Posted: 8/29/2009 12:53:35 PM EDT
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3 year old girl abducted in Lewis Co, by man driving new silver pickup. OK plate 72B-3 |
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False Amber Alert
Takes a sick person to start a false Amber Alert. (Not aimed at you ODT) A few days after our neighbor Lindsey Baum went missing, some sick person started a text that said she was found in a garbage bag at teh baseball field. My wife forwarded that to me. I checked it out first, found out it was a hoax. Sick, Sick, Sick. Lindsey is still missing. Sure wish she would come home. School starts in a week. |
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Quoted: False Amber Alert Takes a sick person to start a false Amber Alert. (Not aimed at you ODT) A few days after our neighbor Lindsey Baum went missing, some sick person started a text that said she was found in a garbage bag at teh baseball field. My wife forwarded that to me. I checked it out first, found out it was a hoax. Sick, Sick, Sick. Lindsey is still missing. Sure wish she would come home. School starts in a week. Thanks Andy. I went looking for authenticity after seeing the replies here, but never found a decent source. It came via text to me, from a reliable friend of 1GR & Is. I had no reason to doubt it, assuming he must have signed up for LCRs new reverse 911 system. (even though I thought I had heard the SMS text portion of the system wasn't live yet) My apologies for the false alarm. |
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It's my personal policy to ignore Amber Alerts. and no, that's not a joke. How many kids you got? None anymore. The government sponsored "narc on your neighbor" program wasn't very helpful. Nah. The system didn't fail me. I just think domestic shit should stay domestic. I'm sure you and I can agree there is a large amount of idiots in the country. Personally, I don't want the government enlisting those idiots to nanny each other, especially when the idiots think they're doing a good thing, and as a result will rationalize all kinds of invasive and otherwise questionable behavior. Government intervention is still reactionary at best. Meaning the kid has already been kidnapped. So they're not really preventing anything. IMO, the benefits aren't worth the cost. FTR, I feel the same way about schools reporting child abuse, etc. Having seen more than a couple cases of genuine abuse, I don't feel it's something the government should be involved in. Domestic shit should stay domestic. I get that that's the way the system is, and it's not likely to change, I just don't think that the way it is currently, is right.
I'm guessin' that might be something we'll have to agree to disagree on, so I tried to word that as delicately as possible. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ![]() It's my personal policy to ignore Amber Alerts. and no, that's not a joke. How many kids you got? None anymore. The government sponsored "narc on your neighbor" program wasn't very helpful. Nah. The system didn't fail me. I just think domestic shit should stay domestic. I'm sure you and I can agree there is a large amount of idiots in the country. Personally, I don't want the government enlisting those idiots to nanny each other, especially when the idiots think they're doing a good thing, and as a result will rationalize all kinds of invasive and otherwise questionable behavior. Government intervention is still reactionary at best. Meaning the kid has already been kidnapped. So they're not really preventing anything. IMO, the benefits aren't worth the cost. FTR, I feel the same way about schools reporting child abuse, etc. Having seen more than a couple cases of genuine abuse, I don't feel it's something the government should be involved in. Domestic shit should stay domestic. I get that that's the way the system is, and it's not likely to change, I just don't think that the way it is currently, is right. ![]() I'm guessin' that might be something we'll have to agree to disagree on, so I tried to word that as delicately as possible. Not so much. Your points are very valid, and I happen to agree with them to the core. You're just more publicly honest than I choose to be on such subjects. (If I've ever learned anything, it's that, "The less I say, the easier life gets.") My OP, (however in error), was posted for others in a society as it exists, in spite of its' many miserable faults. Like you, I also understand that we're all here stuck with each other here, and doing our best to work with all the crap we deal out to each other. So "Amber Alerts" are what society considers as sane, today. So be it. It's mild in comparison to many other levels of bullshit we endure from .gov daily IMO. From wiki, FWIW Retrieval rateAccording to the U.S. Department of Justice, of the children abducted by strangers and murdered, 75% are killed within the first three hours. Amber Alerts are designed to inform the general public quickly when a child has been kidnapped and is in danger so that "the public [would be] additional eyes and ears of law enforcement."[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMBER_Alert#cite_note-irsay-8][9][/url] As of August 2002, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children reported that 17 children had been successfully recovered after an Amber alert was issued, including one case in which the abductor released the child after hearing the alert.[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMBER_Alert#cite_note-irsay-8][9][/url] By September 2002, Amber alerts were used by all or part of 26 states and had helped to recover 27 children.[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMBER_Alert#cite_note-cnnseptember2002-13][14][/url] [edit] Controversy about success rateSome outside scholars examining the system in depth disagree with the "official" results.[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMBER_Alert#cite_note-bostonglobe080720-24][25][/url] A team led by University of Nevada criminologist Timothy Griffin looked at hundreds of abduction cases between 2003 and 2006 and found that Amber Alerts actually played little apparent role in the eventual return of abducted children. Furthermore, AMBER Alerts tended to be "successful" in relatively mundane abductions, such as when the child was taken by a noncustodial parent or other family member. There was little evidence that Amber Alerts routinely "saved lives", although a crucial research constraint was the impossibility of knowing with certainty what "would have" happened if no Alert was issued in a particular case. Griffin and co-author Monica Miller articulated the limits to AMBER Alert in a subsequent research article. They pointed out that AMBER Alerts are inherently constrained, because to be successful in the most menacing cases there needs to be a rapid synchronization of several felicitous events (rapid discovery that the child is missing and subsequent Alert, the fortuitous discovery of the child or abductor by a citizen, and so forth). Furthermore, there is a contradiction between the need for rapid recovery and the prerogative to maintain the strict issuance criteria to reduce the number of frivolous Alerts, creating a dilemma for law enforcement officials and public backlash when Alerts are not issued in cases ending as tragedies. Finally, the implied causal model of AMBER Alert (rapid recovery can save lives) is in a sense the opposite of reality: In the worst abduction scenarios, the intentions of the perpetrator usually guarantees that anything public officials do will be "too slow." Because the system is publicly praised for saving lives despite these limitations, Griffin and Miller argue that AMBER Alert acts as "crime control theater" in that it "creates the appearance but not the fact of crime control". AMBER Alert is thus a socially constructed 'solution' to the rare but intractable crime of child-abduction murder. Griffin and Miller have subsequently applied the concept to other emotional but ineffective legislation such as Safe Haven Laws and Polygamy raids, and continue their work in developing the concept of "crime control theater" and on the AMBER Alert system. |
