Posted: 2/23/2011 9:37:54 PM EDT
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Is there any way we will ever be allowed to spotlight coyotes? How can we make this happen? Is it a legislative deal or do we just need to convince fish and game that it is a good idea? I find it retarded that we can spotlight raccoons because they are nocturnal yet we cannot spotlight coyotes even though fish and game apparently wants them dead. |
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It all leads back to a concern about poaching and safety. Every couple of years a sportsmans group or hunting club brings it before the commission, and every time they shoot it down. It was attempted again just recently, actually.
According to every AZGFD official I have spoken to, it's not likely to happen. Go to Nevada - it's a short drive and night hunting is legal there. |
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Quoted: It all leads back to a concern about poaching and safety. Those are pretty good reasons, actually. I've shot probably close to 150 dogs at night. In Michigan (in all zones) you may only hunt at night with a shotgun (no slugs or buckshot) or rimfire. You can only chamber a round when stationary and with a call going. Poaching is rampant despite the "on your ass" enforcement from the COs...you are assumed to be poaching the king's deer until you can prove otherwise. It's often impossible to tell what is beyond your target when firing at a spot light illuminated animal, and things happen real fast once the lights come on. This is more of a concern in the southern more populated portion of the state. I prefer to hunt them during normal shooting hours with a centerfire rifle backed up by a shotgun. It's been my experience that they are most active at dawn and dusk, anyway. |
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uh....don't know where this is at, but I got this from azcdl 2/9
SB 1335, which would add jackrabbits, raccoons and predatory animals to the list of animals that may be taken at night, was held due to the moratorium on Agency rule making (necessary to implement the bill). It will be added to the budget process. needless to say, I was very pumped. |
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No lights though. Good excuse to buy a night vision scope.
www.azleg.gov/legtext/50leg/1r/bills/sb1335p.pdf |
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Quoted: No lights though. Good excuse to buy a night vision scope. www.azleg.gov/legtext/50leg/1r/bills/sb1335p.pdf Now that would be the way to fly. I've hunted hogs at night with hi-tech-rancher using his 6.8 SPCs with NVDs and IR illuminators. That, my friends, is the cat's ass. |
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Because they are a top level predator that is extremely adaptable. Their population percentage has increased since trapping was banned in 1994.
http://www.azpredatorcallers.com/ |
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When I was in Lake Havasu last month I got to see dozens of coyotes roaming the subdivisions at all hours of the day and night. My in-laws neighbor had a small dog snatched up w week before we got there. The north side of town is thick with them, but the south side is completely over run with coyotes. |
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Quoted: Quoted: we cannot spotlight coyotes even though fish and game apparently wants them dead. I don't know anything about the subject.... Are they overpopulated or something? Why would AZ Game and Fish want them dead? because they kill the shit out of the other game, especially the babies. That limits the population, limits the tags available, limits their income. |
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I see. I've lived here all my life, but never have hunted for coyotes. Too much like a dog for me to pull the trigger on one I guess. they will eat your dog. not like they will go extinct or anything. There are more of them than you can shake a100 sticks at. night hunting coyotes with NV or Thermal would be awesome. |
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Quoted:they will eat your dog.
They eat Rotties? 
Yeah... If I had livestock, I'd be all over it. A co-worker lives down near the river bottom on Horse property. And they're always having problems with Yotes, Stray dog, and illegals. I'd love to bring my silencer and just sit out there one night. But going out into the desert and seeking out the kill isn't my thing. |
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Quoted: ...snip... But going out into the desert and seeking out the kill isn't my thing. You do realize that a great many of our members make or made a fairly decent living doing just that?  I would like to hunt coyotes with decoy dogs. I've only seen it done on TV a couple of time, but that looks like it would be fun. If you hunt them this way, I want to meet you.  |
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Dogging coyotes is a very effective to get them into stand, and while you can spend 6k or so on a good coyote dog, it's not needed. A buddy of mine used to use his black lab and a little rat dog, and they did the job just fine. It was amazing to watch them work.
And as SevenMaryThree said, there is a lot of money to be made killing predators. I didn't sell a lot of fur this year and I made around 1k - and I made that while out there doing what I'm going to do anyways. That more than pays for fuel, ammo, etc. And once you get into trapping, well that's a whole other deal. Now you're talking about making 10k+ a year, once you figure out what you're doing. Is there a living to be made in AZ? Depends on what you need to live. But up in the north (WY, MT, ND, WI, MI) there are guys who make 30K+ every year. |
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Quoted: What caliber are you normally running, I guess it depends on area but never the less. 223, 22-250, 243? Vmax or OTM/HP? I used to run a 22 Hornet before I got into ARs, I'd love to get back into it but I moved from N. AZ/S. UT to phx  there are yotes around phoenix. just drive out to the edge of town in damned near any direction. I have seen them in north scottsdale area, south mountain area south of chandler and around queen creek to gold canyon and florence area. My uncle has seen them north of north phoenix and peoria. Im sure the westside isn't much different. fucking things are everywhere. Im not sure what the density of the populations around the valley are but they are out there. |
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Quoted: What caliber are you normally running, I guess it depends on area but never the less. 223, 22-250, 243? Vmax or OTM/HP? I used to run a 22 Hornet before I got into ARs, I'd love to get back into it but I moved from N. AZ/S. UT to phx At night I was using .22 WMR or 12 ga. 3" with lead No. 2s or BBs. Daylight shooting I use 5.56 with 60 gr. TAP. I have used everything from crossbows to .300 Win Mag and even a cap and ball black powder revolver once to shoot them. |
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Dogging coyotes is a very effective to get them into stand, and while you can spend 6k or so on a good coyote dog, it's not needed. A buddy of mine used to use his black lab and a little rat dog, and they did the job just fine. It was amazing to watch them work. And as SevenMaryThree said, there is a lot of money to be made killing predators. I didn't sell a lot of fur this year and I made around 1k - and I made that while out there doing what I'm going to do anyways. That more than pays for fuel, ammo, etc. And once you get into trapping, well that's a whole other deal. Now you're talking about making 10k+ a year, once you figure out what you're doing. Is there a living to be made in AZ? Depends on what you need to live. But up in the north (WY, MT, ND, WI, MI) there are guys who make 30K+ every year. Hey Rizzo. Probably a dumb question but how does this work? Is there a reward paid for killing them or is there an actual market for using the fur? Getting my varmint rig ready and plan to try yote hunting soon. I wish javelina was still in season as I was out tonight hunting rabbits and saw 6-7 that would have been easy shots (didn't see one damn bunny tonight though!). |
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I'm talking about the fur market, selling the pelt after it's been skinned out and prepped. There are some states and counties in the U.S. that still offer bounties, but not here in AZ, though you can get "bounties" or "rewards" if you hunt for private landowners or ranchers.
Coyote calling this time of year is the toughest (mating/denning season FYI) so don't get too discouraged if you don't call a bunch of them in. I generally stop predator hunting around mid-March and don't fire it up again until Aug-Sept, unless there are some problem animals on a ranch or such. |
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I'm talking about the fur market, selling the pelt after it's been skinned out and prepped. There are some states and counties in the U.S. that still offer bounties, but not here in AZ, though you can get "bounties" or "rewards" if you hunt for private landowners or ranchers. Coyote calling this time of year is the toughest (mating/denning season FYI) so don't get too discouraged if you don't call a bunch of them in. I generally stop predator hunting around mid-March and don't fire it up again until Aug-Sept, unless there are some problem animals on a ranch or such. As always, thanks! You are a great asset to our HTF! |