Posted: 7/29/2006 12:06:46 AM EDT
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Some of you that know me, may realize I identify with my Irish roots fairly strongly...or at least it give me an excuse to drink Jamison/Bushmills, Guinness/beer, get drunk, listen to Irish Modern/punk/traditional music while breaking things. Flogging Molly, for fans of the music, has a new album/DVD out. The documentary is as entertaining as the music as ever is. BTW- If you're a fan of the Pouges, Sex Pistols, Treaditional Irish Music. The Clash or folk music, I'm willing to wager the price of the CD you'll |
Ahhh...my own personal stumbling block, the IRA I was never raised to lean to one side or the other, but my eyes are as green as the day is long. I don't see where the IRA comes into Floggin Molly, as I can't find a single lyric directly supportive of the IRA.... But, shit, since we are headed there: Fuck the RUC, & Up the Republic.  Sien Fein? Slainte!!!!!!!! (Pronounced "Slaan-Cha", meaning "To your Health" for you heathens) Go ahead, compare me to a Hamas supporter...I care less. I've this to say in those regards- I've been to the country, and support the cause. What I don't support is the more radical factions that encourage indescriminate bombings and attacks. I don't support the communist/marxist ideology of those "fringe" IRA groups, but do support the ideal that the Queen needs to take her hands the fuck off of the Emerald Isle. I fuly support the political arm, and that organization has been successful in securing many freedoms and liberties. |
No I think you are most here would consider you our very own JBT before a Hamas supporter.  Besides we all know there are only two kinds of music. Country and western. 
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), why should the UK leave Ireland? Wasn't Ireland defeated and forced in to the UK fair and square? I mean, they lost, time to get over it right?
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I really enjoy FM's music. Do I sympathize with the IRA? Well, a helluva lot more than I do with the UK. Some of their tactics that strike non-governmental targets distress me, however. Both have their flaws, but I'll never support a socialist police state. How would you all feel if a bunch of Mexicans declared control of America and tried to retain it by force? I'd imagine that would be exactly how some of the Irish feel. Some of you might not get the humor here, but a joke I came up with a while back is that if Iraq was liberated because it had a police state, why the hell were the pinko UK collectivists allowed to play a part in rebuilding it? From news reports I've seen, I'd rather live in pre-war Iraq than the UK. I'll take third world over industrialized police state any day of the week. Anyway, I'm rushed and can't finish what all I wanted to. Gotta get a shower and be productive for once. 
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Do you have a recommended CD to start with? I generally prefer live recordings. |
Amy said it's the female term for spanking your monkey. ETA, here's their website, you can listen to samples of the music through a player on lower right. We like traditional folk medieval type music, so far this sounds good. |
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Oooops, working 6 days a week and being up for 24 hours straight, makes Skeeter a wee bit absentminded. Here's the link. Flogging Molly ETA: FM sounds good, thanks for the heads up, Matt. |
If its not from SCOTLAND, its CRAP!!! |
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He's right....
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You should take a lesson from American militia, at least they know how to defeat the British while the Irish are still whining over a crop failure centuries ago. |
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I guess the (Active) army under Washington and other commanders had nothing to due with their defeat either riiight? |
Silence war criminal!
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Thank you Sir, may I have another. 
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Maybe the IRA are still waiting for the French naval forces to show up? |
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Yes but didn't the English had German merc's. |
Many people do, it's not an uncommon occurance. |
Hessians. |
I guess the (Active) army under Washington and other commanders had nothing to due with their defeat either riiight? Maybe the IRA are still waiting for the French naval forces to show up? Guess he forgot about that little bit of aid our nation recieved. Many people do, it's not an uncommon occurance. Someone that is so versed in the Constitution and channels the founding fathers, should know better though. |
Come on man don't get this locked too.... I thought Hessians were Germans. Or are they Austrians? |
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The French speeded up the defeat of Cornwallis but were not necessary, Washington and the CA were most ineffective, the partisons in south had the most dramatic effect on the defeat of Cornwallis. The atrocities of the tories and british troops lost the majority of public support and eventually the war, the killing of non-combatants using indescrimnate weapons has the same effect the tories and british troops had on public opinion. Those same mistakes are also being made in Iraq and Afghanistan and losing public support for the war. Music is a very powerful tool and especially folk music as a way to enlighten the public, it can be both entertainment and educational, FM has too many notes for my taste, they not bad I do listen to them on occasion but not as much the traditional Irish folk music. |
As colorful as Amy's definition, the band name came from the fact that in te early days they were simply "floggin" about at Molly Malone's, an Irish-American pub in Los Angeles. It really has nothing to do with female mastrubation, but it's nice thought all the same. 
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Oh, no. You ever been to the South? People are sore losers wehen it comes to war. Just start a Civil War thread in GD!  Oh yeah, four pages. |
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When I was down in San Diego from January to June of this year, one of my favorite things to do was go to the local punk bar and down shots of Jamisons while listening to the Dropkick Murphys with my work buddies. Those of you who have met me would find this rather strange behavior from me, but hell, I can't get enough of the Irish. Especially da wimmenz....  Chris (who has a soft spot for greaser/punk/goth chicks with tattoos and 50's style hairdo's) |
Hoot, mon!  The Corries rule! Well, they would if one of 'em hadn't died...  The Wicked Tinkers are awesome--biggest reasom I go to Highland Festivals is for the music. When we went Sunday we took a friend who is of Scottish descent, and does SCA stuff. (I told her that the differance between a Hghland Festival and an SCA event is that at the SCA thing you have a better chance of runinng into people who are into it for fun, and have a realistic idea of just how little history is involved...  )More significantly, England's supression of The '45 was harsher, and the Highland Clearances were far worse than anyythng they did to the Irish. The Potato Famine was not the English' fault, although they certainly didn't do much to alleviate it... Never mind. Might as well start a NG v Militia thread... |
1) The Militia only really "defeated" the Redcoats in two major battles, Lexington/Concord, and the Siege of Boston. They served well under commanders who knew how to use them--see Greene and Morgan in the south, Arnold, Greene and Morgan at Saratoga--and caused the British enough grief in other battles to justify their use. But their performance was spotty--they were often poorly trained, drilled, lead, and disciplined. (In other words, NOT "well-regulated.") That the Militia defeated the British in the American Revolution has become known to military historians as "The Myth of the Militia", and would cause pronblems for military planners as late as the Civil War. 2) The Potato Famine was more than a half-century after the Revolution. |
I was bothered by the IRA-Germany connection, but did some research- it pretty much sums up like this: The IRA did have some ties to Germany, in '16 and through til WWII. It was only certian factions and wasn't a politcal or ideoligical thing. Both the Irish and Germans (Later the Nazi's) saw it as a "Enemy of my Enemy" situation and took advantage of that. From a third person perspective, I can see how the Brits would view that as treason, as they felt they were the rightful governing power and all..... The same thing goes for the Libya-IRA connection. Libya was an international arms bazaar, and would cut good deals for anyone willing to cause trouble in the West. |
In The Easter Uprising the Germans shipped the IRA weapons, ammunition, etc. In WWII the Irish Republic had been formed, and evidently many Irishmen--citizens of the Irish Republic, that is--joined the Crown forces*, as Eire was neutral. I've heard Eire described as "The most neutral nation on earth", although I can't remember when or where, and would like to see proof that it is "more neutral" than Sweden or Switzerland. *Paddy Clancy, of the Clancy Brothers' fame, was a Sergeant Major in the RAF. |
True, and as stated above, the Nazi-IRA connection was limited to a small slice of the Republican movement. Ireland's nuetrality, IMHO, was more of an official government position, and not a limiting factor of emotion/position across the country. On one hand you had hardcore IRA willing to do harm to the UK/Crown at almost any cost, then you had a large portion who served as Mr. Clancy did, and then again you had a portion that professed nuetrality...I've also heard/read that the IRA agreed to/or offered a cease fire until the completion of hostilities in the european theater. Like I said, I was bothered by the connection of Nazism to the IRA, but upon research and examination, it's a limited problem and not one based in or connected to the IRA ideology. |
What the Brits did is a far cry from some US troops roughing up some Iraqi POWs and taking pics. Take a reality pill, when you learn something of warfare and exp. it first hand call me. |
Gotta agree with 161 on this (as much as it pains me) What the brits have done has made what small infractions a limited few of our own have done a pittance compared to brit brutality. Thats why I tend to have more support for the Irish seperatists then the brits on this subject. Just like with the dumbassed ranger who robbed the bank..don't let a few bad apples tarnish an otherwise stellar orginisation. I've a few friends in the Ranger regiment...well, used to back when I worked at the bullseye and used to sell them guns for a living, and they were all fine, upstanding great guys. can't blame all for the actions of a few. Chris |
It is a very old Gwarfare tactic, wearing civilian clothes and escaping after attacking through civilian neighborhoods, when the Soldier chase the enemy through the town/city they have no way to tell the difference between a freindly and a hostie, they all look the same to the Soldier, video games were used as detonators for IED's so everything that could be used against the Soldiers was taken,(plenty of photos in GD of just that) men of military age were questioned and houses search, there was no local insurgency before the Soldiers raided the town but there certainly was after, and this tactic has been used for thousands of years with the same results. |