Posted: 1/14/2015 11:14:32 AM EDT
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I haven't been to Ben Avery in years. A buddy wants to hook up there to shoot.
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Quoted: RSO Nazis jump your shit if you remove your glasses to look thru your spotting scope at your target, even when the tables either side of you are un-occupied. someone needs a college course in common sense.  When they are dealing with hundreds of shooters of varying knowledge and skill (or lack of both) with regard to shooting, I can completely understand why they use objective safety measures rather than be subjective. It's infinitely easier for the few RO's to just have to have everyone keep eye pro on, rather than have a list of exceptions to run down each time they see someone without it on. |
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When they are dealing with hundreds of shooters of varying knowledge and skill (or lack of both) with regard to shooting, I can completely understand why they use objective safety measures rather than be subjective. It's infinitely easier for the few RO's to just have to have everyone keep eye pro on, rather than have a list of exceptions to run down each time they see someone without it on. Quoted:
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RSO Nazis jump your shit if you remove your glasses to look thru your spotting scope at your target, even when the tables either side of you are un-occupied. someone needs a college course in common sense. When they are dealing with hundreds of shooters of varying knowledge and skill (or lack of both) with regard to shooting, I can completely understand why they use objective safety measures rather than be subjective. It's infinitely easier for the few RO's to just have to have everyone keep eye pro on, rather than have a list of exceptions to run down each time they see someone without it on. my vision is such that I can't focus the image in the spotting scope with my glasses on, which I tried to explain to him. range Nazi wouldn't listen to any reason, was only obeying orders. |
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When they are dealing with hundreds of shooters of varying knowledge and skill (or lack of both) with regard to shooting, I can completely understand why they use objective safety measures rather than be subjective. It's infinitely easier for the few RO's to just have to have everyone keep eye pro on, rather than have a list of exceptions to run down each time they see someone without it on. Quoted:
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RSO Nazis jump your shit if you remove your glasses to look thru your spotting scope at your target, even when the tables either side of you are un-occupied. someone needs a college course in common sense. When they are dealing with hundreds of shooters of varying knowledge and skill (or lack of both) with regard to shooting, I can completely understand why they use objective safety measures rather than be subjective. It's infinitely easier for the few RO's to just have to have everyone keep eye pro on, rather than have a list of exceptions to run down each time they see someone without it on. I used to volunteer as an RSO at Ben Avery. Quit when another RSO made it his mission to make my wife and kids miserable when they showed up to shoot. Stood right behind them when they were at the shooting table and yelled at them at the top of his lungs about everything. Even after other RSOs told him they were being safe and not breaking any rules. My wife left in tears. Now I have a green card and shoot far away from the main range. The Practical Pistol range at Ben Avery is very nice. And no RSOs to hassle you. |
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I used to volunteer as an RSO at Ben Avery. Quit when another RSO made it his mission to make my wife and kids miserable when they showed up to shoot. Stood right behind them when they were at the shooting table and yelled at them at the top of his lungs about everything. Even after other RSOs told him they were being safe and not breaking any rules. My wife left in tears. Now I have a green card and shoot far away from the main range. The Practical Pistol range at Ben Avery is very nice. And no RSOs to hassle you. Quoted:
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RSO Nazis jump your shit if you remove your glasses to look thru your spotting scope at your target, even when the tables either side of you are un-occupied. someone needs a college course in common sense. When they are dealing with hundreds of shooters of varying knowledge and skill (or lack of both) with regard to shooting, I can completely understand why they use objective safety measures rather than be subjective. It's infinitely easier for the few RO's to just have to have everyone keep eye pro on, rather than have a list of exceptions to run down each time they see someone without it on. I used to volunteer as an RSO at Ben Avery. Quit when another RSO made it his mission to make my wife and kids miserable when they showed up to shoot. Stood right behind them when they were at the shooting table and yelled at them at the top of his lungs about everything. Even after other RSOs told him they were being safe and not breaking any rules. My wife left in tears. Now I have a green card and shoot far away from the main range. The Practical Pistol range at Ben Avery is very nice. And no RSOs to hassle you. I don't know what it is about being an RSO that attracts some true assholes. Rio Salado is great for that. I love being screamed at by an 89 year old RSO for carrying a bag that contains only ammo during a cease fire (just nicely ask me if I'm carrying a gun before you yell), only to have a different 101 year old RSO finger fuck and draw his hammer down 1911 from his Uncle Mike's holster during the next cease fire without caring. Weird place. |
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I used to volunteer as an RSO at Ben Avery. Quit when another RSO made it his mission to make my wife and kids miserable when they showed up to shoot. Stood right behind them when they were at the shooting table and yelled at them at the top of his lungs about everything. Even after other RSOs told him they were being safe and not breaking any rules. My wife left in tears. Now I have a green card and shoot far away from the main range. The Practical Pistol range at Ben Avery is very nice. And no RSOs to hassle you. Quoted:
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RSO Nazis jump your shit if you remove your glasses to look thru your spotting scope at your target, even when the tables either side of you are un-occupied. someone needs a college course in common sense. When they are dealing with hundreds of shooters of varying knowledge and skill (or lack of both) with regard to shooting, I can completely understand why they use objective safety measures rather than be subjective. It's infinitely easier for the few RO's to just have to have everyone keep eye pro on, rather than have a list of exceptions to run down each time they see someone without it on. I used to volunteer as an RSO at Ben Avery. Quit when another RSO made it his mission to make my wife and kids miserable when they showed up to shoot. Stood right behind them when they were at the shooting table and yelled at them at the top of his lungs about everything. Even after other RSOs told him they were being safe and not breaking any rules. My wife left in tears. Now I have a green card and shoot far away from the main range. The Practical Pistol range at Ben Avery is very nice. And no RSOs to hassle you. What's a "Green Card?" |
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Is that a FA rule? I've shot from all kinds of field positions there. Quoted:
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They don't take reservations. Full auto is fine but you have to sit at the table when you shoot. No standing. They are very NFA friendly Is that a FA rule? I've shot from all kinds of field positions there. The problem is muzzle climb. Some (most) people lack the skill to operate full autos and wind up stitching rounds up and over the mountain (backstop). There are structures and people on the other side of the mountain. As someone mentioned previously in this thread, the skill of shooters there on any given day can vary from 1st time beginner to an Olympic team. As such, safety 'rules' and protocols have to be universally applied to all. For running full auto, they just want shooter and weapon to be supported |
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The problem is muzzle climb. Some (most) people lack the skill to operate full autos and wind up stitching rounds up and over the mountain (backstop). There are structures and people on the other side of the mountain. As someone mentioned previously in this thread, the skill of shooters there on any given day can vary from 1st time beginner to an Olympic team. As such, safety 'rules' and protocols have to be universally applied to all. For running full auto, they just want shooter and weapon to be supported Quoted:
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They don't take reservations. Full auto is fine but you have to sit at the table when you shoot. No standing. They are very NFA friendly Is that a FA rule? I've shot from all kinds of field positions there. The problem is muzzle climb. Some (most) people lack the skill to operate full autos and wind up stitching rounds up and over the mountain (backstop). There are structures and people on the other side of the mountain. As someone mentioned previously in this thread, the skill of shooters there on any given day can vary from 1st time beginner to an Olympic team. As such, safety 'rules' and protocols have to be universally applied to all. For running full auto, they just want shooter and weapon to be supported Shooting FA prone is also allowed. |
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A Green Card is given to members of shooting clubs that use the Ben Avery facilities. It allows the holder of the card to shoot at ranges other than the main range. Quoted:
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What's a "Green Card?" A Green Card is given to members of shooting clubs that use the Ben Avery facilities. It allows the holder of the card to shoot at ranges other than the main range. AZ Arfcom Shooting Club? When do we start? |
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Ben Avery has a very strict set of rules. Same with SERP in Tucson. Even a seasoned shooter is probably going to get a conversation the first time or two at the range. Not for big things, and not yelling. These guys have been very professional with every encounter I have seen.
They take a personal view that there will be no accidents while on their watch. To meet this end, there is no fudge factor on the safety rules. Folks that make a bigger mistake on their first time or two, often get their feathers ruffled and do not return. Some are asked to never return. Read the rules before-hand on their website. Ask a range master to assist you if it is your first time. Uncasing your weapon and getting started is usually the hard part for even a seasoned shooter that is at these ranges for the first time. The staff is very helpful. Cheers!javascript:insertText('  ');
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What's a "Green Card?" A Green Card is given to members of shooting clubs that use the Ben Avery facilities. It allows the holder of the card to shoot at ranges other than the main range. AZ Arfcom Shooting Club? When do we start? This. |
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Ben Avery has a very strict set of rules. Same with SERP in Tucson. Even a seasoned shooter is probably going to get a conversation the first time or two at the range. Not for big things, and not yelling. These guys have been very professional with every encounter I have seen. They take a personal view that there will be no accidents while on their watch. To meet this end, there is no fudge factor on the safety rules. Folks that make a bigger mistake on their first time or two, often get their feathers ruffled and do not return. Some are asked to never return. Read the rules before-hand on their website. Ask a range master to assist you if it is your first time. Uncasing your weapon and getting started is usually the hard part for even a seasoned shooter that is at these ranges for the first time. The staff is very helpful. Cheers!javascript:insertText(' ');As a working volunteer, I personally watched an RSO hassle my wife and kids until she left in tears. I saw no rules violations, no safety issues, nor did other nearby RSOs. The RSO in question bragged at the tower that he was going to hassle 'those shooters at bench XX until they leave', and leave they did. He never had a clue that the shooter and kids were my family, but I and several others spoke to Dale (the Range Master at BASF) about the incident. Nothing was done, so I no longer volunteer. I hear the RSO passed since this happened. As far as the rules and their even application, I disagree. There is a 'fudge factor' in their rules, between paid/non-paid RSOs, and it can even depend on which side of the range you're on. The East side of the Main Range is called 'The Ghetto' by the RSOs. Take that how you will. A couple weeks ago, my son was asked to not reload his pistol from a mag carrier while standing and shooting. This has never been an issue on that range until that day. It seems that the rules, while fairly consistent when applied to adults, are interpreted and are subject to opinion enforcement when it comes to younger shooters. My son, by the way, knows his way around his pistol very well, as he regularly competes in USPSA matches. |
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If it has been that long since you were there last, you will barely recognize it. Watch the video, follow the RSO instructions, and you will have a good time. Yes, once in a while an RSO gets a hair up their ass. I believe that is everywhere these days. If you are a novice shooter, they usually pick up on it. And vice versa.
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What's a "Green Card?" A Green Card is given to members of shooting clubs that use the Ben Avery facilities. It allows the holder of the card to shoot at ranges other than the main range. AZ Arfcom Shooting Club? When do we start? This. In. What are the ranges besides the main one? I've seen a few but don't know what they all are. |
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A Green Card is given to members of shooting clubs that use the Ben Avery facilities. It allows the holder of the card to shoot at ranges other than the main range. Quoted:
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What's a "Green Card?" A Green Card is given to members of shooting clubs that use the Ben Avery facilities. It allows the holder of the card to shoot at ranges other than the main range. Is there any kind of list somewhere with all the different clubs or links to their sites? I joined the Cactus League, need to do a few more matches to get the green card for the pistol bays, but would also like to be able to get access to some of the other ranges. |
Never had an issue there, but I liked this one RO that was going around sticking his finger into everything. Shoved his finger up into my temperamental Albanian SKS, I was like uhh I probably wouldn't do that, sure enough he did something to unlock the bolt and it crushed his finger tip. Yells out F#UCK really loud, everyone turns around and looks at him 
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