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9/14/2006 4:53:54 PM EDT

Quoted:Not only does arms parity protect the people from tyranny it also protects the nation from foreign invasion, the militia was the only reason the Japanese did not invade  mainland America.



Hey Stratiotes...  Where can I find some good reading material about this subject?  It has always been my understanding that the Japanese wouldnt attack due to civilian firearms ownership, i.e. CMP.  
9/14/2006 5:02:15 PM EDT
[#1]

Quoted:

Quoted:Not only does arms parity protect the people from tyranny it also protects the nation from foreign invasion, the militia was the only reason the Japanese did not invade  mainland America.



Hey Stratiotes...  Where can I find some good reading material about this subject?  It has always been my understanding that the Japanese wouldnt attack due to civilian firearms ownership, i.e. CMP.  


ya, or so I heard.
9/14/2006 5:27:40 PM EDT
[#2]
Google will supply a load of answers about the man but he was not the only one that studied American history and culture, the Swiss based their National defense system on the early American militia system.

During world war two in Europe at a international meeting a German general threatened a Swiss general by saying.
"My paratroopers outnumber you 6 to 1" what would you do if we invaded"

The general answered  "Take six shots each and go home"
9/14/2006 5:33:53 PM EDT
[#3]
This is a very interesting subject to me. I was born the day after Japan surrendered. My father (an Italian American by the way) translated for the US army in North Africa Sicily and of course Italy. I heard many stories from about 1958 or so on. (He would not talk about it before then) From his view the reason that Japan did not invade to the West was that they wanted to take Asia not the US. If Japan had not bombed Pearl they probably would have done that very thing. A few Generals sealed the fate of Japan.....just MHO. I do not think the Imperial Japanese Army was afraid of a citizen with a Springfield.
9/14/2006 5:43:29 PM EDT
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This is a very interesting subject to me. I was born the day after Japan surrendered. My father (an Italian American by the way) translated for the US army in North Africa Sicily and of course Italy. I heard many stories from about 1958 or so on. (He would not talk about it before then) From his view the reason that Japan did not invade to the West was that they wanted to take Asia not the US. If Japan had not bombed Pearl they probably would have done that very thing. A few Generals sealed the fate of Japan.....just MHO. I do not think the Imperial Japanese Army was afraid of a citizen with a Springfield.


Countless citizens with countless rifles...  Yes that would make a difference.  I think the reasoning behind the desire to attack CONUS was to weaken our forces in areas that they were actually interested in.  I do not believe that that japanese army wanted to actually "take over" the US
9/14/2006 5:48:54 PM EDT
[#5]

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Google will supply a load of answers about the man but he was not the only one that studied American history and culture, the Swiss based their National defense system on the early American militia system.

During world war two in Europe at a international meeting a German general threatened a Swiss general by saying.
"My paratroopers outnumber you 6 to 1" what would you do if we invaded"

The general answered  "Take six shots each and go home"


Easier said, than done or war sure would be alot easier and shorter.
9/14/2006 5:50:13 PM EDT
[#6]

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A few Generals sealed the fate of Japan.....just MHO. I do not think the Imperial Japanese Army was afraid of a citizen with a Springfield.


They most certainly were afraid of militia, it is now a indupustible fact FDR colluded to force the Japanese to attack Pearl harbor, no aircraft carriers were there just world war one vintage ships held together with rivets.

A man by the name Hartford Vandyke (U.S. forces radar operator stationed Hawaii )  witnessed the HI militia repel anphibious Jap attack on HI, there was a lot of cover up at the time and for years after of this event until recently when  declassified material confirmed two authors material printed in their book on Dec-7 attack.





9/14/2006 5:51:30 PM EDT
[#7]
I would guess in this day and age, the ten percent of the armed citizens would put up some kind of resistance. But most of that ten percent would run like lemmins at the sound of a rifle fired in their direction.
They might have the bravado but not the training to come under fire..those of you who have know what I am talking about.
9/14/2006 5:55:55 PM EDT
[#8]

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They might have the bravado but not the training to come under fire..those of you who have know what I am talking about.

Many Americans retain the military spirit that founded this nation, and most militias have their share of combat veterans in them, who do you think you are ? Major Pitcarn ?
9/14/2006 6:02:57 PM EDT
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I would guess in this day and age, the ten percent of the armed citizens would put up some kind of resistance. But most of that ten percent would run like lemmins at the sound of a rifle fired in their direction.
They might have the bravado but not the training to come under fire..those of you who have know what I am talking about.

Yes indeed the militia in the revolution broke and ran many times, they had no discipline. It took a professional soldier from another country to train and instruct our first professional army before we could win. Every militia in Iraq fought us for the first few minutes, after we reacted and put the hurt on them, they ran or died.
9/14/2006 6:28:27 PM EDT
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I would guess in this day and age, the ten percent of the armed citizens would put up some kind of resistance. But most of that ten percent would run like lemmins at the sound of a rifle fired in their direction.
They might have the bravado but not the training to come under fire..those of you who have know what I am talking about.

Yes indeed the militia in the revolution broke and ran many times, they had no discipline. It took a professional soldier from another country to train and instruct our first professional army before we could win. Every militia in Iraq fought us for the first few minutes, after we reacted and put the hurt on them, they ran or died.


The militia in iraq is still fighting, and getting some results...

Breaking contact is a tactically sound principle, when faced with a enemy who is superior.
9/14/2006 6:30:20 PM EDT
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9/14/2006 6:33:37 PM EDT
[#12]

“You cannot invade America. There is a rifle behind every blade of grass.” - Admiral Yamamoto


Well, at least, that is the story.

If you believe in private property, then you have a right to protect it. Otherwise, it's not private property.
9/14/2006 6:33:41 PM EDT
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The militia in iraq is still fighting, and getting some results...

Breaking contact is a tactically sound principle, when faced with a enemy who is superior.


They don't teach that in remedial army school...
9/14/2006 6:34:59 PM EDT
[#14]
Anyway...

Before this gets out of hand...  Are there any good books that deal with that particular subject? (plot to attack CONUS)
9/14/2006 6:43:02 PM EDT
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Anyway...

Before this gets out of hand...  Are there any good books that deal with that particular subject? (plot to attack CONUS)


Check out a book called  "The reluctant Admiral"


He is highly respected in Japan, and to a lesser extent, the U.S. for both tactical prowess and for preventing his men from committing war crimes.
9/14/2006 6:44:57 PM EDT
[#16]

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Anyway...

Before this gets out of hand...  Are there any good books that deal with that particular subject? (plot to attack CONUS)


Check out a book called  "The reluctant Admiral"


He is highly respected in Japan, and to a lesser extent, the U.S. for both tactical prowess and for preventing his men from committing war crimes.


Cool...  I have a week or so to read...  and Im in need of a good book
9/14/2006 6:47:02 PM EDT
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They might have the bravado but not the training to come under fire..those of you who have know what I am talking about.

Many Americans retain the military spirit that founded this nation, and most militias have their share of combat veterans in them, who do you think you are ? Major Pitcarn ?


Who are you? See you at the LCR a good debate I think.
9/14/2006 6:47:57 PM EDT
[#18]
Sniper fire and IED's.. need discipline to use those tactics?
9/14/2006 6:48:28 PM EDT
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They might have the bravado but not the training to come under fire..those of you who have know what I am talking about.

Many Americans retain the military spirit that founded this nation, and most militias have their share of combat veterans in them, who do you think you are ? Major Pitcarn ?


Who are you? See you at the LCR a good debate I think.
9/14/2006 7:02:51 PM EDT
[#20]

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Sniper fire and IED's.. need discipline to use those tactics?
It didnt do the IRA any good, England still controls NI. 2,600 KIAs and 8K casulaties after 3 years pf conflict in Iraq, to how many Insurgents? The reason they are getting results is that American politicians and its people are weak and have no staying power. I suppose we should just cut and run, leave the IRaqi people in a lurch.
9/14/2006 7:08:36 PM EDT
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Sniper fire and IED's.. need discipline to use those tactics?
It didnt do the IRA any good, England still controls NI. 2,600 KIAs and 8K casulaties after 3 years pf conflict in Iraq, to how many Insurgents? The reason they are getting results is that American politicians and its people are weak and have no staying power. I suppose we should just cut and run, leave the IRaqi people in a lurch.


Whats the "estimate" on the insurgency in Iraq? 20-50 thousand <deleted>?

If a conservative estimate on the ammount of Americans that would engage in a resistance of an invader was %.5.. thats 1-1.5 million.
9/14/2006 7:15:52 PM EDT
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They might have the bravado but not the training to come under fire..those of you who have know what I am talking about.

Many Americans retain the military spirit that founded this nation, and most militias have their share of combat veterans in them, who do you think you are ? Major Pitcarn ?


Who are you? See you at the LCR a good debate I think.


I just checked the LCR attendance list, your name does not seem to be on it? I will miss the debate if you do not show up. But then mabe wearing aftermarket Camo is the best you can do for your cause. Be very happy you live in a country that allows you to spout your views and does not lock you up in a prison for having them. I will tell you who I am right now though, I am an American never afraid to express my opinion. I am also a person that thinks all people (including you) have a right to their own ideals and opinions as long as they do not advocate Anarchy. God bless America
9/14/2006 7:16:02 PM EDT
[#23]

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Sniper fire and IED's.. need discipline to use those tactics?
It didnt do the IRA any good, England still controls NI. 2,600 KIAs and 8K casulaties after 3 years pf conflict in Iraq, to how many Insurgents? The reason they are getting results is that American politicians and its people are weak and have no staying power. I suppose we should just cut and run, leave the IRaqi people in a lurch.


Whats the "estimate" on the insurgency in Iraq? 20-50 thousand <deleted>?

If a conservative estimate on the ammount of Americans that would engage in a resistance of an invader was %.5.. thats 1-1.5 million.


20-50K insurgents? WE have maybe 130K troops in Iraq of the only maybe 25K are actual combat troops, the rest support. WIth those kinds of numbers(if they actually existed) they would be able to kick us out of Iraq. Havent seen any bases over-run in Iraq, with those kinds of numbers they would be able too.
9/14/2006 7:21:21 PM EDT
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Then there is the PLO and Hisb'allah. If the Qassam rocket plans get out, America's radicals could build them in the tens of thousands.

If somebody starts funding militant resistance inside the US, ala FARC, life could get difficult. You could drive BM21s, BM27s and pack loads of SA14s and RPGs across the southern border if you desired.

I'm sure somebody out there thinks that would be a great idea. (Hello China)
9/14/2006 7:28:55 PM EDT
[#25]
This should be locked before midnight......


9/14/2006 7:36:41 PM EDT
[#26]

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This should be locked before midnight......




I may make a pot of coffee...
9/14/2006 7:39:00 PM EDT
[#27]
No coffee for me but at 4AM this is going to be the first place I look at. (right after I pee) Good night and sleep well.
9/14/2006 7:51:29 PM EDT
[#28]
Woohoo

one mod is on the coffee and the other is clearing the fridge of misc adult beverages!
9/14/2006 7:53:24 PM EDT
[#29]

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This should be locked before midnight......




I may make a pot of coffee...


Irish coffeeMmmmm
9/14/2006 7:58:36 PM EDT
[#30]

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Woohoo

one mod is on the coffee and the other is clearing the fridge of misc adult beverages!


I said "may".... hell, I don't even know how to make coffee. Liquor on the other hand...well
9/14/2006 8:00:12 PM EDT
[#31]

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Woohoo

one mod is on the coffee and the other is clearing the fridge of misc adult beverages!


I said "may".... hell, I don't even know how to make coffee. Liquor on the other hand...well



it's not hard to open a bottle of vokda is it?
9/14/2006 8:09:06 PM EDT
[#32]
I got this coffee maker for Christmas.

I bought the booze to toast with Matt45 for the Spring SCR I didn't make it to.

9/14/2006 8:15:25 PM EDT
[#33]

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I got this coffee maker for Christmas.

I bought the booze to toast with Matt45 for the Spring SCR I didn't make it to.

pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL77/858902/1551961/187381768.jpg

If Matt45 finds out that he missed out on a bottle of that, he will have a heart-attack.
9/14/2006 8:19:36 PM EDT
[#34]

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Woohoo

one mod is on the coffee and the other is clearing the fridge of misc adult beverages!


I said "may".... hell, I don't even know how to make coffee. Liquor on the other hand...well



it's not hard to open a bottle of vokda is it?


It depends much on the time of day.
9/14/2006 8:20:59 PM EDT
[#35]

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I got this coffee maker for Christmas.

I bought the booze to toast with Matt45 for the Spring SCR I didn't make it to.

pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL77/858902/1551961/187381768.jpg

If Matt45 finds out that he missed out on a bottle of that, he will have a heart-attack.


It's still sealed now isn't it?  
9/14/2006 8:24:25 PM EDT
[#36]

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Sniper fire and IED's.. need discipline to use those tactics?
It didnt do the IRA any good, England still controls NI. 2,600 KIAs and 8K casulaties after 3 years pf conflict in Iraq, to how many Insurgents? The reason they are getting results is that American politicians and its people are weak and have no staying power. I suppose we should just cut and run, leave the IRaqi people in a lurch.



 Perhaps the English have a bit more political backbone than we do these days.

   Forget the body count thing here. It's about political and or religious fever(will) here that counts. they will keep sacrificing themselves and other innocents and not so Innocent's until we pick up our playthings and go home. You know they understand the political physic in the west. I'm sure they hav lots of Patience.
9/14/2006 8:32:34 PM EDT
[#37]

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Sniper fire and IED's.. need discipline to use those tactics?
It didnt do the IRA any good, England still controls NI. 2,600 KIAs and 8K casulaties after 3 years pf conflict in Iraq, to how many Insurgents? The reason they are getting results is that American politicians and its people are weak and have no staying power. I suppose we should just cut and run, leave the IRaqi people in a lurch.



 Perhaps the English have a bit more political backbone than we do these days.

   Forget the body count thing here. It's about political and or religious fever(will) here that counts. they will keep sacrificing themselves and other innocents and not so Innocent's until we pick up our playthings and go home. You know they understand the political physic in the west. I'm sure they hav lots of Patience.


I never said they(leaders)where stupid, ofcourse they understand, look at Vietnam. We lost no battles, our hands where tied by politics(couldnt invade N.V.)and our people lost heart, we pulled out and left thousands of people to the slaughter. The same will happen in Iraq, we have to stay until somekind of strong government is established and they can defend themselves. Will it be a democracy nope, probably not, do I care no, but hopefully something will come out of it and establish somekind of security for these people. I'm not insensitive to these Arab people or their religion like some people here, I hope all the best for them, they deserve a future.
9/14/2006 8:54:55 PM EDT
[#38]

I'm not insensitive to these Arab people or their religion like some people here, I hope all the best for them, they deserve a future.


I think that was the idea, all along. As long as it goes for everybody, including Israel and every other non muslim country.