Posted: 4/11/2009 12:14:38 PM EDT
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Haha, alot of people are that way... These are meant for emergency use, and if you are really in a situation where you need to give/get one, you wont even be thinking twice.
Since you are a Paramedic... You, and I both know that If anyone here is in a situation where they would need to do a stick... A couple of 1000 bags of NS is not all that they are going to need. Stick them till they bleed ringers only lasts so long. 
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And PT's crave electrolytes |
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<contents of WTS post deleted>-Phil_in_Seattle TonitrusEN The Newb Abides... Team Member Joined: Jan 2008 WA, USA Posts: 238 Feedback: 0-0-0 Posted: Today 12:59:40 PM PDT IBPiS. Those who hammer their guns into plows will get fucked by those who do not. User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote Report spankybear Furry Hunter® Team Member Joined: Dec 2006 WA, USA Posts: 4415 Feedback: 0-0-0 Posted: Today 1:01:26 PM PDT[Last Edit: Today 1:02:59 PM PDT by spankybear] Quoted: IBPiS. PiSiGTBPALTT Also IBTF I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way. Mark Twain Some people understand ARFCOM and its humor, you obviously are not one of those people. User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote Report Melton Member Joined: Feb 2008 WA, USA Posts: 80 Feedback: 0-0-0 Posted: Today 1:03:48 PM PDT Quoted: Quoted: IBPiS. PiSiGTBPALTT Also IBTF Educate me please... User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote Report DoberDude Stand up Philosopher Team Member Joined: Oct 2008 WA, USA Posts: 2508 Feedback: 0-0-0 Posted: Today 1:06:27 PM PDT Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: IBPiS. PiSiGTBPALTT Also IBTF Educate me please... Think about it! I have never failed to give a woman an organism. User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote Report R-32 Leader of Assholes™ Team Member Joined: May 2002 WA, USA Posts: 24188 Feedback: 0-0-0 Posted: Today 1:06:51 PM PDT I know this... I have given LOTS of IV's in my time... I have trained Combat Lifetakers, and Medics... None of you Mother F-ers are going to come near me with that stuff. Fuck-o-tag I want to get married!~1GUNRUNNER 15FEB09 User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote Edit Report spankybear Furry Hunter® Team Member Joined: Dec 2006 WA, USA Posts: 4417 Feedback: 0-0-0 Posted: Today 1:07:14 PM PDT Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: IBPiS. PiSiGTBPALTT Also IBTF Educate me please... Patients Young grasshopper, knowledge will be upon you in due time. I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way. Mark Twain Some people understand ARFCOM and its humor, you obviously are not one of those people. User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote Report shakul Pew Pew lazers Team Member Joined: Oct 2008 WA, USA Posts: 2183 Feedback: 0-0-0 Posted: Today 1:07:35 PM PDT Quoted: I know this... I have given LOTS of IV's in my time... I have trained Combat Lifetakers, and Medics... None of you Mother F-ers are going to come near me with that stuff. lol... WAHTF is awesome, even if it's fulla homo assholes. - NWRed 2/1/09 "And you don't have to get them drunk and or drug them to have sex with them. Wait...I meant..." Dravisar 3/26/09 User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote Report spankybear Furry Hunter® Team Member Joined: Dec 2006 WA, USA Posts: 4418 Feedback: 0-0-0 Posted: Today 1:08:47 PM PDT Quoted: I know this... I have given LOTS of IV's in my time... I have trained Combat Lifetakers, and Medics... None of you Mother F-ers are going to come near me with that stuff. Now if you where one of them IV fetish type you would be all over this I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way. Mark Twain Some people understand ARFCOM and its humor, you obviously are not one of those people. User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote Report Melton Member Joined: Feb 2008 WA, USA Posts: 81 Feedback: 0-0-0 Posted: Today 1:09:00 PM PDT Haha, alot of people are that way... These are meant for emergency use, and if you are really in a situation where you need to give/get one, you wont even be thinking twice. User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote |
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Trust me, I know. Its not always the best for the trauma patient to turn their blood into cool-aid, but it never hurts to have these supplies for stuff beside trauama, dehydration for one... So you are going to promote untrained people sticking eachother? There is more then one way to rehydrate a Pt.... Im not trying to dog on you man, Im just not one that thinks it is a good idea to let people run around with this stuff without the training. It is that whole Do no further harm thing ya know.
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Quoted: Why would you be getting this stuff in the first place if you don't know how to use it? Quoted: Trust me, I know. Its not always the best for the trauma patient to turn their blood into cool-aid, but it never hurts to have these supplies for stuff beside trauama, dehydration for one... So you are going to promote untrained people sticking eachother? There is more then one way to rehydrate a Pt.... Im not trying to dog on you man, Im just not one that thinks it is a good idea to let people run around with this stuff without the training. It is that whole Do no further harm thing ya know.  A trauma kit is one thing since trauma kits are meant to be used on yourself by the "Doc" (whatever classification he/she is trained, or so we hope). I for one like the idea since it's a pain in the ass having to buy bulk Solution, lines, catheters or pay 300 bucks for complete kits... but anyways Ima go back to my corner...  |
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Why would you be getting this stuff in the first place if you don't know how to use it? Quoted:
Trust me, I know. Its not always the best for the trauma patient to turn their blood into cool-aid, but it never hurts to have these supplies for stuff beside trauama, dehydration for one... So you are going to promote untrained people sticking eachother? There is more then one way to rehydrate a Pt.... Im not trying to dog on you man, Im just not one that thinks it is a good idea to let people run around with this stuff without the training. It is that whole Do no further harm thing ya know.
A trauma kit is one thing since trauma kits are meant to be used on yourself by the "Doc" (whatever classification he/she is trained, or so we hope). I for one like the idea since it's a pain in the ass having to buy bulk Solution, lines, catheters or pay 300 bucks for complete kits... but anyways Ima go back to my corner...
Because it has BRAWNDO...Not water, like from the toilet. |
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Why would you be getting this stuff in the first place if you don't know how to use it? Quoted:
Trust me, I know. Its not always the best for the trauma patient to turn their blood into cool-aid, but it never hurts to have these supplies for stuff beside trauama, dehydration for one... So you are going to promote untrained people sticking eachother? There is more then one way to rehydrate a Pt.... Im not trying to dog on you man, Im just not one that thinks it is a good idea to let people run around with this stuff without the training. It is that whole Do no further harm thing ya know.
A trauma kit is one thing since trauma kits are meant to be used on yourself by the "Doc" (whatever classification he/she is trained, or so we hope). I for one like the idea since it's a pain in the ass having to buy bulk Solution, lines, catheters or pay 300 bucks for complete kits... but anyways Ima go back to my corner...
He is NOT wrong... I even understand that he is not promoting this as anything more then a collectable for his own protection... I know what people that are just learning to do sticks do. The time to be learning is not when you need it NOW... Rehydration is a great example of how to use this stuff, but when you dehydrate your veins get harder to find, and the stick even harder. Rapid transport is the best, and If you have to, you can just stick the line right up the old cazoo to rehydrate your pt. As far as trauma, you need more then just IV's. Rapid transport, O2, bleeding control.... A lot of time more then one guy can handle by himself, let alone with a bunch of nerves/shakes, and jitters getting in the way. Dont get me wrong... I have NO problem with people getting access to this stuff. I just dont want someone that does not have the stick time going after me. 
Or worse yet, I dont want people getting some sorta false hope that they can save the world with a 1000 bag of saltwater. |
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When I bred dogs in the 1980's my vet would always supply me with Ringers Lactate and IV setups. Parvo Virus was rampant in AZ and lots of dogs were lost to dehydration from it. Thanks to my vet setting me up I never lost a pup to Parvo. I've seen some so called pros in the hospital that couldn't start an IV for shit. The average junkie doesn't seem to have a problem finding a spot. |
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Like I said...
Dont get me wrong, There are great uses for this stuff. Just know what you are doing first. You dont need to use IV bags just for IV use... You can use them as eye wash, you can use the needles as splinter removers ect... I dont even want to give the idea that the common man cant do a stick, I know people in hospitals that cant hit shit... I know guys that can hit all day long. You can mess people up with this stuff. Just understand that.
I gotta get to work, or I would play more.
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Thank you all for your input. I thank all of you for not ragging on me, for a second I thought thats what this whole thread was going to be. R-32, thank you for your input, and you are right, just as right as everyone else too. IV's are an ALS treatment for a reason, but as stated, they can be used for all different uses. IV's are a very contriversial subject in the use of trauma, pros consist of rehydration, keeping the vascular space full to facilitate tissue perfusion, cons being that fact that it deteriorates the clotting factors. And as agreed on, I am not supporting the use of these supplies by non-trained persons.
R-32, I understand your worries and I think everyone here should appreciate you for your concern. I agree with the latin phrase, "primum non nocere" meaning first do no harm. |