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9/2/2008 12:34:12 PM EDT
been just a "while" since I have been to a concert, but can I carry at a concert at the Key Arena? from the Seattle Center web site it looks like I can(it says yes if a CWP on the campus, which included the buildings)

....but not sure what happens at the gates of the concert? not like this is a roawdy crowd but still I feel better with my J frame with me

3. Weapons
It is prohibited to:
a. Sell, manufacture, purchase, possess or carry any blackjack, sand-club, metal knuckles, switchblade knife, chako sticks, or throwing stars; or
b. Carry concealed or unconcealed on his or her person any dangerous knife unless used as a tool for work by Seattle Center employees or their authorized agents, or carry concealed on his or her person any weapon. Seattle Center employees are subject to the Seattle Center Employees Firearm Policy.
c. Possess a firearm on the campus, except that such restriction shall not apply to any pistol in the possession of a person licensed under RCW 9.41.070 or exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060.


9/2/2008 12:53:27 PM EDT
[#1]
Key Arena is not covered in 9.41.300.
Key Arena is a Public Facility, owned and operated.
Concerts at Key Arena are not Outdoor Music Festivals.


Key Arena is a publicly owned and run facility and RCW 9.41.290 (State preemption) applies.

Key Arena used to try and bar licensed CPL holders from carrying on the premises. After they were educated about the relevant RCWs, and exposed in the Seattle PI for also barring off duty LEOs from carrying, the policy was reversed. The arena may have signs posted saying no weapons allowed, they don't mean a thing.


There may on occasion be events held in Key Arena that would bar CPL holders from carrying, high schools holding graduation ceremonies, etc under RCW9.41.280 (Possessing dangerous weapons on school facilities — Penalty — Exceptions)



(1) It is unlawful for a person to carry onto, or to possess on, public or private elementary or secondary school premises, school-provided transportation, or areas of facilities while being used exclusively by public or private schools:








Armed police being barred from games

Tuesday, March 12, 2002

By LEWIS KAMB
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

In the wake of last year's terrorist attacks, Americans widely acknowledged that sacrificing some personal liberties in the name of homeland security was a necessary evil.

But now, even some law enforcement officers say that things may be going too far.

Several off-duty police officers and sheriff's deputies recently have been barred from KeyArena, Husky Stadium and the Stadium Exhibition Center -- all public, big-event venues in Seattle -- after security personnel learned the officers were carrying guns.

Blame heightened security at sporting events and exhibition shows for the denied access, as new precautionary measures have brought mandatory inspections of handbags and itemized restrictions on everything from glass bottles to weapons.

"Immediately after 9/11, we put together a very strict policy regarding guns and other dangerous weapons," said Pete Pedersen, a spokesman for First & Goal Inc., the Paul Allen firm that manages the Stadium Exhibition Center. "I just don't think the policy took off-duty police officers into consideration."

To some officers -- particularly those in the Seattle Police Department, which generally requires off-duty cops to carry their guns when within city limits -- not only does the well-meaning crackdown make no sense, it's simply illegal.

They point to the state firearms law in the Revised Code of Washington, which exempts law enforcement and corrections officers from any restrictions on carrying guns in most public facilities, including stadiums and convention centers.

"It's not only ludicrous, it seems counterintuitive to disarm trained police officers after 9-11 -- especially in places with a high concentration of people," said Seattle Police Officers' Guild President Ken Saucier, who recently was barred from a motorcycle show at the Stadium Exhibition Center for carrying his gun.

The King County Sheriff's Office also has contacted the state's Public Stadium Authority, Allen's public ownership partner in the Stadium Exhibition Center and adjacent Seahawks stadium, which is now under construction.

Meanwhile, Seattle police have been negotiating with the University of Washington, the Seattle Center and First & Goal to resolve the matter.

"No one is arguing the need for increased security," said Seattle Assistant Chief Jim Pugel, the department's point man on the issue. "But this is putting officers in a tough position. They've been told to be on heightened alert and to protect the public. Now they're being told to do it in a way they aren't trained to."

Officials for at least two of the venues apparently are ready to agree to that logic -- and to follow state law.

Both Pedersen, the First & Goal spokesman, and Perry Cooper, spokesman for the Seattle Center, which manages city-owned KeyArena, said officials for their respective venues are now working out a way to allow off-duty officers access to events at their sites -- guns and all.

"It's going to be a non-issue very soon," Pedersen said.

But that's apparently not the case at Husky Stadium.

"If it happened today, we'd still enforce it the way we have been," said Annette Spicuzza, an assistant chief for the University of Washington Police Department.

Following Sept. 11, the UW started requiring off-duty officers to secure guns in their cars, an on-site locker or at the university police station, Spicuzza said.

That doesn't fly with Saucier, who was recently told he should leave his gun in his car if he wanted to enter the Stadium Exhibition Center.

"I'm supposed to lock my gun in the trunk of my car, but what happens when someone breaks in and steals it? I'm going to be held liable," he said.

Saucier added that he knows of an officer from another department who agreed to store her gun in a venue's lockers, only to be given back the wrong gun.

UW officials are aware of the state firearms law, but say they're following a Washington Administrative Code rule that says "possession or use of firearms on the university campus" is prohibited, except for authorized purposes or unless prior written approval is obtained from the university.

"It's very unclear," Spicuzza said of the apparent conflict between the law and administrative code.

While UW police have asked the university's Board of Regents to review both codes, the policy barring guns from Husky Stadium will stand, she said.

But according to a spokeswoman for the state's Administrative Office of the Courts, state law trumps the administrative code.

"The Washington Administrative Code is not substantive law," spokeswoman Wendy Ferrell said. "It essentially serves to set out procedures for agencies and their activities, as provided for in statute."

The problem appears to be limited to the Seattle area, according to an informal survey of police agencies in the region.

While officials are working to resolve the matter, at least five Seattle officers and three female sheriff's deputies have been barred from various venues.

"Why it seems to be mostly women is that (venues aren't) frisking people, they're checking bags and purses," said Sheriff's Office spokesman John Urquhart. "A lot of female officers keep their guns in their purses."

King County does not require deputies to carry guns while off-duty. The Seattle Police policy says that "Officers are expected at all times to take appropriate action to protect people and property."

Exceptions are allowed for off-duty cops engaged in physical activity, such as playing sports, or attending a social function where alcohol is consumed.

Mike Edwards, past president of the Seattle officers' guild, noted that suspects or ex-cons whom officers have encountered in the past sometimes recognize police in public, even in civilian clothes. And sometimes, he said, they make it a point to make a beef with those officers.

That happened to Officer Antonio Terry, who was fatally shot while off-duty in 1994, he said. Terry had stopped to assist two stranded motorists, but was shot and killed by Quentin Ervin and Eric Smiley.

Officials maintain that Ervin and Smiley shot Terry after they recognized him as an officer. While the motive was never proven in court, the men were convicted of murder.

"There are good reasons why off-duty officers are allowed to carry guns," Edwards said. "And believe me, that's one of them."
9/2/2008 12:55:13 PM EDT
[#2]
I went to an NBA game and carried.

The catch is you can carry legaly but the event may be wepons free, by buying the ticket you agree to it. NFL games are this way. It's legal to cary at Safco Feild but it's against the agreement you have with the NFL and if you have a wepon you can be forced to leave, ie tresspasing.

NFL games have security checkers. Ankle holsters work tho

What I would do is go to the concert check out security if there metal detectors or they are frisking people take the gun back to the car.
9/2/2008 1:15:16 PM EDT
[#3]
In addition Safeco & QWest Fields are different than Key Arena.



9.41.300 deals with stadiums controlled or operated by a political subdivision (city, county, state, etc), NOT private facilities. The way Safeco & QWest are set up with leases they are private facilities.


2) Cities, towns, counties, and other municipalities may enact laws and ordinances:

    (a) Restricting the discharge of firearms in any portion of their respective jurisdictions where there is a reasonable likelihood that humans, domestic animals, or property will be jeopardized. Such laws and ordinances shall not abridge the right of the individual guaranteed by Article I, section 24 of the state Constitution to bear arms in defense of self or others; and

    (b) Restricting the possession of firearms in any stadium or convention center, operated by a city, town, county, or other municipality, except that such restrictions shall not apply to:

    (i) Any pistol in the possession of a person licensed under RCW 9.41.070 or exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060; or
9/2/2008 1:32:29 PM EDT
[#4]
thanks for the info guys....now who to check with to see if Neil Diamond is gun friendly
9/2/2008 2:05:43 PM EDT
[#5]
Doesn't he collect panties from the guys in the first few rows?
9/2/2008 2:13:25 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
In addition Safeco & QWest Fields are different than Key Arena.



9.41.300 deals with stadiums controlled or operated by a political subdivision (city, county, state, etc), NOT private facilities. The way Safeco & QWest are set up with leases they are private facilities.


2) Cities, towns, counties, and other municipalities may enact laws and ordinances:

    (a) Restricting the discharge of firearms in any portion of their respective jurisdictions where there is a reasonable likelihood that humans, domestic animals, or property will be jeopardized. Such laws and ordinances shall not abridge the right of the individual guaranteed by Article I, section 24 of the state Constitution to bear arms in defense of self or others; and

    (b) Restricting the possession of firearms in any stadium or convention center, operated by a city, town, county, or other municipality, except that such restrictions shall not apply to:

    (i) Any pistol in the possession of a person licensed under RCW 9.41.070 or exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060; or



My feeble mind doesn't comprehend the wording...

With a CPL...

Yes legal to carry at Key Arena.  Concerts there, yes because they are not an outdoor festival.  Yes legal to carry at NBA games, but you might be tossed if the NBA is anti gun/knife.


Yes legal to carry at M's or Hawks games at Safeco and Qwest base on the above. But NO carry to a graduation ceremony because the school laws carry over to events even though they are off campus?
9/2/2008 5:18:40 PM EDT
[#7]
All the concerts i have been to in the las few years like 6 or so they have been friskin people.. you might get away with an ankle.. depends on your frisker. sometimes they run all the way down your legs sometimes they dont.. you can always try and return it to the car..
9/2/2008 5:34:52 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
In addition Safeco & QWest Fields are different than Key Arena.



9.41.300 deals with stadiums controlled or operated by a political subdivision (city, county, state, etc), NOT private facilities. The way Safeco & QWest are set up with leases they are private facilities.


2) Cities, towns, counties, and other municipalities may enact laws and ordinances:

    (a) Restricting the discharge of firearms in any portion of their respective jurisdictions where there is a reasonable likelihood that humans, domestic animals, or property will be jeopardized. Such laws and ordinances shall not abridge the right of the individual guaranteed by Article I, section 24 of the state Constitution to bear arms in defense of self or others; and

    (b) Restricting the possession of firearms in any stadium or convention center, operated by a city, town, county, or other municipality, except that such restrictions shall not apply to:

    (i) Any pistol in the possession of a person licensed under RCW 9.41.070 or exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060; or



My feeble mind doesn't comprehend the wording...

With a CPL...

Yes legal to carry at Key Arena.  Concerts there, yes because they are not an outdoor festival.  Yes legal to carry at NBA games, but you might be tossed if the NBA is anti gun/knife.


Yes legal to carry at M's or Hawks games at Safeco and Qwest base on the above. But NO carry to a graduation ceremony because the school laws carry over to events even though they are off campus?


No carry at Ms or Hawks games because they are run as Private Properties and the owners say no.
9/2/2008 5:38:56 PM EDT
[#9]
those were my (what I have left)memories as well.....but years ago Ozzy, Van Halen etc etc......but I gotta figure the ND crowd is pretty mellow and not patting down the old folks

and we are takin my (oldish)folks  and damnit I like Neil Diamond


Quoted:
All the concerts i have been to in the las few years like 6 or so they have been friskin people.. you might get away with an ankle.. depends on your frisker. sometimes they run all the way down your legs sometimes they dont.. you can always try and return it to the car..
9/2/2008 6:12:35 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
In addition Safeco & QWest Fields are different than Key Arena.



9.41.300 deals with stadiums controlled or operated by a political subdivision (city, county, state, etc), NOT private facilities. The way Safeco & QWest are set up with leases they are private facilities.


2) Cities, towns, counties, and other municipalities may enact laws and ordinances:

    (a) Restricting the discharge of firearms in any portion of their respective jurisdictions where there is a reasonable likelihood that humans, domestic animals, or property will be jeopardized. Such laws and ordinances shall not abridge the right of the individual guaranteed by Article I, section 24 of the state Constitution to bear arms in defense of self or others; and

    (b) Restricting the possession of firearms in any stadium or convention center, operated by a city, town, county, or other municipality, except that such restrictions shall not apply to:

    (i) Any pistol in the possession of a person licensed under RCW 9.41.070 or exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060; or



My feeble mind doesn't comprehend the wording...

With a CPL...

Yes legal to carry at Key Arena.  Concerts there, yes because they are not an outdoor festival.  Yes legal to carry at NBA games, but you might be tossed if the NBA is anti gun/knife.


Yes legal to carry at M's or Hawks games at Safeco and Qwest base on the above. But NO carry to a graduation ceremony because the school laws carry over to events even though they are off campus?


No carry at Ms or Hawks games because they are run as Private Properties and the owners say no.



But wouldn't that be like going into Lowes or Safeway.  They might have a sign at the door that says no go, but all they really have the right to do is ask you to leave?
9/2/2008 6:30:12 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
In addition Safeco & QWest Fields are different than Key Arena.



9.41.300 deals with stadiums controlled or operated by a political subdivision (city, county, state, etc), NOT private facilities. The way Safeco & QWest are set up with leases they are private facilities.


2) Cities, towns, counties, and other municipalities may enact laws and ordinances:

    (a) Restricting the discharge of firearms in any portion of their respective jurisdictions where there is a reasonable likelihood that humans, domestic animals, or property will be jeopardized. Such laws and ordinances shall not abridge the right of the individual guaranteed by Article I, section 24 of the state Constitution to bear arms in defense of self or others; and

    (b) Restricting the possession of firearms in any stadium or convention center, operated by a city, town, county, or other municipality, except that such restrictions shall not apply to:

    (i) Any pistol in the possession of a person licensed under RCW 9.41.070 or exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060; or



My feeble mind doesn't comprehend the wording...

With a CPL...

Yes legal to carry at Key Arena.  Concerts there, yes because they are not an outdoor festival.  Yes legal to carry at NBA games, but you might be tossed if the NBA is anti gun/knife.


Yes legal to carry at M's or Hawks games at Safeco and Qwest base on the above. But NO carry to a graduation ceremony because the school laws carry over to events even though they are off campus?


No carry at Ms or Hawks games because they are run as Private Properties and the owners say no.



But wouldn't that be like going into Lowes or Safeway.  They might have a sign at the door that says no go, but all they really have the right to do is ask you to leave?


Pretty much except they can keep your ticket that you paid good money for, you'll already have given it to them, and tresspass you from the premise, right before they eject you.
9/2/2008 6:36:17 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
In addition Safeco & QWest Fields are different than Key Arena.



9.41.300 deals with stadiums controlled or operated by a political subdivision (city, county, state, etc), NOT private facilities. The way Safeco & QWest are set up with leases they are private facilities.


2) Cities, towns, counties, and other municipalities may enact laws and ordinances:

    (a) Restricting the discharge of firearms in any portion of their respective jurisdictions where there is a reasonable likelihood that humans, domestic animals, or property will be jeopardized. Such laws and ordinances shall not abridge the right of the individual guaranteed by Article I, section 24 of the state Constitution to bear arms in defense of self or others; and

    (b) Restricting the possession of firearms in any stadium or convention center, operated by a city, town, county, or other municipality, except that such restrictions shall not apply to:

    (i) Any pistol in the possession of a person licensed under RCW 9.41.070 or exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060; or


Ah got ya Phil great info!
9/2/2008 6:39:58 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
Pretty much except they can keep your ticket that you paid good money for, you'll already have given it to them, and tresspass you from the premise, right before they eject you.



Thanks, that's what I was looking for.  I have carried to Safeco because I know they don't do pat downs and I figured I was taking a risk of being kicked out.  Sometimes personal safety in SoDo/Pioneer Square is worth more than a baseball ticket!  Not to mention, it's concealed for a reason right?
9/2/2008 6:47:24 PM EDT
[#14]
The important difference is that Safeco and QWest can legally kick you out. (and bar you from the premises)

Key Arena, excepting 9.41.280, legally can't.
10/11/2008 8:38:20 AM EDT
[#15]
ment to update but forgot

they checked Connie and Mom's bags/purse at the door, but didnt give me a 2nd look....even though I had a HK hat and cargo pants on(which I couldnt have stashed about anything in) So no issues at all packing at the Key.

great show BTW.......old guy can still belt out the toons.....but talk about an old crowd, we(at 38 and 42) were about the youngest there