Posted: 11/24/2007 3:38:18 PM EDT
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Hi. i have a question for you guys. i currently have an Aimpoint M2 on my Bushy and after shooting it today im thinking about getting an ACOG for it, though i have never used one. im looking for one that has around 4X power with bullet drop cheverons for different ranges for a 16" barrel. i know a lot of you guys use them, so what do you think i should go with? (model) thanks. |
| from what ive seen the Eotech is just another red dot sight. i love my aimpoint and i currently have four of them. but i am looking for something that i can see a little further with. i have heard a few complaints about the Eotech as far as the battery not lasting in it. now my aimpoints batteries last for years. i want something different than a red dot, but not quite a full on scope. |
My two EoTech's battery life is great. I turn them off correctly, many think if you turn them down with the left button they are off. NOT True, you have to use both buttons. |
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Quoted: from what ive seen the Eotech is just another red dot sight. Not in my opinion really. I've competed with a few different dot sights (NRA Bullseye), and was very pleasantly surprised with the EOTech when I got one. The parallax-free thing is really quite a step up in my opinion, and I'm amazed they (or the Bushnell counterpart) aren't used more often by competitors. (dunno about military or defense uses) That said, I'm not an ACOG fan either (still don't know what what folks see in them, cause you sure as hell cant see much through them  ). Nor do I find the EOTech all that useful in the field. (I'm a fudd.... no other excuse)I decided on a short range scope, and love it. On low magnification, it's similar to the EOTech. And on high magnification, it's like a real scope.... 'cause it is.   |
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=229420 Take a look at that post. It lists all of the different models and their features. Depending on which round you're shooting, it might help to get one model over another because of how the BDCs are calibrated. I have the TA01NSN on my work gun. It's calibrated for heavier bullets, but doesn't have the fiber optic reticle. The center of the crosshair is still illuminated by tritium. ACOGs are bombproof, but they're expensive. You might check out the Leupold CQT as well. |
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TA31F is what I have, and its everything you described, except its for a 20". Its the same as the first Gen ACOGs we had in the Corps before the TA31RCOA4/M4. The only difference is the RCO has bracketing lines for calling for fire. As for a 16" barrel It looks like the TA 31 RCO-M4 is what you need, but its spendy. The TA31A is pretty close, and it still has tritium. |
The cool thing about the ACOG is that its a mix between the quick, close-in scope, and a decent long range shooter. I have never had any problems with any ACOG I have ever used, and the fact that they hold their zero after slamming them in a door makes them worth the $$$ When you say you cant see much are you speaking about the light dimming, or the Field of view? |
Right on, I don't doubt that they have their place, for their intended uses. By comparison to common hunting scopes, I was disappointed with the one I checked out. (whatever model it is that 1GR has) Field of view did seem a bit limited, but clarity and light transmission are the points I remember being exceptionally poor. It was about dusk, and we were giving a tannerite demo to an arfcommer we'd just met. I know that isn't much of an evaluation standard, but I was still very surprised at how difficult it was to see through. I recall thinking a good set of iron sights would be a step up... I can't remember now if I looked to see if it had a layer of dust on the objective lens or not. 
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www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=229420 Read that to help determine which BDC works best for your intended barrel and ammo choices. I just bought a TA31F as it decently matches a couple of configurations that I might eventually use it with, with the intended primary rifle being a 20" flat top with 75 gr ammo. I hope I like the thing, but I came across a pretty good sale on it and couldn't help myself. |
I havent been arround for an LCR in a while, but do you remember if the ACOG was battery powered or not? The tritium night sights are what I like the best about the ACOG, and I can see the battery powered ones being so bright it makes the shot harder. Personally I really like the FOV and the clarity, but thats my 2 cents. |
No, I can't recall much about it. No doubt they're a quality unit. The Fudds will never go for it ( ), but ACOGs still have a distinguished track record that cant be easily argued with.
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Look at this JP Custom ACOG I don't own one but I'm saving for one after trying in out. Pretty much the heat for 3-gun. |
| I am an Eotech guy but I have a TA31F and It seems to work pretty well. The BAC makes it fast for heads up close both eyes open shooting, but I still think Eotech has the speed edge up close. Its feild of veiw, the 65 MOA circle, and the parallax issue is more forgiving imho. The magnifications available on the Acog is very nice I will say and would easily out perform a no maginication dot sight. The magnifiers could be a decent choice but then again if you can kill two birds with one stone and not worry about batteries it might be worth a try... |
After countless drills the Eye-muzzle-target method for up close works great for me. At 50m+ I like the ACOG but its alot easier when you get to shoot uncle sugars ammo. 
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My TA31F works quite well on my 16 inch flat top with all ammo.
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| I have an Acog (3x24) on my Hk93 and a Acog (4x32) TA31 on my AR15. They are awesome scopes, excellent optics, the reticle is lit up by fiber optics during the day and tritium by night. They take a beating and keep on going, Never had any sort of problems with either one. No batteries needed - of course. I zeroed my TA31 in at 100 yards, and was shooting steel plates at the range out to 500 yards with relative ease. Highly recomended, I Love em'! |
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I have the ACOG TAO1NSN on my Colt M4 and the Eotech on my Colt 9mm carbine. I think they are 2 completely differant sighting platforms with 2 distinct applications. I just do not see putting an eoyech on a rifle that you expect to hit targets at at 150-250 yards. ACOG's 4x power is best suited for the .223 and the eotechs halo CQB sighting system is best suited for 9mm carbines ( HK94 - UZI - Colt LE6450 etc etc ) where most shooting is 50yds or less. Just my personal view on the 2. YMMV |
Holy Shiat!!! ODT what kind of lower is that!!! How does the bolt cycle? |
Linkster I absolutely love the thing! (can't believe they haven't already sold out) VERY handy rifle.     |
Taken from a couple of places using Google.
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KA3B already provided you with far more than I could have. Web info is limited as far as I know of, and I haven't tried to learn much about it otherwise. It came with a fairly thick manual, that's probably pretty interesting.... I saw a TV show that told about Alan Zitta and his creation a few years ago, (I don't think it was the same brief Shooting USA segment that has aired a few times recently, but I haven't seen it to verify), and it was pretty thorough about how it operated, and how it was built. I've scoured youtube and others, but have come up nil so far. I remember thinking it was pretty cool and very ingenious as I watched, even before I was interested in ARs or thought I'd ever want a folding stock on a rifle. From what I have read, the pro is the folding stock, and the con is unconventional design, with uncommon parts (not easily found or replaced). I really thought I was just buying an SEBR when I bought it, and honestly had no idea the folding stock would make it so handy and maneuverable. It really has turned in to one of my best firearm purchases, even if by accident.
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