Posted: 2/10/2006 4:21:55 PM EDT
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I was looking on gunbroker at a krinkov kit and the seller stated that it was not legal to own full auto components in WA state and if the buyer was from WA the bolt would not be included. I did a little snooping on the internet but couldnt find what I was looking for. I know that MGs are prohibited(I see how the .gov would ban parts as well) but are parts? Thanks, BJohnson |
Yes parts are illegal.
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Okay, I'm just playin' here, but let's look at 9.41.010: the word "and" in the phrase having a rate of five or more shots per second tells me that if it shoots 4.5 rounds per second, I should be okay--yes?hat Trey |
Assuming you can find an MG with a sub 300rd per minute ROF you'll still be in violation of Federal Law.
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The last I saw Big Al about was about 10 years ago. He was working in an attorneys office out of Sumner. He's friends with one of the Corliss Concrete sons. My understanding.... When I ordered my krink kits they swapped out the fire control for semi auto and sent the bolt. So if the ass hat takes the bolt but sends you the full auto fire control you could land in the poky. |
| The way I understood the law was the firing control group not the bolt. I dont think the bolt has anything to do with that. I could see the possibility of the carrier but in that case all you would have to do is grind down one spot on it to make it semi. The word "solely" means just that. The bolt and carrier can be used in any semi auto AK not just a full auto but the FCG in a full auto kit is designed "solely" for a full auto AK47. That is my understanding of the law but a call to the Attorney General might help clarify. |
You guys pardon my ignorance but...
What the word "exception" actually means there???  First time I read those stuff I thoght it meand "not included" in the "illegal firearms" list. |
More than one RCW contains the prohibition on parts
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Feel free. All you would have to do is have something altered out of state and have it transferred in. Get an M11/9 with a TASK SLOWFIRE tuned down to say 250rds/min. then have it transferred to a C3 and then to you under the guise that it doesn't fit the definition of a WA ST MG. (This may be a lot more work than is worth it, considering you could semi-auto your finger faster than 250 rds/min, but that's not the point  ) Maybe they wouldn't like the open-bolt nature of the M11/9... You might have to "go electronic" and have a regulator put on the trip.... Yea - kinda more work than its worth...
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So all you guys with parts kits, what exactly do you throw out of them??????? I had mine shipped to me without the firing control parts. The bolt has nothing to do with F/A but the carrier does have a little notch on it that would need to be ground off. Could someone please clarify as this is really confusing? |
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glad I saw this. I was going to buy a HK33 fullauto bolt carrier to use in my HK93, is this illigal or not in WA? the carier can be used in both a FA and SA. Or do I have to have the carrier milled to remove the FA feature. The carrier itself cant make a Hk FA. I was told Vector can ship their V93 with the HK33 full auto carrier into WA only in a complete gun, but not just the carrier seperate........which makes "perfect" (LOL) sense ;) |
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Landpimp, that sounds about right. Since the part works in both, it is not a "part designed and intended solely and exclusively for use in a machine gun"; both from a functional standpoint, as well as constructive since they sell whole S/A rifles with this same part. And it sounds like Vector wants to rely on the very same logic by selling a whole-rifle but not risk a lone part, even though it fails the "sorta pregnant" test. ASK101 - I can't speak to personal experience but typically I understand if such a kit were received, individuals usually toss such items as auto-sears, disconnectors, ratchets, relative pins, etc... Some of them can be salvaged by grinding off the auto-trips or such, where applicable, but generally it's not worth the effort if you're just going to buy an after-market Semi-Auto US-part-count Fire Control Group anyway. IIRC, many of the "whole-AK-rifles" come with F/A bolt carriers already installed since its an interchangable part. |
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Yeah this wording needs to be clarified. Obviously it was written by some lawyer who doesn't know much about guns. The auto sears and parts like that are obvious. The bolt has nothing to do with anything and the carrier doesn't either unless it has those other parts that are "solely" for a f/a. I am sure plenty of people on here have built a kit. I assume everyone is using the carrier. |
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Really? Wow. I figure "intended solely and exclusively for use in a machine gun" is pretty black and white from a statutory perspective. Now I wholly agree you will find prosecutorial-ambivalence inside the PA's subjective-discretion and interpretation, but this is attached to just about every statute that doesn't have mounds of case history on it; and personally, I'd like to see us leave this sleeping dog lie (unless you're going to have it removed). Sometimes it's the devil that you know.... |
| Big Al still owes me money which I paid him to supposedly join the WAC about 18 years ago. I filled out a form and he dropped my money into a large glass pickle jar he had sitting on the counter. That was the last I ever seen of it. I'm sure the form I filled out went into the circular file. Funny thing about this is that I wasn't the only one who experienced this. |