Posted: 4/9/2014 11:40:26 AM EDT
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Im over here in Texas and wondering what your impression is of the open carry laws in your state or the lack thereof...
Do you literally see folks walking around in public all the time with holstered weapons??? Is it your impression that this causes alarm....or have you seen or heard of any stories of problems that occurred as a result of the largely unregulated open carry freedom in the state? Im just curious what it looked like in a state where it was wide open... Thanks |
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I was part of the public open carry movement for awhile. I see others from time to time carrying.
Reason I stopped and switched to concealed carry in public is because..... 1.) Didn't want others to know I had a weapon = Possible target 2.) Possibly followed home by a home intruder to check while I'm gone = Theft of property Only time I open carry anymore is when I'm hiking or camping. |
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I see oc all the time and do it daily. Nobody notices nobody cares cops ont show up to bug you. Only time I ever notice someone visibly bothered by it is near asu. Always a college aged person who probably came here from a herp derp state and arent used to freedom yet. The only attention a have ever gotten from it is somone asking me what kinda holster I have or what kind of pistol and it occasionally starts a convo that turns into an anti democrat rant with the peron next to me. Usually the ones that speak up are the type asking me if I know about the aecret plan where the UN is comig to take our guns or something rhough. I think it would serve texas well like it has az because in a state not overwhelmed by retards people get used to it and democrat claims that guns are dangerous and for bad guys falls flat on its face. |
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I see it occasionally and every time I do, it's usually some ditz operating in condition white. It's rare I see a trained civilian with a proper retention holster. I always wonder if they're prepared to have their head bashed in with their own gun.
Others will chime in and say they believe it's a deterrence. Blah, I think the concealed carry law is a deterrence. Open carry in town just allows for people to move too close with little time to react. But, I'm not against it. I don't think it's for the untrained but to each his own. In Arizona, no one cares. It's not uncommon. When are Texas and Arizona going to take a 100 miles of Northern Mexico and form a new country? Can we get that on the ballot? |
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Quoted: I see it occasionally and every time I do, it's usually some ditz operating in condition white. It's rare I see a trained civilian with a proper retention holster. I always wonder if they're prepared to have their head bashed in with their own gun. Others will chime in and say they believe it's a deterrence. Blah, I think the concealed carry law is a deterrence. Open carry in town just allows for people to move too close with little time to react. But, I'm not against it. I don't think it's for the untrained but to each his own. In Arizona, no one cares. It's not uncommon. When are Texas and Arizona going to take a 100 miles of Northern Mexico and form a new country? Can we get that on the ballot? As fir goofballs carrying the douchefactor of people OC seems to follow the douche factor of thw general public. Most of the people I notice are normal. The douches just stand out because they are douches. Ill agree with one point that many people make a poor holster choice but thats for use of firearma reasons. Not the myth that someone is going to see your gun and try to take it. There are just as many people using a shitty holster with their clothing covering the gun out there. Deterrence isnt the main reason I oc though. As we both said people are used to it. The reason for that is people like me open carry while holding the door for people, letting someone with only a couple itema go ahead of you in the store line, call our elders sir and mam, say please thank you and bless you when people sneeze. We put a good face On gun owners
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| I live on the very edge of the Phoenix Metro area and out here there are horse properties and large lots. So I see it frequently and no one really pays attention to it much. Only time I have heard anything was in Sun City, which is a retirement community, so lady asked a guy in line at the gas station if it was neccessary to wear it all the time? |
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Im over here in Texas and wondering what your impression is of the open carry laws in your state or the lack thereof... Do you literally see folks walking around in public all the time with holstered weapons??? Is it your impression that this causes alarm....or have you seen or heard of any stories of problems that occurred as a result of the largely unregulated open carry freedom in the state? Im just curious what it looked like in a state where it was wide open... Thanks |
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I do on occasion, never been bothered. Most people I see doing it are neckbeards with crappy nylon holsters hanging off their belt. +1 Usually that or a guy with a XDM and that railed joke holster that comes with it. Most retarded guy I saw was one carrying a $2000 Nighthawk in a $5 Uncle Mikes. The best was a guy with HK P7 in a very expensive looking and colorful custom rig with a matching belt. |
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+1 Usually that or a guy with a XDM and that railed joke holster that comes with it. Most retarded guy I saw was one carrying a $2000 Nighthawk in a $5 Uncle Mikes. The best was a guy with HK P7 in a very expensive looking and colorful custom rig with a matching belt. Quoted:
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I do on occasion, never been bothered. Most people I see doing it are neckbeards with crappy nylon holsters hanging off their belt. +1 Usually that or a guy with a XDM and that railed joke holster that comes with it. Most retarded guy I saw was one carrying a $2000 Nighthawk in a $5 Uncle Mikes. The best was a guy with HK P7 in a very expensive looking and colorful custom rig with a matching belt. You making fun of my color coordination?!  jk
At Randall's (the lgs i pull weekends at) we get alot of guys ocing in all fasions. Id rather see someone ocing in an uncle mikes nylon than the dudes that come in with full size pistols pointed at their junk or just stowed in a pocket. Out and about i dont seem to see it very often and im very aware of that kind of thing. If they are ocing it stands out right away to me. Ymmv. I typically only oc when working at Randall's when im carrying something full size. Other wise i cc my defender and call it a day. |
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You making fun of my color coordination?! jk
At Randall's.......... Your favorite color to wear is our secret and won't be posted. 
Kinda weird. I lived for 16 years on that side of town, only went to Randall's twice and never bought anything. Both times they were out of what I was looking for. |
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I live in an affluent suburb of Phoenix. I see OC relatively infrequently - maybe once or twice a month. Now that unlicensed CC is legal, I am surprised to see OC as much as I do to be honest... usually it is a kid 18-20 years old who is too young to CC. When I do see OC, nobody seems to be paying much attention (certainly never seen anyone freak out). You really do see a diverse cross section of kit, from HiPoints in generic ballistic nylon holsters to custom 1911s in hand-crafted leather. With the better dressed middle aged folks, I suspect most people assume they are a cop. I personally prefer the tactical advantage of surprise/uncertainty afforded by concealed carry. However, when it is really hot it is nice to shed the cover garment and still be legal - I mostly OC when I am hiking and things get a little toasty.
The really big advantage of OC is that it gives legal protection to folks who normally CC but accidentally "flash" their gun (coat blows open, bending over in the store etc.). Honest citizens should not be prosecuted for a minor wardrobe malfunction. This should be the primary reason for pushing OC in your state. |
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I see oc all the time and do it daily. Nobody notices nobody cares cops ont show up to bug you. Only time I ever notice someone visibly bothered by it is near asu. Always a college aged person who probably came here from a herp derp state and arent used to freedom yet. The only attention a have ever gotten from it is somone asking me what kinda holster I have or what kind of pistol and it occasionally starts a convo that turns into an anti democrat rant with the peron next to me. Usually the ones that speak up are the type asking me if I know about the aecret plan where the UN is comig to take our guns or something rhough. I think it would serve texas well like it has az because in a state not overwhelmed by retards people get used to it and democrat claims that guns are dangerous and for bad guys falls flat on its face. pretty much what i was going to say but this was faster. Only change i have is i now CCW much more often |
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Seen quite a few at the gas stations here in Mesa.
Seen some in grocery stores ect. Typically ppl who want to look like a hard ass while buying milk and open carry. Working at discount tire for years.. we came across weapons in cars all the time. I just wouldn't hint to the owner "oh hey I think you forgot something in your vehicle". But don't be mistaken... for every 1 you see.. 10 are concealed. |
| I think the is a bit of generation gap in judging some oc guys as well. Oc has typically been a young person thing since it was the only carry option from age 18-21. To anyone over 35-40 the typical 18-20 year old looks like a jackass but to people under that age we just accept it as modern style dress even if we think they look stupid. I tend to hold my judgement for younger people based on behavior rather than how they look |
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I agree but.... The law states you can carry concealed. Generally speaking any visible weapon freaks people out bottom line. The state of Arizona wants you to hide it. Wrong and wrong. |
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Never seen anyone freak out. I did see a guy with a Hi-Point in a crappy nylon holster last week. The Hi-Point bothered me more than the OC... Who thought that grip was a good idea? Yeesh.
I did a couple of double takes when I first moved here. First was standing behind a skinny wigger with a 1911 in a small of the back holster while I was in line at the bank. Second was stopped at a stop light behind an african american gentleman with a Glock on his hip and a "Fuck the Police" T-Shirt on a crotch rocket. Always wondered how the rest of his day went... After that, I stopped even the second looks. Usually now I just see old guys at the Scottsdale Wal-Mart open carrying, so I assume they're headed over to SGC. |
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I agree but.... The law states you can carry concealed. Generally speaking any visible weapon freaks people out bottom line. The state of Arizona wants you to hide it. NO BUTS! the "State of Arizona" does not give 2 shites how you carry. Carry open, carry concealed, whatever...hear in Arizona we call that FREEDOM! |
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Quoted: NO BUTS! the "State of Arizona" does not give 2 shites how you carry. Carry open, carry concealed, whatever...hear in Arizona we call that FREEDOM! Quoted: Quoted: I agree but.... The law states you can carry concealed. Generally speaking any visible weapon freaks people out bottom line. The state of Arizona wants you to hide it. NO BUTS! the "State of Arizona" does not give 2 shites how you carry. Carry open, carry concealed, whatever...hear in Arizona we call that FREEDOM!  |
| Down here in Pinal County open carry is common place and generally doesn't cause any raised eyebrows. The only exception to that is sometimes when the snowbirds arrive there's the occasional Canadian or resident from some libtard state that freaks out about it. Seems like they quickly acclimate to the fact its commonplace down here. |
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There's a guy at my church, sits in front of my every Sunday, who OCs every week. He used to carry a chromed 1911 in this beautiful leather holster, but for some reason he switched to a Glock in black nylon.
I OC when we're out hiking or camping, M&P40 in a Safariland ALS holster. Passed a lot of hikers, some of them pretty crunchy looking, never had anyone say anything. |
| For me its about the lazy CC. It may be obvious sometimes that I am CC, but I just don't care. Printing, shirt rides up, etc. I open carry a bit too, especially when headed to the range. I never get a second look, and I don't think much of others. Snowbirds come down here thinking this is the wild wild west already, and most are not shocked to see someone carrying a gun =) |
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I too occasionally see someone OC from time to time. Just like JLH3 said, most of the time it's someone OC in a uncle mikes or cheap nylon holster.
The only time I open carry is when I'm going hunting/camping, heading out to shoot in the desert or riding my mtn bike on some trails. |
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Quoted: Tom McLaury, Frank McLaury and Billy Clanton would agree with you. That fascist Wyatt Earp should have been hanged, killing those men for not checking in their guns. Quoted: Quoted: A Right not exercised is a Right lost. Tom McLaury, Frank McLaury and Billy Clanton would agree with you. That fascist Wyatt Earp should have been hanged, killing those men for not checking in their guns. |
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A Right not exercised is a Right lost. Tom McLaury, Frank McLaury and Billy Clanton would agree with you. That fascist Wyatt Earp should have been hanged, killing those men for not checking in their guns. I was joking but it is a reminder that bearing arms is an ever evolving process changing with the ebb and flow of culture and politics. To be fair, Arizona was not a State in 1881. Territorial law was a little different back then. |
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I was joking but it is a reminder that bearing arms is an ever evolving process changing with the ebb and flow of culture and politics. To be fair, Arizona was not a State in 1881. Territorial law was a little different back then. Thank you SO much for pointing that out....pisses me off when anti-gunnies bring him/Tombstone up 
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Thank you SO much for pointing that out....pisses me off when anti-gunnies bring him/Tombstone up Quoted:
I was joking but it is a reminder that bearing arms is an ever evolving process changing with the ebb and flow of culture and politics. To be fair, Arizona was not a State in 1881. Territorial law was a little different back then. Thank you SO much for pointing that out....pisses me off when anti-gunnies bring him/Tombstone up OT Don't want to pick a fight with you seeing as I'll need a holster next month but,................ 
Earp shot those guys down to settle a feud. The "no guns in town" law was the excuse to do it. If it didn't exist, Wyatt and his brothers would have found something else as a reason to shoot the cowboys. |
^^Agree...so i will let you buy a holster next month
my point is/was that anti's always say "Wyatt Earp banned guns...that did not 'infringe' on the 2A, he was a gunfighter, lawman, etc..." But if you look at "Territorial Law" of the times.....there are MANY cases where they were not beholden to the US Constitution, (or SEVERAL federal laws).....not all good, not all bad. But the Earps banning guns in Tombstone is VERY different than the city of "X" doing it today from a legality perspective. |
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So none of these responses are what you said they were in the texas forum Quoted:
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Great responses. Thank you brothers! So none of these responses are what you said they were in the texas forum OMG...this is a funny "how do you swat a hornets nest" beginning to this thread
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_8/556210_.html |
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That thread is hilarious!
Even the 13ers are up in the OP. Quoted:
As incredibly dramatic as the OP is, that's as nice as I'll put it, there are plenty more people out there just as moronic. That's why it is my opinion some type of class should be required to carry in public. I do not want to get shot in the back by some retard who watches too much TV. My opinion, feel free to disagree. And seriously... people give 13 and 14ers shit... This dude has been on here since 04 and still hasn't figured out who he can and can't shoot. |
| That thread is funny. I'm not a fan of open carry (in town) but I do quite often especially in rural Arizona. I have ZERO interest in any gun restrictions (other than my closet fascist tendencies). I like being free and completely willing to accept and protect the burden that those freedoms costs. You want to feel "comfortable" about guns, that's fine. Just don't ask me to come defend you when yours are gone because you may not be worth defending. That's the problem with fascism, the protectors only protect who they like. Everyone else gets locked up or just goes missing. |
| To me responsible open carry is a firm part of what keeps gun grabers from gaining ground. The more people do it the better. Gun grabbers only get traction through outrage and sensationalism. If everyone is used to seeing guns its hard for guns to outrage them. When everyone starts hiding them its easier to turn people against them and convince people that even the presence of a gun os a danger. |
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Arizona please see what OP(aka schrek) is now posting now back in Tejas. Beware of his true intentions. |
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Quoted: Arizona please see what OP(aka schrek) is now posting now back in Tejas. Beware of his true intentions. |
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After skimming that all I can say is...goddamn do I love AZ and the AZHTF. Quoted:
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Arizona please see what OP(aka schrek) is now posting now back in Tejas. Beware of his true intentions. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_8/556657_Open_and_or_Concealed_Carry___No_License_No_Restrictions_.html After skimming that all I can say is...goddamn do I love AZ and the AZHTF. OP is a Fudd at heart, even is he owns black rifles. |
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I love it when people open carry in my area it lets the shitbags know that the populace is armed. Heinlein said it best. "An armed society is a polite society" My new neighbor open carries 24/7 it seems like, more power to him I wish him the best of luck. I think he is an armed guard so he has that freedom to never have to conceal. I'm off and on college campuses all the time so I pretty much have to conceal carry. I try to open carry when I can but it just seems like there is always somewhere scheduled on my route for the day where open carry is a no no so I just end up conceal carrying 9/10 times. Once/if my schedule gets a little freer I would like to start trying to open carry more often. I wear collared shirts most of the time and I'm a please and thank you kind of guy, also I'm always looking around and checking things out logically speaking I don't see how my open carrying could ever hurt the gun community or the RTBA if I thought it did I wouldn't do it, and as far as someone taking it from me or targeting me first in a situation, I just don't think there is a dirtbag out there who would look at me and decide that is their best course of action. |