Posted: 1/12/2010 3:47:32 PM EDT
is a shotgun with a pistol grip considered a rifle or pistol? 
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I still think it is a shotgun.
I have seen gun stores not sell a pistol gripped shotgun to people under 21 years of age. This is retarded. If this is your case, buy a model with a stock and buy the pistol grip somewhere else. I dont recal any state laws determining either. Maybe a Federal law but I doubt it. Give us a story to help you 
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It's some gray area that federal law can't seem to sort out. A shotgun is defined as having a stock and a pistol is defined as being readily fired with a single hand or some other criteria. Either some uppity gun stores or the ATF, not sure who started it, noticed this and stopped selling to the <21 crowd. |
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-Rifleguy81 I was looking at the MOSSBERG PERSUADER from classicarms 
but im not quite 21 yet so a pistol is a no-go for me  If your looking to order online look here, then buy the pistol grip seperatly local. www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/37_336/products_id/47809 Maybe Buds will sell you this www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/37_336/products_id/46281 If local stop by a Big 5 and get this big5sportinggoods.shoplocal.com/big5/default.aspx?action=detail&flashbrowse=y&storeid=2503823&rapid=813026&pagenumber=1&listingid=-2088180235&ref=%2fbig5%2fdefault.aspx%3faction%3dbrowsepageflash%26storeid%3d2503823%26pagenumber%3d1%26rapid%3d813026%26prvid%3dBig5-100110 Comes with two barrels and then get a pistol grip local somewhere in town. Hope this helps, and if you have never fired a shotgun with a pistol grip, you aint missing much 
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It's some gray area that federal law can't seem to sort out. A shotgun is defined as having a stock and a pistol is defined as being readily fired with a single hand or some other criteria. Either some uppity gun stores or the ATF, not sure who started it, noticed this and stopped selling to the <21 crowd. ATF...... |
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Shooting a shotgun with a pistol grip only is senseless. You do not gain anything by removing the stock, except when storing the weapon. As most folks will shoot with the weapon held tight into the body at the hip, the lack of stock does not shorten the weapon at all when fired that way, but there is loss of control as the forearm of the shooting hand has nothing to press against.
Hold the shotgun at waist level and tuck the elbow in tight to the body. You wil notice two things 1) With a pistol grip, the elbow has nothing to tuck against, and 2) with a full length stock, your elbow sticks back further than the buttstock does, meaning that you have gained or lost nothing in terms of the length in front of you and you have pressed the stock into you side which aids considerably in control. Where space is at a premium, a folding stock is a better choice than a pistol grip only, even when hip shooting. You gain no tactical advantage with pistol grip only. |
As far as I'm concerned, it's a shotgun and not a pistol.
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a pistol gripped shotgun is perfectly legal as long as the barrel is 18 inches long. Many mossberg guns come equipped w/ both and two barrels. That's the way I interpret it. Smoothbore barrel of at least 18 inches and an overall length of 26 inches. Mossberg 500's fit this spec with the pistol grip and 18.5 inch barrel. No NFA unless you want a shorter barrel. |
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you can have a "short barreled shotgun" with a barrel less than 18 inches. you need to do the NFA firearm act paperwork, pay 250.00 and wait a year. a pistol gripped shotgun is still a shotgun. So, what you're saying is, you don't own any NFA stuff? 
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See, the problem is, a pistol grip shotgun is not a rifle, it's not a pistol, it's not a shotgun, it's an "Other". And to buy an "Other", you have to be 21. Here's why it's "sticky". 26 USC defines a shotgun as: A firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder and designed to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of projectiles or a single projectile for each pull of the trigger. A shotgun, built on and sold with only a pistol grip does not meet that definition. It's not designed to be fired from the shoulder. And it can't be a pistol, since it isn't designed to be operated with one hand. A weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having (a) a chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s); and (b) a short stock designed to be gripped by one hand and at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s). And it can't really be an AOW either, since it's over the 26" (interpretation) of being non-concealable. a weapon made from a shotgun if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length; The term “any other weapon” means any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive, a pistol or revolver having a barrel with a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell, weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels 12 inches or more, less than 18 inches in length, from which only a single discharge can be made from either barrel without manual reloading, and shall include any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire. Such term shall not include a pistol or a revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons designed, made, or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not capable of firing fixed ammunition. So, it's not a shotgun, it's not a pistol, it's not a rifle, it's not an AOW. It's just a firearm. This is why it's restricted to 21 and up. An FFL may only legally sell a shotgun or a rifle to an 18 year old. Since it's neither of those, they have to be 21. Same as an AR-15 receiver. Hopefully that's clear as mud! |