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8/4/2008 8:50:28 PM EDT
I am going to be visiting Washington and I will be obtaining a Utah permit which allows me to carry concealed in Washington.  I will be visiting a friend on teh University of Washington campus in Seattle.  I was just wondering if it is legal to carry on a college campus.  

I also believe that any place that is 21 and over is also off limits?  Is that correct?  Mostly we plan to hang out in the city and get a feel for the area.  

Thanks,

Tecumseh
8/4/2008 8:57:52 PM EDT
[#1]
UW is off limits.
8/4/2008 8:58:58 PM EDT
[#2]

I was just wondering if it is legal to carry on a college campus.


No it's not legal to carry on the campus but there are currently no criminal penalties associated with it. However a current student/employee or a prospective student/employee can expect getting caught to cause UW look at them in a negative manner i.e. expelled, fired, not hired or accepted for admission.  

A non student or employee may be trespassed from UW and violating that can lead to criminal charges.


I also believe that any place that is 21 and over is also off limits?



(d) That portion of an establishment classified by the state liquor control board as off-limits to persons under twenty-one years of age;


While you are here stop by a cop shop and get a non-resident permit.
www.dol.wa.gov/business/firearms/faconceal.html I never like the idea of having to rely on the LEOs having to research a relatively obscure bit of legal code such as CPL reciprocity while we are on the side of the road.
8/4/2008 9:04:02 PM EDT
[#3]

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I never like the idea of having to rely on the LEOs having to research a relatively obscure bit of legal code such as CPL reciprocity while we are on the side of the road.

That right there is a big No Shit-er.
8/5/2008 7:14:25 AM EDT
[#4]

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I never like the idea of having to rely on the LEOs having to research a relatively obscure bit of legal code such as CPL reciprocity while we are on the side of the road.

That right there is a big No Shit-er.


are you telling me the ones enforcing the laws do not understand the very laws they are enforcing and are entrusted to use lethal force in order to ensure complience?
8/5/2008 7:17:39 AM EDT
[#5]

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Quoted:

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I never like the idea of having to rely on the LEOs having to research a relatively obscure bit of legal code such as CPL reciprocity while we are on the side of the road.

That right there is a big No Shit-er.


are you telling me the ones enforcing the laws do not understand the very laws they are enforcing and are entrusted to use lethal force in order to ensure complience?
LEO, especially at the grunt level, are as likely to know all eleventy billion laws as you are to know all 20,000+ gun related laws. TTTHHHBBBBBTT!!
8/5/2008 7:20:21 AM EDT
[#6]
Only criminals and cops are allowed to carry @ UW.
8/6/2008 6:28:03 PM EDT
[#7]

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I was just wondering if it is legal to carry on a college campus.


No it's not legal to carry on the campus but there are currently no criminal penalties associated with it. However a current student/employee or a prospective student/employee can expect getting caught to cause UW look at them in a negative manner i.e. expelled, fired, not hired or accepted for admission.  


This is kind of confusing.  If there is no criminal penalty then is it illegal?  Or just against regulations for students?  I am not a student there if that is the issue.  However my buddy is.
8/6/2008 6:45:46 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:

I was just wondering if it is legal to carry on a college campus.


No it's not legal to carry on the campus but there are currently no criminal penalties associated with it. However a current student/employee or a prospective student/employee can expect getting caught to cause UW look at them in a negative manner i.e. expelled, fired, not hired or accepted for admission.  


This is kind of confusing.  If there is no criminal penalty then is it illegal?  Or just against regulations for students?  I am not a student there if that is the issue.  However my buddy is.


It's illegal enough that it can have you talking to the Seattle PD after the campus cops call them and get you as a non student or employee banned from the campus and violating that ban does have criminal penalties.




WAC 478-120-020 Standards of conduct. (1) The university is a public institution having special responsibility for providing instruction in higher education, for advancing knowledge through scholarship and research, and for providing related services to the community. As a center of learning, the university also has the obligation to maintain conditions conducive to freedom of inquiry and expression to the maximum degree compatible with the orderly conduct of its functions. For these purposes, the university is governed by the rules, regulations, procedures, policies, and standards of conduct that safeguard its functions and protect the rights and freedoms of all members of the academic community.

    (2) Admission to the university carries with it the presumption that students will conduct themselves as responsible members of the academic community. As a condition of enrollment, all students assume responsibility to observe standards of conduct that will contribute to the pursuit of academic goals and to the welfare of the academic community. That responsibility includes, but is not limited to:

    (a) Practicing high standards of academic and professional honesty and integrity;

    (b) Respecting the rights, privileges, and property of other members of the academic community and visitors to the campus, and refraining from any conduct that would interfere with university functions or endanger the health, welfare, or safety of other persons;

    (c) Complying with the rules, regulations, procedures, policies, standards of conduct, and orders of the university and its schools, colleges, and departments.

    (3) Specific instances of misconduct include, but are not limited to:

    (a) Conduct that intentionally and substantially obstructs or disrupts teaching or freedom of movement or other lawful activities on university premises or in connection with any university-sponsored event or activity and is not constitutionally and/or legally protected;

    (b) Physical abuse of any person, or conduct intended to threaten imminent bodily harm or to endanger the health or safety of any person on university premises;

    (c) Conduct on university premises constituting a sexual offense, whether forcible or nonforcible, such as rape, sexual assault, or sexual harassment;

    (d) Malicious damage to or malicious misuse of university property, or the property of any person where such property is located on university premises;

    (e) Refusal to comply with any lawful order to leave university premises or any portion thereof;

    (f) Possession or use of firearms, explosives, dangerous chemicals or other dangerous weapons or instrumentalities on university premises, except for authorized university purposes, unless prior written approval has been obtained from the university chief of police, or any other person designated by the president of the university (see WAC 478-124-020 (2)(e)) (legal defense sprays are not covered by this section);



WAC 478-124-020
Washington State Register filings since 2003
Conduct on campus code — Prohibited conduct.

 (1) In order to safeguard the right of every citizen to criticize and to seek meaningful change, each individual has an obligation to respect the rights of all members of the university community.

    (2) In order to assure those rights to all members of the university community and to maintain a peaceful atmosphere in which the university may continue to make its special contribution to society, the following types of conduct are hereby prohibited on or in property either owned, controlled or operated by the university which is used or set aside for university purposes, hereinafter referred to as the university campus:

    (a) Conduct which intentionally and substantially obstructs or disrupts teaching or freedom of movement or other lawful activities on the university campus;

    (b) Physical abuse of any person or conduct which is intended unlawfully to threaten imminent bodily harm or to endanger the health or safety of any person on the university campus;

    (c) Malicious damage to or malicious misuse of university property, or the property of any person where such property is located on the university campus;

    (d) Refusal to comply with any lawful order to leave the university campus or any portion thereof;

    (e) Possession or use of firearms, explosives, dangerous chemicals or other dangerous weapons or instrumentalities on the university campus, except for authorized university purposes, unless prior written approval has been obtained from the university chief of police, or any other person designated by the president of the university;



8/6/2008 8:22:02 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Only criminals and cops are allowed to carry @ UW.


Pretty much sums it up.
8/7/2008 7:34:19 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Only criminals and cops are allowed to carry @ UW.


What about wannabe cops?

(Disclaimer: No offense intended to the wannabe cops)
8/7/2008 2:21:42 PM EDT
[#11]
Thanks for the legal speak.  I see it at the bottom.  Well guess we will rely on our wits when we visit the campus.