Posted: 6/9/2011 7:40:57 PM EDT
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I think I need to have the new place treated. Something has eaten the shit out of my kids legs (and mine) and I think it's happening at home. Anyone have a service they use regularly or is a member a bug guy?
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Everyone uses this. http://www.domyownpestcontrol.com/cyper-wp-p-228.html God Speed. |
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Very effective, this is the "Nuke em from orbit" insecticide that gets scorpions & centipedes - both tough to kill with typical store purchased insecticide. |
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yeah, but will I kill my dog and kids with it? Go to the link and download the "product label" PDF file. Safe for indoor use, mostly an eye hazard. "Indoor Residential Use Cyper WP Insecticide may be used as a general spot or crack and crevice treatment in the home. All food processing surfaces and utensils should be covered during treatment or thoroughly washed before use. Exposed food should be covered or removed." |
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yeah, but will I kill my dog and kids with it? No. Save yourself some money and do it yourself. I use a $15 sprayer I bought at home depot. Deman CS , Suspend SC , Cykick CS , are all used by most companies here locally. As a former pest control tech, my favorite and the most effective residual was Demand CS. I've never used Cyper WP but I'm sure it's good. |
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Cy kick cs is a good product and is pet and people safe. I lay down a gallon a month at my house and my GF's house. A gallon covers my entire front and back yard (entire as in every square inch of ground), the entire perimeter of my house, and all of my doors, windows, and the garage door. I don't find many bugs in the house, but when I do, they're almost always dead, or near death. Scorpions make their way sometimes, and are found dead. The stuff works. I took some to work to treat an area around some horse pens where we've had an ant problem for years. I was told the guys there have "tried everything" (as in, everything you can buy at Home Depot or Wal-Mart, and the stuff we are talking about in this thread can't be bought at either). I sprayed a gallon total, soaked the ground in and around two different ant hills. 24 hours later both colonies were no longer active. Five days later the number of dead ants on the outside of each hill kept growing, as more ants either came out from underground or returned home to the nest; as soon as they were exposed to the poison-soaked dirt, they were done. $40 shipped will get you a vat of powder that will make two dozen gallons or more.... Buy the stuff and be done with it. It will destroy every creepy crawler that may enter your yard. Professional exterminators are a waste of money. |
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yeah, but will I kill my dog and kids with it? [PSA]"Cyper WP" is a good product for outdoor use in Arizona because it flushes and if mixed properly has good residual in our heat. I would discourage anyone from using this product inside their home unless your have no problem with exposure to Hydrogen cyanide gas or it's active ingredients. Or don't mind inhaling airborne particles. FWIW The label allows for very limited use indoor because of these dangers. This product comes in a powder form (WP) and is mixed with water that acts as a carrier and allows application. When the water evaporates you have the powder throughout your home. It becomes airborne and is eventually inhaled.  [PSA/]
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does this cyper stuff hurt vegetation? I have some fucking carpenter ants that keep cutting the leaves on my rose bushes in front of my house and nothing seems to keep them away for more than a day or two. In Arizona "cyper stuff" as with most products should not be directly sprayed on vegetation. It would not be my first choice (for your situation) as Cyper WP is primarily a repellent and is designed to bond with surfaces to be effective. The rocks and soil found around rose bushes offer limited surface areas to bond thus limiting the effectiveness and residual. Also ants will eventually forage around the product. I would recommend a "lighter dose" of Premise or Termidor. The ants will not detect it and because they are a social creature they will pass it thru the entire colony much like a virus. Typically a treated colony is completely eliminated in less than a week. An average home lot in Metro Phoenix can have 15-25 ant colonies. So follow up treatments once or twice a year might be necessary
FWIW Tannerite produces immediate results but has little residual for re-infestations and tends to annoy the neighbors 
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yeah, but will I kill my dog and kids with it? [PSA]"Cyper WP" is a good product for outdoor use in Arizona because it flushes and if mixed properly has good residual in our heat. I would discourage anyone from using this product inside their home unless your have no problem with exposure to Hydrogen cyanide gas or it's active ingredients. Or don't mind inhaling airborne particles. FWIW The label allows for very limited use indoor because of these dangers. This product comes in a powder form (WP) and is mixed with water that acts as a carrier and allows application. When the water evaporates you have the powder throughout your home. It becomes airborne and is eventually inhaled. [PSA/]
"Cypermethrin is a synthetic pyrethroid used as an insecticide in large-scale commercial agricultural applications as well as in consumer products for domestic purposes. It behaves as a fast-acting neurotoxin in insects. It is easily degraded on soil and plants but can be effective for weeks when applied to indoor inert surfaces. Exposure to sunlight, water and oxygen will accelerate its decomposition. Cypermethrin is highly toxic to fish, bees and aquatic insects, according to the National Pesticides Telecommunications Network (NPTN). It is found in many household ant and cockroach killers, including Raid and ant chalk." "Summary of Use: Cypermethrin is registered for agricultural use as a foliar application on food and feed crops including cotton, pecans, peanuts, broccoli and other Brassicas, and sweet corn. Cypermethrin can be applied to livestock in eartags, and to horses. Cypermethrin is also registered for use on industrial, commercial, and residential sites. It is registered for outdoor use as a soil residual termiticide and to control insect pests such as ants in and on structures, impervious surfaces (in perimeter and crack and crevice treatments) and lawns. Cypermethrin can also be applied indoors to control ants, cockroaches, fleas, and other insects." "Use Classification: Agricultural products are restricted use. Residential, commercial, and industrial products are general use (can be purchased and applied by professional applicators or by residential applicators)." "Usage of Cypermethrin: Total cypermethrin use is approximately 1.0 million pounds of active ingredient (a.i.) per year. In agriculture, it is used mainly on cotton (110,000 pounds a.i.) on about 13% of planted acres. Minor use is also found in several other crops including pecans (6,000 pounds a.i.), peanuts, broccoli and sweet corn (1 to 2 thousand pounds a.i each). Treatment of cattle and other livestock accounts for approximately 1,000 pounds a.i. per year. The great majority of cypermethrin use occurs in non-agricultural sites. Indoor pest control (mainly for ants, cockroaches, and fleas) accounts for about 110,000 pounds a.i., while outdoor use for subterranean termites and other insect pests accounts for nearly 750,000 pounds a.i. Of the non-agricultural use, approximately 300,000 pounds a.i. are applied by residential applicators, and 550,000 pounds a.i. by professional applicators." Care to comment? |
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yeah, but will I kill my dog and kids with it? [PSA]"Cyper WP" is a good product for outdoor use in Arizona because it flushes and if mixed properly has good residual in our heat. I would discourage anyone from using this product inside their home unless your have no problem with exposure to Hydrogen cyanide gas or it's active ingredients. Or don't mind inhaling airborne particles. FWIW The label allows for very limited use indoor because of these dangers. This product comes in a powder form (WP) and is mixed with water that acts as a carrier and allows application. When the water evaporates you have the powder throughout your home. It becomes airborne and is eventually inhaled. [PSA/]
"Cypermethrin is a synthetic pyrethroid used as an insecticide in large-scale commercial agricultural applications as well as in consumer products for domestic purposes. It behaves as a fast-acting neurotoxin in insects. It is easily degraded on soil and plants but can be effective for weeks when applied to indoor inert surfaces. Exposure to sunlight, water and oxygen will accelerate its decomposition. Cypermethrin is highly toxic to fish, bees and aquatic insects, according to the National Pesticides Telecommunications Network (NPTN). It is found in many household ant and cockroach killers, including Raid and ant chalk." "Summary of Use: Cypermethrin is registered for agricultural use as a foliar application on food and feed crops including cotton, pecans, peanuts, broccoli and other Brassicas, and sweet corn. Cypermethrin can be applied to livestock in eartags, and to horses. Cypermethrin is also registered for use on industrial, commercial, and residential sites. It is registered for outdoor use as a soil residual termiticide and to control insect pests such as ants in and on structures, impervious surfaces (in perimeter and crack and crevice treatments) and lawns. Cypermethrin can also be applied indoors to control ants, cockroaches, fleas, and other insects." "Use Classification: Agricultural products are restricted use. Residential, commercial, and industrial products are general use (can be purchased and applied by professional applicators or by residential applicators)." "Usage of Cypermethrin: Total cypermethrin use is approximately 1.0 million pounds of active ingredient (a.i.) per year. In agriculture, it is used mainly on cotton (110,000 pounds a.i.) on about 13% of planted acres. Minor use is also found in several other crops including pecans (6,000 pounds a.i.), peanuts, broccoli and sweet corn (1 to 2 thousand pounds a.i each). Treatment of cattle and other livestock accounts for approximately 1,000 pounds a.i. per year. The great majority of cypermethrin use occurs in non-agricultural sites. Indoor pest control (mainly for ants, cockroaches, and fleas) accounts for about 110,000 pounds a.i., while outdoor use for subterranean termites and other insect pests accounts for nearly 750,000 pounds a.i. Of the non-agricultural use, approximately 300,000 pounds a.i. are applied by residential applicators, and 550,000 pounds a.i. by professional applicators." Care to comment? Not sure what comment you are looking for? You’ve quoted my contribution. Is there something specific your looking for? I respectfully sense your neck deep in water headed in a direction where it will soon be over your head. [Guessing]If your point is that “Synthetic pyrethrins” are safe, effective, the best choice for residential interior use, and that you and the internet know more about this subject than someone with decades of Arizona experience I yield. I have service technicians treating homes in every corner of the valley every day. My number one concern is safety for my customers and employees. The next concern is effectiveness. The liability in my industry is tremendous so it’s in my interest to know about every product available, how it works, how safe and effective it is EDITED: Because someone (Me) is not as smart as their "Smart Phone"
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yeah, but will I kill my dog and kids with it? [PSA]"Cyper WP" is a good product for outdoor use in Arizona because it flushes and if mixed properly has good residual in our heat. I would discourage anyone from using this product inside their home unless your have no problem with exposure to Hydrogen cyanide gas or it's active ingredients. Or don't mind inhaling airborne particles. FWIW The label allows for very limited use indoor because of these dangers. This product comes in a powder form (WP) and is mixed with water that acts as a carrier and allows application. When the water evaporates you have the powder throughout your home. It becomes airborne and is eventually inhaled. [PSA/]
"Cypermethrin is a synthetic pyrethroid used as an insecticide in large-scale commercial agricultural applications as well as in consumer products for domestic purposes. It behaves as a fast-acting neurotoxin in insects. It is easily degraded on soil and plants but can be effective for weeks when applied to indoor inert surfaces. Exposure to sunlight, water and oxygen will accelerate its decomposition. Cypermethrin is highly toxic to fish, bees and aquatic insects, according to the National Pesticides Telecommunications Network (NPTN). It is found in many household ant and cockroach killers, including Raid and ant chalk." "Summary of Use: Cypermethrin is registered for agricultural use as a foliar application on food and feed crops including cotton, pecans, peanuts, broccoli and other Brassicas, and sweet corn. Cypermethrin can be applied to livestock in eartags, and to horses. Cypermethrin is also registered for use on industrial, commercial, and residential sites. It is registered for outdoor use as a soil residual termiticide and to control insect pests such as ants in and on structures, impervious surfaces (in perimeter and crack and crevice treatments) and lawns. Cypermethrin can also be applied indoors to control ants, cockroaches, fleas, and other insects." "Use Classification: Agricultural products are restricted use. Residential, commercial, and industrial products are general use (can be purchased and applied by professional applicators or by residential applicators)." "Usage of Cypermethrin: Total cypermethrin use is approximately 1.0 million pounds of active ingredient (a.i.) per year. In agriculture, it is used mainly on cotton (110,000 pounds a.i.) on about 13% of planted acres. Minor use is also found in several other crops including pecans (6,000 pounds a.i.), peanuts, broccoli and sweet corn (1 to 2 thousand pounds a.i each). Treatment of cattle and other livestock accounts for approximately 1,000 pounds a.i. per year. The great majority of cypermethrin use occurs in non-agricultural sites. Indoor pest control (mainly for ants, cockroaches, and fleas) accounts for about 110,000 pounds a.i., while outdoor use for subterranean termites and other insect pests accounts for nearly 750,000 pounds a.i. Of the non-agricultural use, approximately 300,000 pounds a.i. are applied by residential applicators, and 550,000 pounds a.i. by professional applicators." Care to comment? Not sure what comment you are looking for? You’ve quoted my contribution. Is there something specific your looking for? I respectfully sense your neck deep in water headed in a direction where it will soon be over your head. [Guessing]If your point is that “Synthetic pyrethrins” are safe, effective, the best choice for residential interior use, and that you and the internet know more about this subject than someone with decades of Arizona experience I yield. I have service technicians treating homes in every corner of the valley every day. My number one concern is safety for my customers and employees. The next concern is effectiveness. The liability in my industry is tremendous so it’s in my interest to know about every product available, how it works, how safe and effective it is EDITED: Because someone (Me) is not as smart as their "Smart Phone"
I was questioning you statement: "FWIW The label allows for very limited use indoor because of these dangers." That is not what the label or EPA approved uses states. |
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yeah, but will I kill my dog and kids with it? [PSA]"Cyper WP" is a good product for outdoor use in Arizona because it flushes and if mixed properly has good residual in our heat. I would discourage anyone from using this product inside their home unless your have no problem with exposure to Hydrogen cyanide gas or it's active ingredients. Or don't mind inhaling airborne particles. FWIW The label allows for very limited use indoor because of these dangers. This product comes in a powder form (WP) and is mixed with water that acts as a carrier and allows application. When the water evaporates you have the powder throughout your home. It becomes airborne and is eventually inhaled. [PSA/]
"Cypermethrin is a synthetic pyrethroid used as an insecticide in large-scale commercial agricultural applications as well as in consumer products for domestic purposes. It behaves as a fast-acting neurotoxin in insects. It is easily degraded on soil and plants but can be effective for weeks when applied to indoor inert surfaces. Exposure to sunlight, water and oxygen will accelerate its decomposition. Cypermethrin is highly toxic to fish, bees and aquatic insects, according to the National Pesticides Telecommunications Network (NPTN). It is found in many household ant and cockroach killers, including Raid and ant chalk." "Summary of Use: Cypermethrin is registered for agricultural use as a foliar application on food and feed crops including cotton, pecans, peanuts, broccoli and other Brassicas, and sweet corn. Cypermethrin can be applied to livestock in eartags, and to horses. Cypermethrin is also registered for use on industrial, commercial, and residential sites. It is registered for outdoor use as a soil residual termiticide and to control insect pests such as ants in and on structures, impervious surfaces (in perimeter and crack and crevice treatments) and lawns. Cypermethrin can also be applied indoors to control ants, cockroaches, fleas, and other insects." "Use Classification: Agricultural products are restricted use. Residential, commercial, and industrial products are general use (can be purchased and applied by professional applicators or by residential applicators)." "Usage of Cypermethrin: Total cypermethrin use is approximately 1.0 million pounds of active ingredient (a.i.) per year. In agriculture, it is used mainly on cotton (110,000 pounds a.i.) on about 13% of planted acres. Minor use is also found in several other crops including pecans (6,000 pounds a.i.), peanuts, broccoli and sweet corn (1 to 2 thousand pounds a.i each). Treatment of cattle and other livestock accounts for approximately 1,000 pounds a.i. per year. The great majority of cypermethrin use occurs in non-agricultural sites. Indoor pest control (mainly for ants, cockroaches, and fleas) accounts for about 110,000 pounds a.i., while outdoor use for subterranean termites and other insect pests accounts for nearly 750,000 pounds a.i. Of the non-agricultural use, approximately 300,000 pounds a.i. are applied by residential applicators, and 550,000 pounds a.i. by professional applicators." Care to comment? Not sure what comment you are looking for? You’ve quoted my contribution. Is there something specific your looking for? I respectfully sense your neck deep in water headed in a direction where it will soon be over your head. [Guessing]If your point is that “Synthetic pyrethrins” are safe, effective, the best choice for residential interior use, and that you and the internet know more about this subject than someone with decades of Arizona experience I yield. I have service technicians treating homes in every corner of the valley every day. My number one concern is safety for my customers and employees. The next concern is effectiveness. The liability in my industry is tremendous so it’s in my interest to know about every product available, how it works, how safe and effective it is EDITED: Because someone (Me) is not as smart as their "Smart Phone"
I was questioning you statement: "FWIW The label allows for very limited use indoor because of these dangers." That is not what the label or EPA approved uses states. Gotcha: In fact the label does limit interior use to "crack and crevice or spot treatment only" and depending upon the target pest it does not permit interior use(s) at all. In Arizona the label is the law and the label will vary from state to state. California for example does not allow even limited interior use. For those outside the industry "crack and crevice" are very small unexposed areas (no surfaces) and "spot treatment" is usually a 2 square foot area where there is a current infestation. In other words a professional exterminator cannot just come into a home and spray most Synthetic Pyrethins anywhere and everywhere. This is for good reason. You as a homeowner can do what you want. Hope that helps
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I was questioning you statement: "FWIW The label allows for very limited use indoor because of these dangers." That is not what the label or EPA approved uses states. Gotcha: In fact the label does limit interior use to "crack and crevice or spot treatment only" and depending upon the target pest it does not permit interior use(s) at all. In Arizona the label is the law and the label will vary from state to state. California for example does not allow even limited interior use. For those outside the industry "crack and crevice" are very small unexposed areas (no surfaces) and "spot treatment" is usually a 2 square foot area where there is a current infestation. In other words a professional exterminator cannot just come into a home and spray most Synthetic Pyrethins anywhere and everywhere. This is for good reason. You as a homeowner can do what you want. Hope that helps
Fair enough, states like Ca can regulate it's use more strictly or like NY ban it if they want. Your first post on arfcom came across as alarmist and the reference to Hydrogen cyanide was a real stretch since this is only a (very small) issue when it is exposed to high temps/fire. Since the official EPA regs allows both indoor use and on food crops it is not as hazardous as your post intoned. Hell if I want to scare people I'll tell them that the most common insecticides, organophosphates are actually nerve gas chemical agents since they both are from the same chemical class and both act by inhibiting acetylcholinesterase. Of course one is targeted against human acetylcholinesterase where the other is targeted against insect acetylcholinesterase. I'm an organic chemist who designs and synthesizes new drugs for the last 25 years.
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I was questioning you statement: "FWIW The label allows for very limited use indoor because of these dangers." That is not what the label or EPA approved uses states. Gotcha: In fact the label does limit interior use to "crack and crevice or spot treatment only" and depending upon the target pest it does not permit interior use(s) at all. In Arizona the label is the law and the label will vary from state to state. California for example does not allow even limited interior use. For those outside the industry "crack and crevice" are very small unexposed areas (no surfaces) and "spot treatment" is usually a 2 square foot area where there is a current infestation. In other words a professional exterminator cannot just come into a home and spray most Synthetic Pyrethins anywhere and everywhere. This is for good reason. You as a homeowner can do what you want. Hope that helps
Fair enough, states like Ca can regulate it's use more strictly or like NY ban it if they want. Your first post on arfcom came across as alarmist and the reference to Hydrogen cyanide was a real stretch since this is only a (very small) issue when it is exposed to high temps/fire. Since the official EPA regs allows both indoor use and on food crops it is not as hazardous as your post intoned. Hell if I want to scare people I'll tell them that the most common insecticides, organophosphates are actually nerve gas chemical agents since they both are from the same chemical class and both act by inhibiting acetylcholinesterase. Of course one is targeted against human acetylcholinesterase where the other is targeted against insect acetylcholinesterase. I'm an organic chemist who designs and synthesizes new drugs for the last 25 years.
Welcome to the site, look forward to your contributions. "Organic Chemist" now that is another can of worms  LOL
I appreciate your welcome and the respectful exchange of opinion tho in the interest of full disclosure I've been a on and off ARFCOM since 2001 it seems I have a tendency to forget screen names or passwords when away for awhile. 
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