Posted: 1/23/2011 9:55:43 AM EDT
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So the wife got a notice in the mail the other day from a certain city on the west side of town. They claim she ran a red light and have photos.
What's the deal with these....pay up..., ignore it and wait to be served, etc? Are these handled differently than the speed cameras that were on the freeways? |
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Throw it away. If a police officer didn't hand it to you then its trash. Does it have a court date on it or anything like that? Some of the city red light cameras might be different than the speed cameras that used to be on the freeways in how they count and how you deal with them. |
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I thought the state legislature was going to have a bill that would ban photo enforcement statewide. Anyone recall this ? Yes, I'm not sure why we are still saddled with these revenue generators.... IIRC they were going to mandate that the city using the cameras could not fiddle with the yellow light times to generate more red light "runners" |
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I thought the state legislature was going to have a bill that would ban photo enforcement statewide. Anyone recall this ? I think that was speed-camera's only, and I think it was a citizen petition. And I think it died when Brewer killed the cameras on the freeway. |
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I thought the state legislature was going to have a bill that would ban photo enforcement statewide. Anyone recall this ? Yes, I'm not sure why we are still saddled with these revenue generators.... IIRC they were going to mandate that the city using the cameras could not fiddle with the yellow light times to generate more red light "runners" They should do that, IMHO. Phoenix has been caught doing it IIRC, but there's no law on the books against it. |
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Depends on the city but in general you can't just ignore it like a speeding photo ticket. Most treat it just like if a cop handed you the ticket and you are screwed if you ignore it. YMMV This is right. If you pay the ticket, you have admitted guilt and then have to attend a traffic survival school. If you don't pay and don't show for court, they will suspend your license and issue a warrant for your arrest. IMO, if the picture is clear, and there is no doubt that it is her, pay the ticket and be prepared to spend 8 hours at a traffic survival school class. Otherwise, laywer up and go to court. |
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Throw it away... unless they walk up to your door, and hand your the ticket, or send it Registered signed for by recipient mail.... it never freaking happened.
If you throw it away, 1 of 2 things will happen... 1) Nothing... you just go on about your life, the ticket will die and all will be forgotten. 2) They really want you to pay for your ticket, so they will send it registered mail, or have someone hand deliver it to you. At which point you will have to deal with it... -AOS |
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Throw it away... unless they walk up to your door, and hand your the ticket, or send it Registered signed for by recipient mail.... it never freaking happened. 2) They really want you to pay for your ticket, so they will send it registered mail, or have someone hand deliver it to you. At which point you will have to deal with it... -AOS And according to the complaint, addidtional fees will be added if someone has to serve you. |
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Depends on the city but in general you can't just ignore it like a speeding photo ticket. Most treat it just like if a cop handed you the ticket and you are screwed if you ignore it. YMMV This is right. If you pay the ticket, you have admitted guilt and then have to attend a traffic survival school. If you don't pay and don't show for court, they will suspend your license and issue a warrant for your arrest. IMO, if the picture is clear, and there is no doubt that it is her, pay the ticket and be prepared to spend 8 hours at a traffic survival school class. Otherwise, laywer up and go to court. Bullshit. Arizona rules of civil procedure are very clear. They cannot and won't do that. They must serve you in person. |
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Here they tell you the same thing and list a website for you to go to see the photos. However once you put in the info to see your pictures, you are acknowledging receipt of the ticket. Juts shred it as long as you didnt go to the site. Will I don't think that will hold up either. Prove who logged in. My mail was stolen and the thief logged in. |
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Depends on the city but in general you can't just ignore it like a speeding photo ticket. Most treat it just like if a cop handed you the ticket and you are screwed if you ignore it. YMMV This is right. If you pay the ticket, you have admitted guilt and then have to attend a traffic survival school. If you don't pay and don't show for court, they will suspend your license and issue a warrant for your arrest. IMO, if the picture is clear, and there is no doubt that it is her, pay the ticket and be prepared to spend 8 hours at a traffic survival school class. Otherwise, laywer up and go to court. Bullshit. Arizona rules of civil procedure are very clear. They cannot and won't do that. They must serve you in person. The third party scum bags that serve you try every fuckin trick in the book.. they put them in pizza boxes, hand them to someone who isn't the owner of the house/person served and sign it on their clipboard as served, walk up to you when you're checking your mail and hand it to you, pretend to be mormons, everything for God's sake |
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Depends on the city but in general you can't just ignore it like a speeding photo ticket. Most treat it just like if a cop handed you the ticket and you are screwed if you ignore it. YMMV This is right. If you pay the ticket, you have admitted guilt and then have to attend a traffic survival school. If you don't pay and don't show for court, they will suspend your license and issue a warrant for your arrest. IMO, if the picture is clear, and there is no doubt that it is her, pay the ticket and be prepared to spend 8 hours at a traffic survival school class. Otherwise, laywer up and go to court. Bullshit. Arizona rules of civil procedure are very clear. They cannot and won't do that. They must serve you in person. The third party scum bags that serve you try every fuckin trick in the book.. they put them in pizza boxes, hand them to someone who isn't the owner of the house/person served and sign it on their clipboard as served, walk up to you when you're checking your mail and hand it to you, pretend to be mormons, everything for God's sake The part in red would certinally not go over well in court and could get the entire ticket thrown out, doubt they would even try that one. Others are completely legal means to serve you though. |
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Depends on the city but in general you can't just ignore it like a speeding photo ticket. Most treat it just like if a cop handed you the ticket and you are screwed if you ignore it. YMMV This is right. If you pay the ticket, you have admitted guilt and then have to attend a traffic survival school. If you don't pay and don't show for court, they will suspend your license and issue a warrant for your arrest. IMO, if the picture is clear, and there is no doubt that it is her, pay the ticket and be prepared to spend 8 hours at a traffic survival school class. Otherwise, laywer up and go to court. Bullshit. Arizona rules of civil procedure are very clear. They cannot and won't do that. They must serve you in person. The third party scum bags that serve you try every fuckin trick in the book.. they put them in pizza boxes, hand them to someone who isn't the owner of the house/person served and sign it on their clipboard as served, walk up to you when you're checking your mail and hand it to you, pretend to be mormons, everything for God's sake The part in red would certinally not go over well in court and could get the entire ticket thrown out, doubt they would even try that one. Others are completely legal means to serve you though. Who is going to know? This "officer of the court" is going to swear that they served the defendant, you, the defendant are going to say yhou were never served, the landsacper that was trimming your trees was served and threw away the summons..... The court is going to say you were served |
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Depends on the city but in general you can't just ignore it like a speeding photo ticket. Most treat it just like if a cop handed you the ticket and you are screwed if you ignore it. YMMV This is right. If you pay the ticket, you have admitted guilt and then have to attend a traffic survival school. If you don't pay and don't show for court, they will suspend your license and issue a warrant for your arrest. IMO, if the picture is clear, and there is no doubt that it is her, pay the ticket and be prepared to spend 8 hours at a traffic survival school class. Otherwise, laywer up and go to court. Bullshit. Arizona rules of civil procedure are very clear. They cannot and won't do that. They must serve you in person. This is absolutely true. This is what I was told by a Mesa PD officer just the other day. However, we all know police aren't lawyers..just what I was told. |
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Depends on the city but in general you can't just ignore it like a speeding photo ticket. Most treat it just like if a cop handed you the ticket and you are screwed if you ignore it. YMMV This is right. If you pay the ticket, you have admitted guilt and then have to attend a traffic survival school. If you don't pay and don't show for court, they will suspend your license and issue a warrant for your arrest. IMO, if the picture is clear, and there is no doubt that it is her, pay the ticket and be prepared to spend 8 hours at a traffic survival school class. Otherwise, laywer up and go to court. Your statement is bullshit. Ignore the ticket until you're served. They have 90 days to serve you from the date of the incident. If they don't serve you within 90 days, it dies. It's worth the effort to avoid the server because the effects of a red light ticket on your insurance are very unpleasant. I would guesstimate that ticket costs a minimum of $3,000 increase in insurance premium over the entire period it stays on your record. |
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Depends on the city but in general you can't just ignore it like a speeding photo ticket. Most treat it just like if a cop handed you the ticket and you are screwed if you ignore it. YMMV This is right. If you pay the ticket, you have admitted guilt and then have to attend a traffic survival school. If you don't pay and don't show for court, they will suspend your license and issue a warrant for your arrest. IMO, if the picture is clear, and there is no doubt that it is her, pay the ticket and be prepared to spend 8 hours at a traffic survival school class. Otherwise, laywer up and go to court. Bullshit. Arizona rules of civil procedure are very clear. They cannot and won't do that. They must serve you in person. The third party scum bags that serve you try every fuckin trick in the book.. they put them in pizza boxes, hand them to someone who isn't the owner of the house/person served and sign it on their clipboard as served, walk up to you when you're checking your mail and hand it to you, pretend to be mormons, everything for God's sake The part in red would certinally not go over well in court and could get the entire ticket thrown out, doubt they would even try that one. Others are completely legal means to serve you though. Who is going to know? This "officer of the court" is going to swear that they served the defendant, you, the defendant are going to say yhou were never served, the landsacper that was trimming your trees was served and threw away the summons..... The court is going to say you were served Well, if you aren't there then you are somewhere else. Most places of business have video surveilence which would put you at their store (or just leaving it/on the way home) during the time of "being surved". Landscaper could simply say that he was handed a piece of paper but wasn't told what it was and tried to save you the trouble of dealing with "junk mail". Neighbors most likely can tell if your vehicle is in the driveway or not.... Just becasue the "officer of the court" says something doesn't mean it's end all be all of something. Simple facts or a witness that can place you somewhere else often times punches holes right through a faulty/false statement. |
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Depends on the city but in general you can't just ignore it like a speeding photo ticket. Most treat it just like if a cop handed you the ticket and you are screwed if you ignore it. YMMV This is right. If you pay the ticket, you have admitted guilt and then have to attend a traffic survival school. If you don't pay and don't show for court, they will suspend your license and issue a warrant for your arrest. IMO, if the picture is clear, and there is no doubt that it is her, pay the ticket and be prepared to spend 8 hours at a traffic survival school class. Otherwise, laywer up and go to court. Your statement is bullshit. Ignore the ticket until you're served. They have 90 days to serve you from the date of the incident. If they don't serve you within 90 days, it dies. It's worth the effort to avoid the server because the effects of a red light ticket on your insurance are very unpleasant. I would guesstimate that ticket costs a minimum of $3,000 increase in insurance premium over the entire period it stays on your record. Last I heard it was either 120 or 180 days (can't remember which). |
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Depends on the city but in general you can't just ignore it like a speeding photo ticket. Most treat it just like if a cop handed you the ticket and you are screwed if you ignore it. YMMV This is right. If you pay the ticket, you have admitted guilt and then have to attend a traffic survival school. If you don't pay and don't show for court, they will suspend your license and issue a warrant for your arrest. IMO, if the picture is clear, and there is no doubt that it is her, pay the ticket and be prepared to spend 8 hours at a traffic survival school class. Otherwise, laywer up and go to court. Your statement is bullshit. Ignore the ticket until you're served. They have 90 days to serve you from the date of the incident. If they don't serve you within 90 days, it dies. It's worth the effort to avoid the server because the effects of a red light ticket on your insurance are very unpleasant. I would guesstimate that ticket costs a minimum of $3,000 increase in insurance premium over the entire period it stays on your record. 120 days for a traffic cite. It is in the ARS. |
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Depends on the city but in general you can't just ignore it like a speeding photo ticket. Most treat it just like if a cop handed you the ticket and you are screwed if you ignore it. YMMV This is right. If you pay the ticket, you have admitted guilt and then have to attend a traffic survival school. If you don't pay and don't show for court, they will suspend your license and issue a warrant for your arrest. IMO, if the picture is clear, and there is no doubt that it is her, pay the ticket and be prepared to spend 8 hours at a traffic survival school class. Otherwise, laywer up and go to court. Bullshit. Arizona rules of civil procedure are very clear. They cannot and won't do that. They must serve you in person. The third party scum bags that serve you try every fuckin trick in the book.. they put them in pizza boxes, hand them to someone who isn't the owner of the house/person served and sign it on their clipboard as served, walk up to you when you're checking your mail and hand it to you, pretend to be mormons, everything for God's sake The part in red would certinally not go over well in court and could get the entire ticket thrown out, doubt they would even try that one. Others are completely legal means to serve you though. Who is going to know? This "officer of the court" is going to swear that they served the defendant, you, the defendant are going to say yhou were never served, the landsacper that was trimming your trees was served and threw away the summons..... The court is going to say you were served Well, if you aren't there then you are somewhere else. Most places of business have video surveilence which would put you at their store (or just leaving it/on the way home) during the time of "being surved". Landscaper could simply say that he was handed a piece of paper but wasn't told what it was and tried to save you the trouble of dealing with "junk mail". Neighbors most likely can tell if your vehicle is in the driveway or not.... Just becasue the "officer of the court" says something doesn't mean it's end all be all of something. Simple facts or a witness that can place you somewhere else often times punches holes right through a faulty/false statement. It can be difficult to actually find a witness when it comes down to it, and stores just don't give out security footage to help you prove you weren't served a $200 ticket.. I've seen it done, I've seen "served" when I know for a fact nobody received anything.. The court isn't the best place to look for justice and we all know it. |
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Depends on the city but in general you can't just ignore it like a speeding photo ticket. Most treat it just like if a cop handed you the ticket and you are screwed if you ignore it. YMMV This is right. If you pay the ticket, you have admitted guilt and then have to attend a traffic survival school. If you don't pay and don't show for court, they will suspend your license and issue a warrant for your arrest. IMO, if the picture is clear, and there is no doubt that it is her, pay the ticket and be prepared to spend 8 hours at a traffic survival school class. Otherwise, laywer up and go to court. Your statement is bullshit. Ignore the ticket until you're served. They have 90 days to serve you from the date of the incident. If they don't serve you within 90 days, it dies. It's worth the effort to avoid the server because the effects of a red light ticket on your insurance are very unpleasant. I would guesstimate that ticket costs a minimum of $3,000 increase in insurance premium over the entire period it stays on your record. 120 days for a traffic cite. It is in the ARS. You must be served within 90 days of the filing date not the date the incident occurred. They have 60 days to file the incident. But it's essentially 90 days once you know about it (or don't know about it if you know what I mean). Technicalities. Oh, and there is no more state system. The only systems now are municipal. ARS 28-1592(B)(2) More info here: http://www.supreme.state.az.us/courtserv/attc/peprocessguidelines-v2-3-31-08.pdf |
| I would go to court. Plead with the judge that you can't afford to pay the ticket and see what they can knock it down to. The worst thing that happens is that you pay the fine (or go to school) anyway. The best is the judge will reduce the fine to a few bucks or dismiss it. I'll never pay a ticket again without going to court. Most judges are liberals anyway and love nothing more than "sticking it to the man" (or computer as the case is). Also, before the court date, call/write in (whatever it is) and say you need to postpone the hearing due to a medical ....thing, whatever....make it up. They'll move the daye back and you'll have more time to save up the money and push back the points on you're drivers license. Look at it this way....you are gonna pay anyway, so why not throw the dice and hope the judge sees it your way and reduces the fine. |
| HA! You haven't been to traffic court within the past two years, especially for a camera ticket. These guys need revenue and you're it. The camera guys never miss a date; that's all they do. And if it's you in the picture and you're behind the line on the street and the light is red, you're screwed. You're gonna pay and you're gonna pay for an insurance increase because the points don't get wiped on a red light ticket even after the mandatory class. And the insurance companies know what kind of ticket the points are attached to. Do yourself a favor and wait until they serve you. Go live with a relative for three months if you have to. It's cheaper in the long run. Although, if you do get served, it is still best to go to court, and to delay as much as possible. People do skate occasionally, but generally when the police officer doesn't show. The camera guys are always there. They live there. |
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You must be served within 90 days of the filing date not the date the incident occurred. They have 60 days to file the incident. But it's essentially 90 days once you know about it (or don't know about it if you know what I mean). Technicalities. Oh, and there is no more state system. The only systems now are municipal. ARS 28-1592(B)(2) More info here: http://www.supreme.state.az.us/courtserv/attc/peprocessguidelines-v2-3-31-08.pdf What you get in the mail isn't a ticket. Generally speaking, it hasn't been filed with the court yet. I'd have to go back and look, but IIRC it's 30 days from the citation before they have to file it. They'll wait the full 30 days hoping you send in payment and admit guilt. If you don't, they file on the 30th day and then the 90 day process window service begins. So, you have 120 days from the date of the citation for them to find you. I know there were some changes recently, so my numbers might be off, but the method is pretty much how they do it to get the most time possible. |
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Depends on the city but in general you can't just ignore it like a speeding photo ticket. Most treat it just like if a cop handed you the ticket and you are screwed if you ignore it. YMMV This is right. If you pay the ticket, you have admitted guilt and then have to attend a traffic survival school. If you don't pay and don't show for court, they will suspend your license and issue a warrant for your arrest. IMO, if the picture is clear, and there is no doubt that it is her, pay the ticket and be prepared to spend 8 hours at a traffic survival school class. Otherwise, laywer up and go to court. Bullshit. Arizona rules of civil procedure are very clear. They cannot and won't do that. They must serve you in person. The third party scum bags that serve you try every fuckin trick in the book.. they put them in pizza boxes, hand them to someone who isn't the owner of the house/person served and sign it on their clipboard as served, walk up to you when you're checking your mail and hand it to you, pretend to be mormons, everything for God's sake The part in red would certinally not go over well in court and could get the entire ticket thrown out, doubt they would even try that one. Others are completely legal means to serve you though. Who is going to know? This "officer of the court" is going to swear that they served the defendant, you, the defendant are going to say yhou were never served, the landsacper that was trimming your trees was served and threw away the summons..... The court is going to say you were served Well, if you aren't there then you are somewhere else. Most places of business have video surveilence which would put you at their store (or just leaving it/on the way home) during the time of "being surved". Landscaper could simply say that he was handed a piece of paper but wasn't told what it was and tried to save you the trouble of dealing with "junk mail". Neighbors most likely can tell if your vehicle is in the driveway or not.... Just becasue the "officer of the court" says something doesn't mean it's end all be all of something. Simple facts or a witness that can place you somewhere else often times punches holes right through a faulty/false statement. It can be difficult to actually find a witness when it comes down to it, and stores just don't give out security footage to help you prove you weren't served a $200 ticket.. I've seen it done, I've seen "served" when I know for a fact nobody received anything.. The court isn't the best place to look for justice and we all know it. You're right in the fact that the court isn't the best place to look for justice, but prooving where you are usually isn't that difficult. Store receipt with your card number on it (recepits usually have date and time on them) would be easy enough, as would any number of other things. Simple fact of that matter is that if you aren't served then it will be harder for the courts to prove that you were then if they had just done it right in the first place. Besides, do you really think that somebody is going to put their job at risk just to avoid serving you? IIRc nobody is paid based on the number of people they give summons to, but rather by an hourly/salary rate. 
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Older article. System is a little better but not much. Serving has been cleaned up a bit. West side is better, Scottsdale is still by far the worst.
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Older article. System is a little better but not much. Serving has been cleaned up a bit. West side is better, Scottsdale is still by far the worst. http://www.motorists.org/speed-cameras/arizona-freeway-speed-cameras That article was from January of '07. Been some changes in the last 4 years 
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You're right in the fact that the court isn't the best place to look for justice, but prooving where you are usually isn't that difficult. Store receipt with your card number on it (recepits usually have date and time on them) would be easy enough, as would any number of other things. Simple fact of that matter is that if you aren't served then it will be harder for the courts to prove that you were then if they had just done it right in the first place. Besides, do you really think that somebody is going to put their job at risk just to avoid serving you? IIRc nobody is paid based on the number of people they give summons to, but rather by an hourly/salary rate. Actually they do get paid for serving you Redflex gets a commission for your ticket being paid, and the actual server gets paid a commission of $7-$10 from what i've been told. and yes, i do believe the people who do this are willing to lie to get paid, even if it may cost them a job (which it wont) |
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You're right in the fact that the court isn't the best place to look for justice, but prooving where you are usually isn't that difficult. Store receipt with your card number on it (recepits usually have date and time on them) would be easy enough, as would any number of other things. Simple fact of that matter is that if you aren't served then it will be harder for the courts to prove that you were then if they had just done it right in the first place. Besides, do you really think that somebody is going to put their job at risk just to avoid serving you? IIRc nobody is paid based on the number of people they give summons to, but rather by an hourly/salary rate. Actually they do get paid for serving you Redflex gets a commission for your ticket being paid, and the actual server gets paid a commission of $7-$10 from what i've been told. and yes, i do believe the people who do this are willing to lie to get paid, even if it may cost them a job (which it wont) Well, I did not know they were getting paid on commission if that's the case. Either way, prooving you were not there wouldn't be too terribly hard if you actually were not home at the time you were "served". I refer back to my earlier statement about sales receipts (grocery, gas, atm...ex..ex...), or the fact that you vehicle wouldn't have even been in the driveway (next door neighbors tend to notice when a 1,500+lb vehicle isn't there). Sure, the server could lie right through his teeth, but I bet he'd have a hard time winning that one. |
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Older article. System is a little better but not much. Serving has been cleaned up a bit. West side is better, Scottsdale is still by far the worst. http://www.motorists.org/speed-cameras/arizona-freeway-speed-cameras That article was from January of '07. Been some changes in the last 4 years I think I stated that. The judges attitudes have not changed, though, especially in Scottsdale. |
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Just got flashed tonight by a red light camera, guess its my turn to start the process. It was just one of those lights where the yellow hits at the last second and you can slam on your breaks and lock them up and just hope the guy behind you doesn't rear end you or you can go the safer route and drive through it. So I drove through and got a face full of flash..... So OP did you ever get served? or did you throw it away and they forgot about you? |
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Just got flashed tonight by a red light camera, guess its my turn to start the process. It was just one of those lights where the yellow hits at the last second and you can slam on your breaks and lock them up and just hope the guy behind you doesn't rear end you or you can go the safer route and drive through it. So I drove through and got a face full of flash..... So OP did you ever get served? or did you throw it away and they forgot about you? You should have covered your face as you went through the light 
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Just got flashed tonight by a red light camera, guess its my turn to start the process. It was just one of those lights where the yellow hits at the last second and you can slam on your breaks and lock them up and just hope the guy behind you doesn't rear end you or you can go the safer route and drive through it. So I drove through and got a face full of flash..... So OP did you ever get served? or did you throw it away and they forgot about you? It was my wife who got the ticket. She went to school for it. |
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Just got flashed tonight by a red light camera, guess its my turn to start the process. It was just one of those lights where the yellow hits at the last second and you can slam on your breaks and lock them up and just hope the guy behind you doesn't rear end you or you can go the safer route and drive through it. So I drove through and got a face full of flash..... So OP did you ever get served? or did you throw it away and they forgot about you? Remember, don't go looking up the "ticket" online, and just throw away the trash mail from that company.
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Just got flashed tonight by a red light camera, guess its my turn to start the process. It was just one of those lights where the yellow hits at the last second and you can slam on your breaks and lock them up and just hope the guy behind you doesn't rear end you or you can go the safer route and drive through it. So I drove through and got a face full of flash..... So OP did you ever get served? or did you throw it away and they forgot about you? Remember, don't go looking up the "ticket" online, and just throw away the trash mail from that company. What company? |
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Just got flashed tonight by a red light camera, guess its my turn to start the process. It was just one of those lights where the yellow hits at the last second and you can slam on your breaks and lock them up and just hope the guy behind you doesn't rear end you or you can go the safer route and drive through it. So I drove through and got a face full of flash..... So OP did you ever get served? or did you throw it away and they forgot about you? Remember, don't go looking up the "ticket" online, and just throw away the trash mail from that company. I'm going to have to I'm trying to keep my perfect record perfect. I have NEVER had a traffic violation before. I've been pulled over but just never actually been given a ticket. I have actually never been in trouble with the law over anything ever, it figures some stupid fucking red light camera would peg me in a "criminal" activity. Depending on what city the picture was taken in, you can look it up here- http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/ It won't count as you being served because anyone can look up your name. I watched mine on there as it went through the process until it was finally dismissed. It took a few days to update after the 120 delays elapsed showing it as dismissed. |