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4/1/2008 8:18:38 PM EDT
Okay,

So in a conversation about CCW today, a guy in class (hunting safety class I was helping teach... don't ask how we got to ccw, it ended shortly there after) one of the students said it is legal to conceal carry at your place of employment without a license.  I called BS, and he claims he has an RCW somewhere.  I really doubt this exists, but can somebody please help me out here to definitively debunk or prove this?

Thanks.
4/1/2008 8:26:39 PM EDT
[#1]
Not exactly


RCW 9.41.050
Carrying firearms.

(1)(a) Except in the person's place of abode or fixed place of business, a person shall not carry a pistol concealed on his or her person without a license to carry a concealed pistol.

    (b) Every licensee shall have his or her concealed pistol license in his or her immediate possession at all times that he or she is required by this section to have a concealed pistol license and shall display the same upon demand to any police officer or to any other person when and if required by law to do so. Any violation of this subsection (1)(b) shall be a class 1 civil infraction under chapter 7.80 RCW and shall be punished accordingly pursuant to chapter 7.80 RCW and the infraction rules for courts of limited jurisdiction.

    (2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.

    (b) A violation of this subsection is a misdemeanor.

    (3)(a) A person at least eighteen years of age who is in possession of an unloaded pistol shall not leave the unloaded pistol in a vehicle unless the unloaded pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.

    (b) A violation of this subsection is a misdemeanor.

    (4) Nothing in this section permits the possession of firearms illegal to possess under state or federal law.
4/1/2008 10:30:19 PM EDT
[#2]
It dose exist and they can. There is with any law extras attached, Phil posted the exact. Now add in the Weapon is legal the person CCWing is legal to own said weapon and define "place of business" then the gray starts.

So I would say you are incorrect. But if the student is a felon driving a delivery truck he is up a creek.
4/2/2008 10:01:51 AM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
But if the student is a felon and/or driving a delivery truck he is up a creek.

A vehicle is hardly a "fixed place of business" for anyone.
4/2/2008 10:06:27 AM EDT
[#4]
Its still considered your business if you just work there? Or does that mean you have to be the owner/manager?
4/2/2008 12:42:28 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
Its still considered your business if you just work there? Or does that mean you have to be the owner/manager?

If you are an employee, then the policy is up to the owner.
Forget carrying at The Lazy B or the Softdrink factory.
For example.
4/2/2008 5:15:57 PM EDT
[#6]
Up to company policy..  I would get fired if caught with a CW
4/2/2008 5:22:58 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
Up to company policy..  I would get fired if caught with a CW


Me too.

So I open carry. They are already waiting to see my new toy in 3 weeks.




ETA: FTR, I'm a delivery driver.
4/2/2008 7:13:50 PM EDT
[#8]
So to clear up my understanding, a fixed place of business does not mean place of employment.  

If i worked at ma and pa's gorcery, I am not allowed by law to conceal carry without proper license.  If I OWN ma and pa's grocery then I am.   Am I understanding this correctly?
4/2/2008 7:58:27 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
So to clear up my understanding, a fixed place of business does not mean place of employment.  

If i worked at ma and pa's gorcery, I am not allowed by law to conceal carry without proper license.  If I OWN ma and pa's grocery then I am.   Am I understanding this correctly?


Not a DA so take it for what your paying for it

Fixed place = Ma and Paw grocery with Pa's approval.

Now say Pa said no guns and you CCWed any way. Pa found out and called the Police. Lets say the Officer arrested you fro Illegal CCW and now you get to be the gray area test case. Lots of $$ to find out what a place of business is. My gut is it's ok but what my gut and today's courts find have known to be different. At very least your fired if not also charded with tresspas.

that said any one working for me is encouraged to carry, tho I'm the only one doing it

All of that said just go get your dam CCW licence!
4/2/2008 8:07:56 PM EDT
[#10]
I don't think there would be an arrest in the above circumstances, as the law has to be taken at face value without case law to more closely define it.  CCW at a fixed place of business is clearly legal, but if Ma or Pa found out you were carrying at work, and don't like that, then it would likely be disciplinary action at the job only, up to and possibly including getting fired.

All this assuming you are lawfully allowed to possess and carry a handgun in the first place.

All of the above is merely conjecture and opinion, IANAL.
4/2/2008 9:08:30 PM EDT
[#11]
Thanks for the input everyone.  Basically what I'm going to tell the guy is CYA, get your CCW and be damn sure your place of employment is okay with your carrying.  

I'm glad I have my CCW, just wish my employer let me carry.

Thanks again!