[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Gun delay? WTF? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/3/2008 12:54:28 PM EDT
| So I went to pay off my XD 9 and the sales men does the FBI check and they said I have to wait till the 9th and they didnt tell him why. I never got into trouble so what's the deal. Is it because I bought 3 gun's in the last month and a half? I can wait but just dont know why this happened. Has anybody gone through this? |
| Yes I have my CCL and filled out everything right. My name has always been the same. I dont need to run I didnt do any thing wrong. It was just weird and in a way embarrassing. It remind's me when me and my wife went to Texas to visit and coming back we were stopped at checking and pulled to the side to do the speacial check. That was wierd and embarrassing. |
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If the NICS computer "crashes," are there any back-up provisions in place? In the event of a "crash," if a dealer is not notified that the transfer should be denied in three business days, the transfer may proceed. However, if a state POC network goes down, a dealer may not contact NICS directly. How about a "hit"? When a "hit" occurs, the dealer will receive instruction to delay the transaction. A "delay" response indicates that the check turned up information that requires further review by an analyst, who will contact the dealer by return call "within a couple of hours," the FBI says. While the law provides three business days for the FBI to respond, the FBI anticipates that virtually every delay will be handled within a day. If records require further investigation, the FBI may take up to three days to issue either a proceed or a denial. There will be an appeals process for purchasers who feel they were denied in error, and dealers will be furnished with forms for this process. |
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it happens quite often, often to Mil/LE as well, doesnt mean ANYTHING do not worry you do not have to wait untill the 9th, UNLESS NIC's does not call back or your dealer does not call NICS, normaly if they call back the next day and its all cool :) (dont let your dealer tell you he cant call back for a update, I know some that claim they cant) in my case, I get a delay 1/2 the time....but there is a reason for that, call it a leason learned the hard way in my youth  now I had to laugh, had a Model 19 at Mary's, had to wait the 30 days per City Of Tacoma as the gun was a trade in(or bought outright) So I was in Mary's the otherday and I can come get my gun this saturday, I told Dan I get a delay often, so we did the paper on the gun.........go figure I get a proceed from NICS but I still cant pick it up untill saturday  it has nothing to do with how many guns you have bought, its just a random event or a fluke or whatever that got the delay. oh....I was DENIED once at Sportco, they told me never to come back(to gun counter), I explained my issue and the guy said NO WAY you can fix that with NICS. Month latter NICS sent me a nice cetificate(like kids get) that said SPORTCO.......sell_______________ to John____________ I took it the guy at Sportco and he claimed I made it, I said call em up.....he did....and then shit his pants....asked how I wanted to pay for it....I said sorry...NEVER will I buy a gun from Sportco! (and I havnt) Been going to Sportco since 1990 or so....and still do but will not buy guns. |
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I suppose it depends on if you have an angel on your shoulder or not. Back when my ex started the divorce proceedings, she pulled the whole restraining order crap and for a year, I was sans firearms. The RO had a built in expiration date and two weeks after it was supposedly gone, I went to buy my first AR lower to start rebuilding my gun collection. I was denied. Turns out that my ex had gotten a months extension without her or the courts telling me.  I was really worried at that point because it meant that I had filled out the 4473 incorrectly when I marked that I did not have an RO against me. When we went in for the "mediation conference" to try and hammer out the divorce without taking it to trial, I explained to the nice female judge what happened and how I was worried that the feds might decide to bend me over a barrel for "lying" on fed paperwork. She asked the guardian ad litem if there should be an RO in place and the GAL said that there "Never should have been one to begin with.". The nice lady judge said she would take care of it. A few months later, I went in to Ranier guns in south tacoma to pick up a Sig pistol that I had bought off the EE. The guy who owns the place (nice dude too) listened patiently as I explained that I would get denied and the reason why, but that I needed to go through the process so I could file the apeal and get my name cleared in NICS. I told him that he should expect to hold on to the pistol for for a few months as I went through the process and that if he felt the need to charge me storage for it, I was willing to do so. So, we fill out the paperwork, and he calls NICS. I'm standing there as he reads off the info, does a few "Uh huh's", etc, and writes a few things down. He hangs up and says "You're approved.". My jaw must have been on the floor for a good solid 30 seconds. I told him to stop playing with me because that wasn't cool. It's not nice to make fun of people like that. He says, no, you really are good to go. I say, dude, that's not funny, what's the number for me to call NICS and get the apeal ball rolling. He patiently looks at me and slowly says, No, really, you ARE approved. I think I must have stood there blinking at him in disbelief for another good solid minute before deciding that he wasn't pulling my leg and that I had best finish the paperwork and get the hell out of there before the feebs called back and told him to not give me the gun. I have been approved on every single NICS chech ever since then and I simply cannot thank that nice lady judge down in Thurston county enough for what she did. She must have had the Thurston Co. Sherrifs office send something into the feebs to clear it up, otherwise, I believe that I would have had to pull teeth to get the system fixed and would still be delayed on every check to this day. Sometimes, the system actually works like it's supposed to, and if it weren't improper, i'd have sent that nice lady judge a bouquet of roses or something in thanks for what she did. By the way, she also is the judge that basically forced my ex to stuff it when it came to me being able to carry concealed around my kids. My ex tried to get it in the custody paperwork that I couldn't concealed carry when they visited, so I explained to the judge that if there was ever a time that it was most necessary was when the the kids were over because THEY were the ones that needed the most protection, and she agreed with me! I guess the real point is that the NICS system is so screwey that you really shouldn't let it bother you. Sometimes it works right and sometimes it doesn't. just roll with it and so long as you get your gear in the end, don't worry so much. |
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Yeah, I was in the military and got a 3 day delay... They said it would be 5 but always ended up being 3... People behind the counter always ask me "Did you have a security clearance?" "Not your business..." "Security clearances usually get you delayed..." I didn't believe it at all... I think my reason I get delayed actually is on my record I have an arrest for assault and battery and domestic. I was wrongfully arrested for it and should have been expunged from my record... However, I know it still shows up... |
Interesting. . . |
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I investigated why I was always delayed, filled out a ton of paperwork. To make a longggggggggggg story shorter, the gal I finally got to talk to said that because I was investigated by the FBI in 1964 was entered into the data base. NO reason why I was investigate just that I was. (it was a security clearance for the Army) I was later informed that they couldn't do anything about it as it was transferred from a paper record and those records no longer exist. End of story is I ALWAYS get delayed. |
The only reason I have ever been delayed was when they were re-doing my security clearance; because an investigation was going on they slowed me down. No big deal really, but pissed me off at the time! |
I dealt with the same shit in my divorce. Judges response..."Has Mr. XXXX ever been convicted of a felony Ms. whorebag attorney". "No he hasnt your honor". "Then why should I deny Mr. XXXX his 2nd ammendment right and his Washington State constitutional right"? Also getting ready to go through the shit AGAIN with my girlfriends ex husband. Apparently he doesnt like the fact that I carry concealed around his kids. He is just jealous becuase he cant purchase a firearm. Something about 2 domestic violence convictions..... |
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when I did my apeal with NICs I tried(asked) to get into the program where they give you a special # when you call in, but NICs told me not to. Welchers had NICs send me the stuff and think I will do the program. I dont mind the delay's when the gun is close but when your along way from home it sucks to make two trips, each trip to Tacoma cost me $10 when all said and done, aint alot of $ but still. Connie NEVER EVER gets a delay....always PROCEED |
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Never been delayed and I held a clearance for over 18 years. |
Usually it happens if you are getting one done for the first time, or whatever process there is if you have to update one, the NICS guy/gal sees that something different is going on so they delay it. |
[] There is a big difference between a arrest and a conviction. If it ever went in front of a judge and you were convicted or plead to a lesser crime of DV or Assault, it also went into a Federal Data Base, so you would have to clear it up at the State and the Federal level , The Federal level requires a pardon. Because you are issued a Wa CPL or even pass the WAC background which is run as a WASC, doesn't mean you can pass the Federal 4473 they are not one in the same. Big loop hole. I have had soldiers who have a current Wa CPL that can't pass a 4473 because of DV from other states and if their command knew they would have to be release from service due to the Lotunburg Amendment. On a 4473 the NICS examiner runs a first tier information check, if any information above their level comes up flagged the a second NICS examiner with a higher level research's the individuals, if there is a other agency flag , state included then they give a delay. Flagged delays can very from state to state , to include unpaid ticket and child support as well as criminal issues with the prospective buyer.[/]I currently know two individuals in this position. |
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yup, issued a WA CPL and was denied by NICS, then apealed with NICS and all sorted out within a few weeks. guess it was that felony from 1986 I didnt know the state could give a delay or denied, interesting [] [] There is a big difference between a arrest and a conviction. If it ever went in front of a judge and you were convicted or plead to a lesser crime of DV or Assault, it also went into a Federal Data Base, so you would have to clear it up at the State and the Federal level , The Federal level requires a pardon. Because you are issued a Wa CPL or even pass the WAC background which is run as a WASC, doesn't mean you can pass the Federal 4473 they are not one in the same. Big loop hole. I have had soldiers who have a current Wa CPL that can't pass a 4473 because of DV from other states and if their command knew they would have to be release from service due to the Lotunburg Amendment. On a 4473 the NICS examiner runs a first tier information check, if any information above their level comes up flagged the a second NICS examiner with a higher level research's the individuals, if there is a other agency flag , state included then they give a delay. Flagged delays can very from state to state , to include unpaid ticket and child support as well as criminal issues with the prospective buyer.[/]I currently know two individuals in this position. |
I have never had a delay. I've had a clearance of one level or another for almost 30 years now. |
I'm in the military and I also have a clearance but I've never had a delay. |
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YOU GUYS THAT ALWAYS GET DELAYED CAN FILL OUT SOME FEDERAL PAPERWORK TO GET A 'UPIN' NUMBER......... IT BASICALLY ALLOWS THE FEDS TO KEEP THE INFO THEY DO ON YOU DURING A NICS CHECK, INSTEAD OF DESTROYING IT (AND WE ALL KNOW THEY DESTROY IT....YEAHSURERIGHT) I HAVE A COMMON NAME, AND USUALLY ALWAYS(BUT NOT ALWAYS) GOT A 'DELAY' AND I'M A VERY ACTIVE GUN COLLECTOR, SO THE DELAYS WOULD ALWAYS BE A PROBLEM, IF I WAS AWAY FROM MY USUAL AO........ ONCE I RECEIVED THE UPIN NUMBER, IF THE IDJIT BEHIND THE COUNTER CALLS THE RIGHT NUMBER AND >SAYS< HE HAS A UPIN NUMBER, I SLIDE RIGHT THROUGH LIKE KRAP THROUGH A GOOSE.......IF BUBBA-THE-COUNTER GUY REFUSES TO MENTION THE UPIN NUMBER, I STILL GET A DELAY...("WELL, I AIN'T NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE..........") I'D DO THE UPIN THING AGAIN IN A HEARTBEAT....I FIGURE WITH AS MUCH INFO AS THE FEDS HAVE ALREADY, WHY NOT LET THEM KEEP SOME MORE??? OH YEAH, BESIDES HAVING A SECURITY CLEARANCE IN MY YOOT, I HAVE BOTH A WASHINGTON CCW AS WELL AS A FEDERAL O3(C&R) FFL............... |
You have a Washington CCP |
Fixt. |
Its not a CPL. The license says Carry Concealed Pistol, that's CCP.
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If you were arrested for misdemeanor assault before all arrest records were computerized, your arrest is in an FBI file, because your fingerprints were sent to the FBI following booking. If the charged was dismissed or reduced, that action may not have made it to the FBI records file (paper back then), and all that will show up is the assault arrest. As far as the FBI may be concerned, you had an assault conviction. In fact, there may be no court record in existence at all to prove that the case was dismissed, or there may only be a 3x5 index card in a cardboard box in the basement of a town hall in Omak or Concrete if you are lucky. So save that old paperwork showing a dismissal. With a statewide computer database for all criminal convictions, including misdemeanors, these problems are less common. But they still come up for small town arrests, if the court records were pre-computer era. This problem also comes up at the Canadian border now and then. BTW, I used to always get delayed when NICS first started. The NICS operator ("I'm not supposed to tell, but....") told my dealer that I have the same name and DOB as a felon in another state. No problems now when I use my SS#. |
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I >NEVER< USE MY SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER.................. IT SAYS, RIGHT ON MY ORIGINAL ISSUE, CIRCA 1952 SS CARD............ "NOT TO BE USED FOR IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES"............. AND I NEVER DO ANYTHING MY GOVERNMENT TELLS ME NOT TO DO........... I TELL VARIOUS FFLS THAT WHEN I DON'T PROVIDE THE SS# AND YOU SHOULD SEE THE 'DEER IN THE HEADLIGHTS LOOK' I GET FROM MOST OF THEM.......... ALWAYS MAKES ME CHUCKLE................ PROBABLY NO WONDER I HAD TO GET THE UPIN NUMBER............. BUT THEN, I DIDN'T HAVE TO PROVIDE THE SS# ON THE UPIN APPLICATION NUMBER EITHER.....THAT MAKES ME CHUCKLE TOO................ |
It says State of WA License to Carry Concealed Pistol. However it also states that you must have your"Concealed Pistol License" in your possesion at all times . CPL 
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