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10/13/2007 8:05:02 PM EDT
I've heard it bombed, and that it sucked, and how it bites.

Personally, I thought it was a pretty good picture show.

Regardless of what GD told you to think, what did you think of it?
10/13/2007 8:08:52 PM EDT
[#1]
Cosner is not much of an actor.

The movie I liked.

My wife thinks it sucks.

Over all, it is not a unlikely story line.

I enjoyed it.
10/13/2007 8:10:33 PM EDT
[#2]
I like the movie myself
10/13/2007 8:13:50 PM EDT
[#3]
I thought that it was decent enough.  

If you can, get the book and read it.  It's quite different than the movies story.

I gave my copy away a while ago.
10/13/2007 8:17:24 PM EDT
[#4]

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I thought that it was decent enough.  

If you can, get the book and read it.  It's quite different than the movies story.

I gave my copy away a while ago.


The book was acuatly an offshoot of the Book Lucifers Hammer. Both are well worth reading.

I sure wish they would make a movie of Lucifers Hammer though.
10/13/2007 8:23:51 PM EDT
[#5]
+11 on Lucifers Hammer!

I'll have to look and see if I have a copy of it that I can put in the pile of books that I've been circulating to others.
10/13/2007 8:24:08 PM EDT
[#6]
I liked Postman............ and Waterworld as well
10/13/2007 8:25:43 PM EDT
[#7]

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I gave my copy away a while ago.


I own a copy of UC, that I see every so often at another LCRs house when I visit.
10/13/2007 8:28:59 PM EDT
[#8]

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............ and Waterworld as well


I saw parts of that years ago..... heard the same criticisms about it and never went back to check it out. Should I?

(<------ liked 3000 Mi from Graceland)
10/13/2007 8:32:05 PM EDT
[#9]

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............ and Waterworld as well


I saw parts of that years ago..... heard the same criticisms about it and never went back to check it out. Should I?

(<------ liked 3000 Mi from Graceland)


I liked 300mi from graceland enough that I actually bought it(in the $5.50 bin). I liked waterworld, not a great movie but I was entertained. Search for it with your DVR. It comes on TNN or TBS all the time.
10/13/2007 8:34:46 PM EDT
[#10]

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I gave my copy away a while ago.


I own a copy of UC, that I see every so often at another LCRs house when I visit.


I sent my copy to my older sister a fewyears ago.  

She's been shooting trap/skeet for a couple of years and is wanting to get a Springfield EMP now.  The book might have had a little effect.
10/13/2007 8:58:46 PM EDT
[#11]

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I thought that it was decent enough.  

If you can, get the book and read it.  It's quite different than the movies story.

I gave my copy away a while ago.


The book was acuatly an offshoot of the Book Lucifers Hammer. Both are well worth reading.

I sure wish they would make a movie of Lucifers Hammer though.




I'm not sure I understand the correlation between Niven/Pournelle's Lucifer's Hammer, and Brin's The Postman (either collectively, or in it's original 4 parts)

Both are post-apocalyptic, but the similarities don't seem all that great to me.  One follows a natural disaster, the other the "doomwar".  One views the preparations of "survivalist" types fairly positively, while the Postman is a pretty anti-survivalist story, that in it's entirety leads you to believe that the "survivalist" types were actually the cause of the war and fall of civilization.

The quality of story-telling/writing is certainly not on a par with Niven/Pournelle either.

They are both good reads, but not sure how one is an "offshoot" of the other.
10/13/2007 9:05:45 PM EDT
[#12]

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I thought that it was decent enough.  

If you can, get the book and read it.  It's quite different than the movies story.

I gave my copy away a while ago.


The book was actually an offshoot of the Book Lucifers Hammer. Both are well worth reading.

I sure wish they would make a movie of Lucifers Hammer though.




I'm not sure I understand the correlation between Niven/Pournelle's Lucifer's Hammer, and Brin's The Postman (either collectively, or in it's original 4 parts)

Both are post-apocalyptic, but the similarities don't seem all that great to me.  One follows a natural disaster, the other the "doomwar".  One views the preparations of "survivalist" types fairly positively, while the Postman is a pretty anti-survivalist story, that in it's entirety leads you to believe that the "survivalist" types were actually the cause of the war and fall of civilization.

The quality of story-telling/writing is certainly not on a par with Niven/Pournelle either.

They are both good reads, but not sure how one is an "offshoot" of the other.


Sorry, The Postman was plane and simple stolen from Lucifers Hammer. If you can't see that......................I believe plagiarism is the word.
10/13/2007 9:10:35 PM EDT
[#13]

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I sent my copy to my older sister a fewyears ago.  

She's been shooting trap/skeet for a couple of years and is wanting to get a Springfield EMP now.  The book might have had a little effect.


10/13/2007 9:56:29 PM EDT
[#14]

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I thought that it was decent enough.  

If you can, get the book and read it.  It's quite different than the movies story.

I gave my copy away a while ago.


The book was actually an offshoot of the Book Lucifers Hammer. Both are well worth reading.

I sure wish they would make a movie of Lucifers Hammer though.




I'm not sure I understand the correlation between Niven/Pournelle's Lucifer's Hammer, and Brin's The Postman (either collectively, or in it's original 4 parts)

Both are post-apocalyptic, but the similarities don't seem all that great to me.  One follows a natural disaster, the other the "doomwar".  One views the preparations of "survivalist" types fairly positively, while the Postman is a pretty anti-survivalist story, that in it's entirety leads you to believe that the "survivalist" types were actually the cause of the war and fall of civilization.

The quality of story-telling/writing is certainly not on a par with Niven/Pournelle either.

They are both good reads, but not sure how one is an "offshoot" of the other.


Sorry, The Postman was plane and simple stolen from Lucifers Hammer. If you can't see that......................I believe plagiarism is the word.




Actually, I don't see it as stolen, although I do see how that statement would appear true.  The whole genre of post-apocalypse fiction is pretty formula driven.  Niven/Pournelle pretty much worked through the formula.  They weren't the first to use it, nor will Brin be the last.  

All of these type of novels have a lot of similarities.  Ravaging hordes of scavenging, cannabilisitic, religious zealot, survivalists, usually show up someplace in all of them.  As does the story of the poor modern guy thrust into having to survive in a suddenly non-modern world, destruction then reformation of community, and the rise back towards the future.

I don't see the 1/4 or so of overlap between the stories to be evidence of "plagiarism".  But then, that's the beauty of art, literature and creative works, we each see different things in them and take different things from them.

Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.  I just don't see an obvious ripoff being rewarded the way The Postman was.  The first two parts, The Postman, and Cyclops, each won a Hugo Award as the best Novella of their year.  The finished novel was the Campbell Award Best Science Fiction Novel of the Year when it came out.

Since I can't see that, I guess I'll just have to be  "......................."    



ETA:  In deference to your opinion I will, however, try to get a chance to read them both again, just to see if it strikes me differently this time.
10/13/2007 10:39:48 PM EDT
[#15]
I wonder where the .gov kept those crates of M14s they found, stored in the PNW???
10/13/2007 10:39:59 PM EDT
[#16]
I own the Postman, I found it entertaining.
10/13/2007 10:49:16 PM EDT
[#17]

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I wonder where the .gov kept those crates of M14s they found, stored in the PNW???


There used to be a several hundred of them in the arms room, halfway up the west ramp in Huskey Stadium.  Probably replaced with M16s by now, maybe not.  
10/13/2007 11:05:29 PM EDT
[#18]

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I wonder where the .gov kept those crates of M14s they found, stored in the PNW???


There used to be a several hundred of them in the arms room, halfway up the west ramp in Huskey Stadium.  Probably replaced with M16s by now, maybe not.  
Ya I doubt it, Most .U no longer maintain operational weapons, but borrow them from military units on a limited loan basis.
10/13/2007 11:20:08 PM EDT
[#19]
Did not know that.  When I was there they got a lot of use, at least once a week for drill, then about once a month in the field.  Went through a lot of 7.62, both blanks and live rounds.  Ammo, magazines, field gear, uniforms, etc were all kept in the QM storage room on the ground level next to the east ramp.  The indoor .22 range was west of campus a few blocks, down about 40th or so.  Lots of fun.

There is also a .22 indoor range that is still in use under the south stands at West Seattle Stadium, part of Seattle Parks Dept.

Stadiums in the area hold lots of interesting things.
10/14/2007 1:09:51 AM EDT
[#20]
One of the few movies I liked better than the book, which went off into some silly fantasy stuff in the end. But I liked the whole rebuilding the nation thing.

10/14/2007 6:07:35 AM EDT
[#21]

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I gave my copy away a while ago.


I own a copy of UC, that I see every so often at another LCRs house when I visit.



You gave yours away as well.
Ya and my copy is at someone elses house.

I am gonna read it today.  
10/14/2007 10:33:54 AM EDT
[#22]
Waterworld was a very entertaining movie IMO.  Think Mad Max, on the water.
10/14/2007 11:40:59 AM EDT
[#23]

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Did not know that.  When I was there they got a lot of use, at least once a week for drill, then about once a month in the field.  Went through a lot of 7.62, both blanks and live rounds.  Ammo, magazines, field gear, uniforms, etc were all kept in the QM storage room on the ground level next to the east ramp.  The indoor .22 range was west of campus a few blocks, down about 40th or so.  Lots of fun.

There is also a .22 indoor range that is still in use under the south stands at West Seattle Stadium, part of Seattle Parks Dept.

Stadiums in the area hold lots of interesting things.


I used to shoot there frequently. At one time that is where the Wa state indoor smallbore 4-p championships were held at.
10/14/2007 12:21:47 PM EDT
[#24]
some parts were mildly amusing.

overall it wasn't that good.

some of the acting was absolutly horrible.


Great plot though that was simply wasted.
10/14/2007 4:36:48 PM EDT
[#25]
LTG, I think I will do the same, both are worth a second or third read.