Posted: 11/23/2010 12:38:39 AM EDT
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| It depends on how interventionist one feels the US should be. Basically we've won against communism so waging wars against that are of little concern. So you're left with threats of relatively "weak" nuclear weapons with little to no effective means of delivery. Oh sure, they'll fry a few thousand at a ground level explosion but then what? It's target practice for weapons we need to test in real world scenarios. The US has some really good experience with desert, now some modern jungle warfare training will be useful. North Koreans (and perhaps a few Chinese) will make good practice. |
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If we deploy to Korea I would be in the the initial surge for sure, the scary thing is I kind of want to go to war with N. Korea. In 6 months I'll be deployable again, I'm only not deployable right now because I haven't been back in the states for one year since my last deployment. But I know how to operate all of the most up to date equipment right now, a combat deployment to North Korea would be really good for my career. I wonder what the situation with I.E.D.'s and mines would be like, that was always such an ominous thing my last deployment. My second month in country a guy from the company we were escorting hit an I.E.D. he didn't have his door properly locked or his seat belt on so he was shot out of the vehicles, he was medivaced but he died in the hospital. Then it was mandatory that we went to his in-country funeral because we were the company doing the escort. I had never met the guy but it was still super sad, it really set the tone for the deployment. I'm fucking tired of the insurgency the United States needs to fight an army again. |
| I'd be a little concerned about that little munchkin deciding to go out with a bang. A few minutes of nuclear KABOOMs and the world would look like a different place. Sure we could knock a few out of the sky, but what's N. Korea's current nuclear arsenal? I think that's the real reason we haven't properly dealt with them yet. Add to the fact that we are now perceived as limp dicks the world over (as mentioned above) and we have a real problem on our hands. |
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North Korea doesn't have a nuclear arsenal. They detonated a couple of dirty bombs but that's about it. They are a long, long way from putting one of any significance on a missile. They might have the ability to drop a dirty bomb from a plane but that would lead to the total destruction of their Air Force and Navy. They'd be left with tanks and those would be gone in a few days. At that point it's grunts with mortars ( which they have a shit load). It'd be another Iraq as Reservist postulated.
That's assuming China kept out of the fray (which I suppose they wouldn't). China is the problem. |
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North Korea doesn't have a nuclear arsenal. They detonated a couple of dirty bombs but that's about it. They are a long, long way from putting one of any significance on a missile. They might have the ability to drop a dirty bomb from a plane but that would lead to the total destruction of their Air Force and Navy. They'd be left with tanks and those would be gone in a few days. At that point it's grunts with mortars ( which they have a shit load). It'd be another Iraq as Reservist postulated. That's assuming China kept out of the fray (which I suppose they wouldn't). China is the problem. China has said they won't back N Korea because it's not in their best interests.. but China can always be lying. China wants to be an economic superpower, and supporting N Korea in a war will make them poor, seeing as how the USA is now one of their largest customers, if not the largest. |
| Start thinking human wave attacks with the first 4-5 waves just getting across the wire and soaking up the claymores. Think of going through several barrels from your machine guns and lines of what we used to call 'gooks' laying infront of you, many still moaning as the dope they were given begins to wear off. |
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Quoted: Start thinking human wave attacks with the first 4-5 waves just getting across the wire and soaking up the claymores. Think of going through several barrels from your machine guns and lines of what we used to call 'gooks' laying infront of you, many still moaning as the dope they were given begins to wear off. And don't forget about the ones that start popping out of the random tunnels that haven't been found yet (they will be BEHIND those fighting off the continuous waves of attacks). |
This is our fault ,we let N korea go too far too often . If you don't stand up to a bully he will keep pushing you around ,and you will be a victom forever . As far as China ,we need to stop buying thier junk if they won't do the right thing . They will fold like a cheap suit if we stop paying them . They can not survive without the US doller . Let them try to sell that crap to the rest of the world . I for one would rather die on my feet than live on my knees .
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Should we be worried about these fools?? There's been issues for the last 60 years between the north and south. This one being the worse one. Both have been threatening each other for years...empty threats at that. Should we be worried? Not yet. We'll have to see how this goes down in the few days. Visiting the DMZ is a major eye opener. When I was there the first time in Aug 95-96, we had a MiG-19 pilot defect from the North. MiG-19 Defection (Look for the red MiG-15 near the bottom. Shortly after I left in 1996, an NK mini-sub beached itself on the SK shores. NK Mini-sub 1996 Nothing much happened when I was in Korea from Aug 05-06 until just before I left. The NKs shot and killed a women at a hotel that "wandered too far from her hotel". NKs shoot SK woman Bottom line is shit happens all the time there. No worries just yet. Japan is nearby to aid the SK if and when the shit hits the fan. ADDED* Don't forget the sinking of a SK ship back in March. The SKs blame the NKs for the sinking. SK ship sunk The same ship was involved in a sea battle in 1999 between SK and NK. over the same islands that the NKs just shot to shit...Yeonpyeong Island |
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Korea is just the beginning. China is closely watching our reaction, (or lack of), to best plan out their re-taking of Taiwan. They will never have a better opportunity, than under the indecisive and impotent leadership of BHO. We, and the South Koreans and the Taiwanese are thoroughly screwed if China makes a move. |
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Korea is just the beginning. China is closely watching our reaction, (or lack of), to best plan out their re-taking of Taiwan. They will never have a better opportunity, than under the indecisive and impotent leadership of BHO. We, and the South Koreans and the Taiwanese are thoroughly screwed if China makes a move. Saw this in the GD thread. Yueliu in Beijing, China, says: "This situation is caused by the policies of the United States. The United States and South Korea should come back to the six party-talks instead of holding military exercises targeting North Korea or even China. The US should be responsible for the situation today, though we do not agree to North Korea's Kim's succession plan. Paper tigers are paper tigers." I don't have a clue who that is. Probably just a random Chinese citizen, but if that's the thoughts among the populace.... |
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The DPRK were the ones who pulled out of the talks after the Security Council condemned them for testing an ICBM in 2009. The US and South Korea never left the talks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-party_talks |
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Quoted: We didn't pull out of the talks, but China has been wanting to resume talks with N Korea, and we (the US .gov) have been reluctant to restart talks since they(N Korea) sunk that S Korean ship earlier this year. When the U.S. talks with NK, it elevates their position in the world and with the media. To them it's all about staying in the headlines and appearing relevant in world politics. They're very dangerous children demanding attention from the world's superpowers. And the apple probably won't fall far from the tree when the kid takes over. |
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Can we realistically fight a war with NK, or even back SK, being that we occupy two different war zones in the middle east? I mean, are we spread too thin for this right now? Ready for a draft? The war will be over long before any draftees could make it through the pipeline. The only reason that South Korea hasn't already resolved this issue is that the victory would be more expensive than they could afford. |
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Quoted: I wonder just how far we will let them go ? All the way to Seoul. Look at how long it takes Obama to react to any emergency. How long did it take him to react to the gulf oil spill? By the time he does anything, or the time his handlers decide what to tell him to do and he does it, the war will be all but over. Don't think China hasn't seen this phenomena. This is the reason they're letting their little attack chihuahua go this far. |
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Can we realistically fight a war with NK, or even back SK, being that we occupy two different war zones in the middle east? I mean, are we spread too thin for this right now? Ready for a draft? The war will be over long before any draftees could make it through the pipeline. The only reason that South Korea hasn't already resolved this issue is that the victory would be more expensive than they could afford. I have a feeling that a war between the Koreas, which we became involved in, would quickly involve China. Unless we nuke each other, i don't see it ending quickly. |
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I wonder just how far we will let them go ? All the way to Seoul. Look at how long it takes Obama to react to any emergency. How long did it take him to react to the gulf oil spill? By the time he does anything, or the time his handlers decide what to tell him to do and he does it, the war will be all but over. Don't think China hasn't seen this phenomena. This is the reason they're letting their little attack chihuahua go this far. Yep, And when it happens that spineless fucker will get up in front of the American television audience and say "Now let's don't jump to conclusions....." 
Seoul will be pulverized before we do anything that even remotely resembles all-out war against the North. And I wouldn't be surprised if the South doesn't get overrun while Obama and Clinton are babbling away in the UN, allowing Zero to just throw in the towel without a fight. 
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I hope those cowardly bastards in NATO are watching Obama's reaction to these blatant attacks on another sovereign country, also under the protection and treaty of the U.S. You know the Russians and Iranians are paying close attention to our Poser-in-Chief and his meaningless rhetoric. What a disgraceful fraud.  |
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Can we realistically fight a war with NK, or even back SK, being that we occupy two different war zones in the middle east? I mean, are we spread too thin for this right now? Ready for a draft? The war will be over long before any draftees could make it through the pipeline. The only reason that South Korea hasn't already resolved this issue is that the victory would be more expensive than they could afford. Just ask the (West) Germens the cost of winning a (cold) war! |