewhere between 50 and 100'). Now, it's not like my neighbors are encroaching, but I want to make sure that I don't encroach on them (eventually) and it would just plain be nice to know. Secondly, and more of an immediate need (as immediate as next spring would be) is someone that could carve out a driveway and maybe dig a foundation/basement (18 X 28) for me up at the property. Being the cheapskate that I am, I'd be looking for a trade deal or just plain free (maybe hunting use of property?). Saw a mule deer running up the road yesterday, but wasn't near the camera at the time, so no pics of him. But they are there. (I'm hoping to go late season archery this year) I am putting this here because it's been my observation that people seem to know people - you might not do it, but you know a guy... or something like that and we've all seen how much a community this place is. So, I figured this would be my first place to check. The work environment is like this (at least this last weekend it was): The road 
Looking down to the camp from the top 
The view from the top 
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Thatcher & Morrison Inc
1796 Main St Ste 105 Freeland, WA 98249 360-331-7393 They wont do it for free but they might cut you a deal. I worked for them and they are a great company. They are slow on work right now so I'm sure they can get it done in the time that you need. |
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Cascade Survey did mine. Luckily for me the previous owner paid for it. It's not cheap. But it is nice to know exactly where the property lines are.
http://www.cascadesurveying.com/ |
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What general area is it in? They always forget to tell the location 
It's much easier to find free labor if you take from the local pool.  Yup, I did forget that - It's in the Okanogan/Omak area Posted by Road-kill
POOL ??? WTF, now he want you to dig a pool also ?? Nope, no pool - gonna be a coupla hot tubs, tho 
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exactly where they are Gottum metal detector? If you're thinking of finding the corner stakes, my understanding is that it would be a very long search. There might be corner stakes, but it's doubtful - since this is wayyyy out in the boonies. It's a thought, but the land is so 'rough' that I fear I'd be looking for quite sometime. Altho, I might take the step-daughters detector out there next time just for laughs - who knows, I might get lucky. Quoted:
I can't do any of that, but I'd be more than happy to come hunting there  Well, if you can lift a shovel, swing a hammer, use a saw, or anything like that - or just have a strong back and a weak mind - I might be able to put you to work next summer for a weekend or two 
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They wont do it for free but they might cut you a deal. I worked for them and they are a great company. They are slow on work right now so I'm sure they can get it done in the time that you need. Thanks VR-15, I'll give them a call and see if we can work something out - they might be a bit far from where I am, tho (not sure where Freeland is - altho it sounds like it should be an ARFCom town) Quoted:
Id suggest Hunter121 on the excavation since its pseudo local to him. I'll shoot him an IM and see if he'd be up for it, too. Thanks Quoted:
Cascade Survey did mine. Luckily for me the previous owner paid for it. It's not cheap. But it is nice to know exactly where the property lines are. Thanks for the suggestion, Dober. I'm trying to get everything arranged for construction beginning next spring. Access, and foundation/basement holes are first on the list. Since the building site is not anywhere near the property lines, I'm ok in this instance without a survey, but peace of mind will eventually require one. Somewhere in all this I will need to come up with a well driller that has an idle rig that he wants to work - cheapskate that I am I don't want to pay the $14K for a 300' hole that the last estimate was - and then come up dry ... which is the problem with drilling wells. It's such a gamble it's hard for me to roll that dice. Thanks to everyone that responded, in the thread and those that responded via IM - I've got a few leads and will be checking them out! |
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I can't do any of that, but I'd be more than happy to come hunting there Well, if you can lift a shovel, swing a hammer, use a saw, or anything like that - or just have a strong back and a weak mind - I might be able to put you to work next summer for a weekend or two
If you can stand non-stop whining while doing manual labor, I am your guy!!!
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Quoted: If the property has changed hands at any time it had to be surveyed. The "stakes" will most likely be iron pipe or rebar with capIf you're thinking of finding the corner stakes, my understanding is that it would be a very long search.   The cap will have the surveyor's license number and maybe last name on it. You can get plat map from the records office. Look for lath, hubs, and or flagging near the corner. |
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If the property has changed hands at any time it had to be surveyed. The "stakes" will most likely be iron pipe or rebar with cap
If you're thinking of finding the corner stakes, my understanding is that it would be a very long search. http://www.berntsen.com/Portals/3/productimages/perm.jpghttp://www.landsurveyor.us/images/gallery/monuments/half_cap_1a.jpg The cap will have the surveyor's license number and maybe last name on it. You can get plat map from the records office. Look for lath, hubs, and or flagging near the corner. Well, it didn't have to be surveyed when I bought it  But, I know it was logged a while back (before my time) and I would think it would have been surveyed then. I know where the property line crosses the north end of the road that goes through it, and there is a stake and a post there (it's the north then of the section/range/township - one of those), so I'll have to look. I think the plate on the back of the post says it's something like 288', traveling east to the northeast corner... except that it's downhill at a slope of about 35 degrees or more at that point!
Looks like I'm going up in November and will take the detector with me to see if I can disturb all the wildlife in the woods trying to find the corners. Then I'll need a good GPS to get the accurate coordinates (mine is close to 8-10 years old, I think) Thanks for the picture, Tweak, that will indeed help me find what I am looking for (if it's there) BTW, what do you mean by lath and hubs? Flagging I am assuming you mean that pink, yellow, or blue (colored) tape they stick on trees to mark the line for logging? |
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Actually, I might know someone in Tonasket area would would plow you a new road for some horse trading, but I have no way to get ahold of him until I head back to the PRF Ranch around Thanksgiving. I don't have any horses to trade, but I might be able to work out some sort of deal with him if they're interested. Not to worry about getting in touch with them until Thanksgiving - I don't figure the need to plow a new road until next spring ... that and maybe running a blade over a couple spots on the road in after the snow has eroded more of it away to smooth it back out, would help. Thanks! |
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I can't do any of that, but I'd be more than happy to come hunting there Well, if you can lift a shovel, swing a hammer, use a saw, or anything like that - or just have a strong back and a weak mind - I might be able to put you to work next summer for a weekend or two
If you can stand non-stop whining while doing manual labor, I am your guy!!!
That's ok - I'll put you to work at the south end and everyone else can work up on the north end of the property ... be 1/4 mile away - shouldn't be a problem with non-stop whining then
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What kind of heating are you going with? In the cabin? is that a trick question? - do you SEE all that fuel out there?
But seriously, yes, it's only an 18X28 foot cabin - I am planning on using wood to heat and cook with - at least for a while. Or do you mean when I go up next month? for heat then, I'm using good old activity/exercise to stay warm. |
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Thanks for the picture, Tweak, that will indeed help me find what I am looking for (if it's there) Those stakes/caps are likely to be below grade by now. On your plat map, there will frequenlty be comments about magnetic nails in trees or measurements to multiple trees, etc.. that can beally help give it away. We found some of ours that way. |
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Since I am in a battle with a neighbor over land right now, you should use a surveyor that has an excellent reputation where the property is located. If this ever gets dragged into court for any reason, you want the court to not have any problems with the integrity of your surveyor.
Get a full survey, record it with the county auditor, and send a copy to each of your neighbors via return receipt requested mail, at least. Nothing makes you think about ammo like a thieving neighbor. 
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Quoted: lath and hubs? Flagging  Lath, usually 4' tall on prop cors, sometimes offset around the corner. The offset distance marked in a circle <ex. (10')> written at the top of the lath. If you're facing the written offset then the corner is that distance from the lath to you.  lot boards, or ginnies, usually 18" tall and painted white. Located over the actual corner with a description of the monument written on the board <ex. R/C for rebar & cap>.  Flagging, pink is the common property color but any other can be used. Marks prop lines, lath, lot boards, and cors. |
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This thread needs more of the mountain side dug out for a shooting range.......  Well, that's part of the plan for one of the plots. Granted, it may be less than 100 yard range, but it's only about 8 miles from another ARFcommers place (as the crow flies )
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if a survey was ever done and recorded, you can find it thru the county records......assuming OMAK has that County records are actually in the city of Okanogan, the county seat , but I'm not usually there during a weekday. I suppose I could try to go in there sometime ...
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lath and hubs? Flagging http://www.surveysupplyinc.com/images/category/40.JPG Lath, usually 4' tall on prop cors, sometimes offset around the corner. The offset distance marked in a circle <ex. (10')> written at the top of the lath. If you're facing the written offset then the corner is that distance from the lath to you. http://www.hammerdownwoodproducts.com/images/ginnies.jpg lot boards, or ginnies, usually 18" tall and painted white. Located over the actual corner with a description of the monument written on the board <ex. R/C for rebar & cap>. http://www.hayesinstrument.com/supply_FlaggingTX.jpg Flagging, pink is the common property color but any other can be used. Marks prop lines, lath, lot boards, and cors. Thanks for the info, Tweak, but honestly, this is waaaay out in the boonies .... if it's been surveyed ever, it probably was more than a decade ago. I doubt that I'll find any lath. I do hope tho, that if there was a survey years ago, they used metal stakes. Next time I'm up there, I'll get a picture of the one stake & monument that is there at the northern line, and the plate on it Quoted:
Since I am in a battle with a neighbor over land right now, you should use a surveyor that has an excellent reputation where the property is located. If this ever gets dragged into court for any reason, you want the court to not have any problems with the integrity of your surveyor. Get a full survey, record it with the county auditor, and send a copy to each of your neighbors via return receipt requested mail, at least. Nothing makes you think about ammo like a thieving neighbor. Well, I'm not in an argument with neighbors - in fact, there really are no 'neighbors' - it's all forested. I just don't want to encroach on their property should I decide to build close to the line. Quoted:
Those stakes/caps are likely to be below grade by now. On your plat map, there will frequenlty be comments about magnetic nails in trees or measurements to multiple trees, etc.. that can beally help give it away. We found some of ours that way. Well, my plat map simply says that it's the NE of the NE of S/R/T (no further description as far as I've been able to locate) So I don't think there are any of those nails in trees, etc... But I'll keep looking. Thanks for all the info guys! |