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Posted: 2/7/2006 2:07:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/7/2006 2:15:40 PM EDT by PCR-00]
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 2:10:23 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 2:12:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/7/2006 2:13:35 PM EDT by R-32]
When was the last time we had a Militia topic?...

Link Posted: 2/7/2006 2:15:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By R-32:
When was the last time we had a Militia topic?...




Good point...fine, fixt





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MILITIA!!!! Wait a minute! I'm putting it back, it's MY thread!
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 2:19:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PCR-00:
Good point...fine, fixt


MILITIA!!!! Wait a minute! I'm putting it back, it's MY thread!



Much better!

Link Posted: 2/7/2006 2:26:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/7/2006 2:27:27 PM EDT by Hoot_223rem]
Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Link Posted: 2/7/2006 2:27:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/7/2006 2:30:51 PM EDT by 1GUNRUNNER]
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 2:30:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1GUNRUNNER:
www.ar15.mcternen.com/banghead.gif


Welcome to the Phil & Strat Show!




exaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa­actly!
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 2:32:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PCR-00:

Originally Posted By 1GUNRUNNER:
www.ar15.mcternen.com/banghead.gif


Welcome to the Phil & Strat Show!




exaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa­actly!



One needs to be in camo, and the other needs to have a leather mask and ballgag on.

Link Posted: 2/7/2006 2:43:55 PM EDT

Man in the Arena


"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."

"Citizenship in a Republic,"
Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910

Link Posted: 2/7/2006 3:08:43 PM EDT


Damn Strat, you have a quote for everything. And right now too. None of this fumbling around looking for one either.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 3:41:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 4:43:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By STRATIOTES:

Man in the Arena


"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."

"Citizenship in a Republic,"
Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910



Excellent speech by the man himself.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 6:20:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 8:52:55 PM EDT
So who is the militia?
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 8:56:28 PM EDT

"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress shall have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the People."
— Tench Coxe, 1788.

Link Posted: 2/7/2006 9:02:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/7/2006 9:03:38 PM EDT by JS98010]

Originally Posted By RS_Coyote:
So who is the militia?



Do you really want to know?






RCW 38.04.030
Composition of the militia.


The militia of the state of Washington shall consist of all able bodied citizens of the United States and all other able bodied persons who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, residing within this state, who shall be more than eighteen years of age, and shall include all persons who are members of the national guard and the state guard, and said militia shall be divided into two classes, the organized militia and the unorganized militia.

[1989 c 19 § 3; 1973 1st ex.s. c 154 § 55; 1963 c 74 § 1; 1943 c 130 § 2; Rem. Supp. 1943 § 8603-2. Prior: 1917 c 107 § 1; 1909 c 134 § 2; 1895 c 108 § 2.]





RCW 38.04.040
Composition of organized militia.


The organized militia of Washington shall consist of the commissioned officers, warrant officers, enlisted persons, organizations, staffs, corps, and departments of the regularly commissioned, warranted and enlisted militia of the state, organized and maintained pursuant to law. Its numerical strength, composition, distribution, organization, arms, uniforms, equipment, training and discipline shall be prescribed by the governor in conformity with, and subject to the limitations imposed by the laws and regulations of the United States and the laws of this state: PROVIDED, HOWEVER, That the minimum enlisted strength of the organized militia of this state shall never be less than two thousand. The organized militia may include persons residing outside the state of Washington.

[1989 c 19 § 4; 1943 c 130 § 4; Rem. Supp. 1943 § 8603-4. Prior: 1917 c 107 § 3. Cf. 1909 c 108 § 10, part; 1895 c 108 § 10, part.]




RCW 38.16.040
State guard reserve.


In order to afford the utmost protection to the state of Washington and to the lives and property of citizens thereof, in times of emergency or anticipation thereof, the governor, through the state military department may provide for the organization and training of state guard reserve companies in communities not allocated a federally recognized or authorized state guard unit.

[1943 c 130 § 86; Rem. Supp. 1943 § 8603-86.]


Link Posted: 2/7/2006 9:07:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/7/2006 9:07:46 PM EDT by Hoot_223rem]


That looks more like a group of anti Gun socialist liberals
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 9:08:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JS98010:

Originally Posted By RS_Coyote:
So who is the militia?



Do you really want to know?
www2.ups.edu/dsa/photoalbum/2004-2005/PrideParade/pride_parade02_full.jpg
seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2005/06/18/2002340913.jpg




RCW 38.04.030
Composition of the militia.


The militia of the state of Washington shall consist of all able bodied citizens of the United States and all other able bodied persons who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, residing within this state, who shall be more than eighteen years of age, and shall include all persons who are members of the national guard and the state guard, and said militia shall be divided into two classes, the organized militia and the unorganized militia.

[1989 c 19 § 3; 1973 1st ex.s. c 154 § 55; 1963 c 74 § 1; 1943 c 130 § 2; Rem. Supp. 1943 § 8603-2. Prior: 1917 c 107 § 1; 1909 c 134 § 2; 1895 c 108 § 2.]





RCW 38.04.040
Composition of organized militia.


The organized militia of Washington shall consist of the commissioned officers, warrant officers, enlisted persons, organizations, staffs, corps, and departments of the regularly commissioned, warranted and enlisted militia of the state, organized and maintained pursuant to law. Its numerical strength, composition, distribution, organization, arms, uniforms, equipment, training and discipline shall be prescribed by the governor in conformity with, and subject to the limitations imposed by the laws and regulations of the United States and the laws of this state: PROVIDED, HOWEVER, That the minimum enlisted strength of the organized militia of this state shall never be less than two thousand. The organized militia may include persons residing outside the state of Washington.

[1989 c 19 § 4; 1943 c 130 § 4; Rem. Supp. 1943 § 8603-4. Prior: 1917 c 107 § 3. Cf. 1909 c 108 § 10, part; 1895 c 108 § 10, part.]




RCW 38.16.040
State guard reserve.


In order to afford the utmost protection to the state of Washington and to the lives and property of citizens thereof, in times of emergency or anticipation thereof, the governor, through the state military department may provide for the organization and training of state guard reserve companies in communities not allocated a federally recognized or authorized state guard unit.

[1943 c 130 § 86; Rem. Supp. 1943 § 8603-86.]





You forgot who they are required to report to


RCW 38.08.050
Governor may order out unorganized militia.


In event of, or imminent danger of, war, insurrection, rebellion, invasion, tumult, riot, resistance to law or process or breach of the peace, if the governor shall have ordered into active service all of the available forces of the organized militia of Washington and shall consider them insufficient in number to properly accomplish the purpose, he or she may then in addition order out the unorganized militia or such portion thereof as he may deem necessary, and cause them to perform such military duty as the circumstances may require.

Link Posted: 2/7/2006 9:10:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hoot_223rem:
www2.ups.edu/dsa/photoalbum/2004-2005/PrideParade/pride_parade02_full.jpg

That looks more like a group of anti Gun socialist liberals



While that my very well be true, I'd love to see their reactions when SHTF and Her Majesty, Queen Christine The Unelected activates them under RCW 38.04.030.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 9:12:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Phil_in_Seattle:
You forgot who they are required to report to


RCW 38.08.050
Governor may order out unorganized militia.


In event of, or imminent danger of, war, insurrection, rebellion, invasion, tumult, riot, resistance to law or process or breach of the peace, if the governor shall have ordered into active service all of the available forces of the organized militia of Washington and shall consider them insufficient in number to properly accomplish the purpose, he or she may then in addition order out the unorganized militia or such portion thereof as he may deem necessary, and cause them to perform such military duty as the circumstances may require.




No, I didn't forget. I just didn't want to be reminded who the authority is under RCW 38.08.050.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 9:12:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JS98010:
Do you really want to know?



The term militia has many meanings, it is a verb more than a noun, it is the action of defending the country.



#
"The highest number to which a standing army can be carried in any country does not exceed one hundredth part of the souls, or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This portion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Besides the advantage of being armed, it forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. The governments of Europe are afraid to trust the people with arms. If they did, the people would surely shake off the yoke of tyranny, as America did. Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession than the debased subjects of arbitrary power would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors.
........James Madison, principal author of Constitution, principal writer of The Federalist Papers, President of the United States, Mainstream Revolutionary and Militant.



The militia is not under control of the corporate state, the militia is under the control of the common people.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 9:15:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By STRATIOTES:

The term militia has many meanings, it is a verb more than a noun, it is the action of defending the country.




A verb?
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 9:16:45 PM EDT

1: civilians trained as soldiers but not part of the regular army
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 9:20:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JS98010:

Originally Posted By STRATIOTES:

The term militia has many meanings, it is a verb more than a noun, it is the action of defending the country.




A verb?



It is the Latin roots that define it as a verb, english is a composit of languages latin and greek are just two.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 9:20:53 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 9:22:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By STRATIOTES:

Originally Posted By JS98010:

Originally Posted By STRATIOTES:

The term militia has many meanings, it is a verb more than a noun, it is the action of defending the country.




A verb?



It is the Latin roots that define it as a verb, english is a composit of languages latin and greek are just two.



The meaning of "militia"

The word "militia" is a Latin abstract noun, meaning "military service", not an "armed group" (with the connotation of plurality), and that is the way the Latin-literate Founders used it. The collective term, meaning "army" or "soldiery" was "volgus militum". Since for the Romans "military service" included law enforcement and disaster response, it might be more meaningfully translated today as "defense service", associated with a "defense duty", which attaches to individuals as much as to groups of them, organized or otherwise.

When we are alone, we are all militias of one. When together with others in a situation requiring a defensive response, we have the duty to act together in concert to meet the challenge. Those two component duties, of individuals to defend the community, and to act together in concert with others present, when combined with a third component duty to prepare to do one's duty and not just wait until the danger is clear and present, comprises the militia duty
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 9:24:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JS98010:
This is a really neat twist on things



that isnt really because it is a government controlled entity
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 9:25:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/7/2006 9:26:08 PM EDT by Hoot_223rem]


§ 311. Militia: composition and classes




(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.





Link Posted: 2/7/2006 9:26:15 PM EDT
Looks like we agree
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 9:29:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/7/2006 9:32:02 PM EDT by R-32]

Originally Posted By Hoot_223rem:

1: civilians trained as soldiers but not part of the regular army




Slippery....

And as for your comment on the PLU students...They are just as much a part as you or I...

Link Posted: 2/7/2006 9:30:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By R-32:

Originally Posted By Hoot_223rem:

1: civilians trained as soldiers but not part of the regular army




Slippery....




No, this is slippery:
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 9:37:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JS98010:

Originally Posted By R-32:

Originally Posted By Hoot_223rem:

1: civilians trained as soldiers but not part of the regular army




Slippery....




No, this is slippery:
www.modern-rx.com/astroglide_1.jpg



Is that anything like this?...

Link Posted: 2/7/2006 9:40:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/7/2006 9:48:45 PM EDT by Hoot_223rem]

Originally Posted By R-32:

Originally Posted By JS98010:

Originally Posted By R-32:

Originally Posted By Hoot_223rem:

1: civilians trained as soldiers but not part of the regular army




Slippery....




No, this is slippery:
www.modern-rx.com/astroglide_1.jpg



Is that anything like this?...

images.amazon.com/images/P/B000644H90.01-ACO79F85RRNE2._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg



and you know about it? lol
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 9:55:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hoot_223rem:

Originally Posted By R-32:

Originally Posted By JS98010:

Originally Posted By R-32:

Originally Posted By Hoot_223rem:

1: civilians trained as soldiers but not part of the regular army




Slippery....




No, this is slippery:
www.modern-rx.com/astroglide_1.jpg



Is that anything like this?...

images.amazon.com/images/P/B000644H90.01-ACO79F85RRNE2._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg



and you know about it? lol



No Hoot...That is why I was asking!..

Attention to detail...


Link Posted: 2/7/2006 10:16:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/7/2006 10:17:31 PM EDT by Hoot_223rem]
riggggghhhhhtttttt!!!!

lol, thought u knew all about it
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 10:19:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hoot_223rem:
riggggghhhhhtttttt!!!!

lol, thought u knew all about it



Why would you think that?...
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 10:24:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By R-32:

Originally Posted By Hoot_223rem:
riggggghhhhhtttttt!!!!

lol, thought u knew all about it



Why would you think that?...




Just givin ya shit for that picture
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 10:32:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hoot_223rem:

Originally Posted By R-32:

Originally Posted By Hoot_223rem:
riggggghhhhhtttttt!!!!

lol, thought u knew all about it



Why would you think that?...




Just givin ya shit for that picture



I dont get it....

Link Posted: 2/7/2006 10:36:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By R-32:


Is that anything like this?...

images.amazon.com/images/P/B000644H90.01-ACO79F85RRNE2._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Link Posted: 2/8/2006 4:55:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/8/2006 4:56:18 PM EDT by Hoot_223rem]

Every child in America should be acquainted with his own country. He should read books that furnish him with ideas that will be useful to him in life and practice. As soon as he opens his lips, he should rehearse the history of his own country.

Noah Webster, On the Education of Youth in America, 1788




Government, in my humble opinion, should be formed to secure and to enlarge the exercise of the natural rights of its members; and every government, which has not this in view, as its principal object, is not a government of the legitimate kind.

James Wilson, Lectures on Law, 1791





Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.

Patrick Henry, speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

Link Posted: 2/8/2006 5:02:22 PM EDT
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