[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Phoenix Metro Open Carry dinner (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/19/2009 11:20:58 AM EDT
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http://www.arizonashooting.com/v3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=75410
If anyone is interested in this, keep up with the thread or join in on AZS to cast your vote. The last one we had this last Friday went over remarkably well with 22 gun totin', hungry guys and gals freakin' out the sheeple  .
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That's awesome. Have to check it out on the board. Thanks for the head sup Just don't be a dork...the mods there suck.  No shit. Have you seen all the locked threads on the front page? What kind of power hungry bastard would do that shit? Oh. Wait. Hi Tim. 
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Well guys and gals, get your gear, it should be on for May 9 @ 6pm at the Golden Corral in Glendale. I'll be there with an AR15 pistol for my OC gun, scare the sheep early on
Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde And then go to jail for misconduct. Why do you feel the need to scare people?? If you want/need attention just join a circus. Grow UP 
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Well guys and gals, get your gear, it should be on for May 9 @ 6pm at the Golden Corral in Glendale. I'll be there with an AR15 pistol for my OC gun, scare the sheep early on
Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde And then go to jail for misconduct. Why do you feel the need to scare people?? If you want/need attention just join a circus. Grow UP
OC is a right still in use today in AZ, and we express that right how we choose to. The more you condition people to the exposure of firearms, no matter how outlandish, the harder it is to get those rights curtailed. Having civil dinners, picnics, etc., is a way to express our rights and show the general populous it's not just bad guys carrying guns, just normal, everyday working stiffs, and OCing really gets the point across. If you don't like it, don't do it, but why condemn me for expressing my Constitutionally protected right? Do you happen to live in one of the Nanny States that doesn't allow OC? Clyde |
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Well guys and gals, get your gear, it should be on for May 9 @ 6pm at the Golden Corral in Glendale. I'll be there with an AR15 pistol for my OC gun, scare the sheep early on
Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde And then go to jail for misconduct. Why do you feel the need to scare people?? If you want/need attention just join a circus. Grow UP
OC is a right still in use today in AZ, and we express that right how we choose to. The more you condition people to the exposure of firearms, no matter how outlandish, the harder it is to get those rights curtailed. Having civil dinners, picnics, etc., is a way to express our rights and show the general populous it's not just bad guys carrying guns, just normal, everyday working stiffs, and OCing really gets the point across. If you don't like it, don't do it, but why condemn me for expressing my Constitutionally protected right? Do you happen to live in one of the Nanny States that doesn't allow OC? Clyde I'm gonna go with you on this one. I haven't even finished my AR and i'm already looking for a way to have this thing strapped to my back 24/7  . But seriously, the intention is not to scare anyone, it's to make them aware that firearms are not the issue, it's the few bad people that get a hold of them that are the problem. If no one ever got murdered with a firearm, people would not think twice to see someone walking around one. All I know is that Arizona has one great thing about it (and only 1 good thing IMO, wasn't my choice to move here, hate the heat) and that is it's gun laws. You better believe we are going to take advantage of them.
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(Rant on) Ya know, I remember a time when things liken say, being openly gay, for example, were not only shocking and frowned upon, but to a point, condemned. But they all got together, rallied, asserted their rights and presto! Not only are they accepted, it has (sadly) become "fashionable" to be "feminized". My point? When did it become wrong to legally assert our 2nd amendment right? They come out of the closet and everyone's like: "Good for you!"; we carry out in the open and people flip-out. God forbid we all get together and rally while OCing, they might call us terrorists and send the National Guard. (Rant off)
Chopsuey: you might be on the wrong forum, dude. Right now, our 2nd ammdt rights are under fire, in case you didn't know buddy. We need to stick together or we might end up like many of our "friends" to the east. *sniff, sniff* does anybody smell that? Smells like a closet-liberal. 
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Do you happen to live in one of the Nanny States that doesn't allow OC? Clyde No, I live here. You just came here from a nanny state and you stated I'll be there with an AR15 pistol for my OC gun, scare the sheep early on. Your intent is to scare people not advocate gun rights. No different than a gang.
Most people I know are aware that OC is legal here. I believe in OC or CC if done responsibly. OC is new to you and you think you have to force OC on everyone else. OCing an AR pistol is just plain ridicules and foolish. Your intent to scare people is irresponsible and criminal. |
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I open carry on a daily basis, I don't feel the need to have a special event to go do it at. If you want open carry activism to work, try looking like normal people that just happen to have guns. Also do it on a regular basis rather than at select special events. Open carry activism works by the cumulative effect of people regularly seeing you go about your business. A bunch of people open carrying in a restaurant on one night won't change anything.
I don't think open carrying an AR15 pistol is a very tasteful exercise of that right, but you can legally do it for now. Frankly I think it undermines the years of effort people have made open carrying. I have open carried and defended open carrying for years, but when people do stuff like you are intending to it makes ME look like a jackass for supporting open carry. |
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(Rant on) Ya know, I remember a time when things liken say, being openly gay, for example, were not only shocking and frowned upon, but to a point, condemned. But they all got together, rallied, asserted their rights and presto! Not only are they accepted, it has (sadly) become "fashionable" to be "feminized". My point? When did it become wrong to legally assert our 2nd amendment right? They come out of the closet and everyone's like: "Good for you!"; we carry out in the open and people flip-out. God forbid we all get together and rally while OCing, they might call us terrorists and send the National Guard. (Rant off) Chopsuey: you might be on the wrong forum, dude. Right now, our 2nd ammdt rights are under fire, in case you didn't know buddy. We need to stick together or we might end up like many of our "friends" to the east. *sniff, sniff* does anybody smell that? Smells like a closet-liberal. Rainbow flags and open carry night at the local diner. In the context you've given there is no difference. Do you really want to compare homosexuals to OC? Wow!
Sniff, Sniff Is the NicJr 12-year old chat forum full? 
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(Rant on) Ya know, I remember a time when things liken say, being openly gay, for example, were not only shocking and frowned upon, but to a point, condemned. But they all got together, rallied, asserted their rights and presto! Not only are they accepted, it has (sadly) become "fashionable" to be "feminized". My point? When did it become wrong to legally assert our 2nd amendment right? They come out of the closet and everyone's like: "Good for you!"; we carry out in the open and people flip-out. God forbid we all get together and rally while OCing, they might call us terrorists and send the National Guard. (Rant off) Chopsuey: you might be on the wrong forum, dude. Right now, our 2nd ammdt rights are under fire, in case you didn't know buddy. We need to stick together or we might end up like many of our "friends" to the east. *sniff, sniff* does anybody smell that? Smells like a closet-liberal. Rainbow flags and open carry night at the local diner. In the context you've given I don't have a gun to OC that matches my leopard-print thong. 
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OC is a right still in use today in AZ, and we express that right how we choose to. The more you condition people to the exposure of firearms, no matter how outlandish, the harder it is to get those rights curtailed. Having civil dinners, picnics, etc., is a way to express our rights and show the general populous it's not just bad guys carrying guns, just normal, everyday working stiffs, and OCing really gets the point across. If you don't like it, don't do it, but why condemn me for expressing my Constitutionally protected right? Do you happen to live in one of the Nanny States that doesn't allow OC? Clyde Yes, OC is a right, one which we shouldn't take for granted. I often write "If we do not exercise a right...did we ever have it to begin with?" However, if the point is to "scare" people, then OC of an AR pistol will certainly accomplish that. If your point is to "... show the general populous it's not just bad guys carrying guns, just normal, everyday working stiffs...", then I don't believe you're going to accomplish that goal. Regardless of what *we* might want to believe, "normal everyday working stiffs" don't go heeled with an AR or AK pistol strapped to their hip. IMO, using the "gays did it" argument (for "extreme demonstration") will backfire on gun owners like it did on the homosexual crowd. Just as there's a difference between men holding hands in public and walking down the street in bondage gear with your man-toy on a leash, there is a difference between going to the Cracker Barrel wearing a Glock and strapping a Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol to your hip. Gays made progress not because of forcing the Mapplethorpe exhibit down the throats of people in Kansas (no pun intended), but because they had a) a sympathetic media, b) sympathetic state legislators and c) turned to try a more "normal" approach. Sure, there are still militant gay activists out there, but I'd argue that by and large it has backfired on them more than been helpful. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. |
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Well, I could care less what anyone has to say contrary to my opinion, It's my right to be ridiculous if I want to be, and my comment on "scare the sheeple early" was meant in jest. If you think it's a smear to OC an AR15 pistol, then you fall into the whole "let's be PC about this, it might give us a bad image" mentalilty, and I don't care. Our rights our under attack, and the more we stand out in our actions, the more attention we're going to get that it's legal and should stay that way.
FTR, I OC almost every day, and almost everywhere I go, and I'm very discreet about it, but this is a special occasion, where there's going to be many of us discreetly carrying anyway. Are we looking to draw attention? Yep, can't deny that, so, a little outlandishness while expressing our rights is not unprecedented, Anyway, hope someone gets some pictures for the AZ Republic so they have a good story about how so many guns, wild, extraordinary, and unusual guns were everywhere, and not one jumped out of it's holster and committed any "gun violence" and everyone left with a full belly and a smile. Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde |
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What a great idea. I won't make it this weekend, but I'd be up for dinner almost anytime. The AR pistol carry thing isn't for me, but I'd OC a glock or a cowboy revolver to show support. We'd like to do this each month, or bi monthly. Golden Corrals are excellent locations, good visibility, open spaces for lots of us, all you can eat great food, and no alcohol. We may try different places but sitdown dining with servers might become a problem with such big parties and we don't want to take over a resturaunt (decrease in visibility). Each time we have one, I'll make a post to keep you guys informed, or, you can just get on AZS and get in on the fun there .
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Since it seems that MudBug just got slapped above me........I'll temper what I was going to say by saying only this: Why can't we all just get along? (where's the love, man?) *Kenpo-Prof: Rock on dude, but don't do anything that would embarrass us. Bear 
(Oh, and by the way.......OKINAWA-TE still rules the roost!)
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I'm saying 3-4 police officers respond, one with a long-gun that you won't see. Did you have a holster for your ar15 pistol, or did you plan to sling it? Nope, got a drop leg holster for it. So why would you think officers would show? Men with guns? Disturbing the peace? Eating too much steak LOL? Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde |
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I'm saying 3-4 police officers respond, one with a long-gun that you won't see. Did you have a holster for your ar15 pistol, or did you plan to sling it? Nope, got a drop leg holster for it. So why would you think officers would show? Men with guns? Disturbing the peace? Eating too much steak LOL? Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde You don't have to be breaking the law........... officers just may want to "talk" to you after a few phone calls they will more then likely receive. We know how it works, we wouldn't do it if everything wasn't up to snuff. There will be plenty of witnesses, cameras, and voice recorders to go around should anything unusual happen. Did you really think we didn't take this into consideration? I used to live in CA, I know exactly what happens, however, I have great faith in the Phoenix Metro area LEOs that they know and understand the laws. So, unless we're asked to leave by management of the GC, there shouldn't be a problem. Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde |
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I'm saying 3-4 police officers respond, one with a long-gun that you won't see. Did you have a holster for your ar15 pistol, or did you plan to sling it? Nope, got a drop leg holster for it. So why would you think officers would show? Men with guns? Disturbing the peace? Eating too much steak LOL? Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde You don't have to be breaking the law........... officers just may want to "talk" to you after a few phone calls they will more then likely receive. As much as I wanted to post saying "OMG, cops showed up in huge numbers, arrested 3 and confiscated 25 firearms" just to get a rise, I can't, it would be a lie. Here's the pics of this month's dinner. We're going to try and get this every month in a different location each time 
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Wow... ummm... yikes Does anyone that attended weigh under 250 pounds? Edit to add........ So, let me get this straight. OC'ing an AR15 pistol in a group of over a dozen other people OC'ing, wasn't enough. As a group you had to stick out more by taking pictures of it, like your proud of it? This doesn't come off as a dinner of friends meeting, it comes off as a dinner of people trying to show off that they have guns on their hip. |
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Wow... ummm... yikes Does anyone that attended weigh under 250 pounds? Edit to add........ So, let me get this straight. OC'ing an AR15 pistol in a group of over a dozen other people OC'ing, wasn't enough. As a group you had to stick out more by taking pictures of it, like your proud of it? This doesn't come off as a dinner of friends meeting, it comes off as a dinner of people trying to show off that they have guns on their hip. And you sound like a libtard from a Nanny Obama state. Clyde |
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If you want to accomplish something activism wise, why don't you go around to all the state government buildings that are required by law to check firearms if they prohibit them, make sure they allow you to check them and have immediate on site access to storage lockers? This is a constant issue, and some local government either don't want to follow state law or are lazy about it.
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If you want to accomplish something activism wise, why don't you go around to all the state government buildings that are required by law to check firearms if they prohibit them, make sure they allow you to check them and have immediate on site access to storage lockers? This is a constant issue, and some local government either don't want to follow state law or are lazy about it. If you think this is activism, you are deluding yourselves. You know, there's all forms of activism, and if this isn't your cup of tea, don't do it. Maybe you can be the one to do the .gov building thing, and if you want some help, give me a shout, I'd be happy to take part. Until then, why not STFU with your criticism for the exercise of our rights. Clyde |
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Wow... ummm... yikes Does anyone that attended weigh under 250 pounds? Edit to add........ So, let me get this straight. OC'ing an AR15 pistol in a group of over a dozen other people OC'ing, wasn't enough. As a group you had to stick out more by taking pictures of it, like your proud of it? This doesn't come off as a dinner of friends meeting, it comes off as a dinner of people trying to show off that they have guns on their hip. And you sound like a libtard from a Nanny Obama state. Clyde Sadly, that's just about the response I expected. And that's probably because it's true. Go back to DU where you can be underappreciated. Clyde |
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You know, there's all forms of activism, and if this isn't your cup of tea, don't do it. Maybe you can be the one to do the .gov building thing, and if you want some help, give me a shout, I'd be happy to take part. Until then, why not STFU with your criticism for the exercise of our rights. Clyde A lot of transplants from other states go through what I call "freedom shock" when they move here. They simply can't believe the amount of freedom we have here and think things like open carry are crazy! You seem to have had the opposite reaction. You're "freedom drunk" and rather than responsibly exercising your rights under state law, you are choosing to flaunt them in an excessive manner. I have been involved in activism in AZ and open carrying in this state longer than you have lived here. Your open carry extreme exhibition undoes any sense of normalcy I and others have tried to ingrain with the regular practice. To be clear I have no problem with the rest of the people pictured, they're carrying normal side arms looking like normal people. |
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You know, there's all forms of activism, and if this isn't your cup of tea, don't do it. Maybe you can be the one to do the .gov building thing, and if you want some help, give me a shout, I'd be happy to take part. Until then, why not STFU with your criticism for the exercise of our rights. Clyde A lot of transplants from other states go through what I call "freedom shock" when they move here. They simply can't believe the amount of freedom we have here and think things like open carry are crazy! You seem to have had the opposite reaction. You're "freedom drunk" and rather than responsibly exercising your rights under state law, you are choosing to flaunt them in an excessive manner. I have been involved in activism in AZ and open carrying in this state longer than you have lived here. Your open carry extreme exhibition undoes any sense of normalcy I and others have tried to ingrain with the regular practice. To be clear I have no problem with the rest of the people pictured, they're carrying normal side arms looking like normal people. Oh, and there's a problem with being "drunk with freedom" now? Wow, ain't heard that one yet. I was born and raised in Texas, then joined the military and saw the world and can appreciate even more the rights I have here in the US. So yea, I'm gonna get a bit extreme in the exercise of my rights as I was denied them for so many years. Thing is, you really don't get it, you're all about the practice of a "PC, don't offend anyone" way, I'm not, and I'm happy with my no compromise position. Don't come shittin' on my parade cuz yours got rained out. Clyde |
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You know, there's all forms of activism, and if this isn't your cup of tea, don't do it. Maybe you can be the one to do the .gov building thing, and if you want some help, give me a shout, I'd be happy to take part. Until then, why not STFU with your criticism for the exercise of our rights. Clyde A lot of transplants from other states go through what I call "freedom shock" when they move here. They simply can't believe the amount of freedom we have here and think things like open carry are crazy! You seem to have had the opposite reaction. You're "freedom drunk" and rather than responsibly exercising your rights under state law, you are choosing to flaunt them in an excessive manner. I have been involved in activism in AZ and open carrying in this state longer than you have lived here. Your open carry extreme exhibition undoes any sense of normalcy I and others have tried to ingrain with the regular practice. To be clear I have no problem with the rest of the people pictured, they're carrying normal side arms looking like normal people. Oh, and there's a problem with being "drunk with freedom" now? Wow, ain't heard that one yet. I was born and raised in Texas, then joined the military and saw the world and can appreciate even more the rights I have here in the US. So yea, I'm gonna get a bit extreme in the exercise of my rights as I was denied them for so many years. Thing is, you really don't get it, you're all about the practice of a "PC, don't offend anyone" way, I'm not, and I'm happy with my no compromise position. Don't come shittin' on my parade cuz yours got rained out. Clyde You are what is called a spoiler. For a long time activists in this state have tried to protect the OC laws here alive and well against a horde of transplanted yankees and hippies from CA by exersizing the right to open carry in a civil way that shows people that carry guns are normal people and not the crazy gun toting lunatics they fear. They dress nice, act respectful, and don't try to stand out. Many people that move here from liberal havens are shocked to see people wearing guns, but maybe seeing the person as just a normal, decent citizen makes them think "Well, that seems harmless", but then some idiot shows up wearing what looks like a bad sci-fi movie gun prop on his hip and they think "Jesus Christ, is that really legal here? We need to do something about that". One day those liberal clown are gonna outnumber us here (hell, they probably already do) and when a law banning OC comes up they will think back on the goofball they saw at some restaurant carrying Han Solo's blaster strapped to his leg and they will vote yes, or urge they reps to vote yes. BTW, how did the people sitting across from you enjoy having your toy pointing at them while they were eating. Again, you are a Spoiler. |
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You know, there's all forms of activism, and if this isn't your cup of tea, don't do it. Maybe you can be the one to do the .gov building thing, and if you want some help, give me a shout, I'd be happy to take part. Until then, why not STFU with your criticism for the exercise of our rights. Clyde A lot of transplants from other states go through what I call "freedom shock" when they move here. They simply can't believe the amount of freedom we have here and think things like open carry are crazy! You seem to have had the opposite reaction. You're "freedom drunk" and rather than responsibly exercising your rights under state law, you are choosing to flaunt them in an excessive manner. I have been involved in activism in AZ and open carrying in this state longer than you have lived here. Your open carry extreme exhibition undoes any sense of normalcy I and others have tried to ingrain with the regular practice. To be clear I have no problem with the rest of the people pictured, they're carrying normal side arms looking like normal people. Oh, and there's a problem with being "drunk with freedom" now? Wow, ain't heard that one yet. I was born and raised in Texas, then joined the military and saw the world and can appreciate even more the rights I have here in the US. So yea, I'm gonna get a bit extreme in the exercise of my rights as I was denied them for so many years. Thing is, you really don't get it, you're all about the practice of a "PC, don't offend anyone" way, I'm not, and I'm happy with my no compromise position. Don't come shittin' on my parade cuz yours got rained out. Clyde You are what is called a spoiler. For a long time activists in this state have tried to protect the OC laws here alive and well against a horde of transplanted yankees and hippies from CA by exersizing the right to open carry in a civil way that shows people that carry guns are normal people and not the crazy gun toting lunatics they fear. They dress nice, act respectful, and don't try to stand out. Many people that move here from liberal havens are shocked to see people wearing guns, but maybe seeing the person as just a normal, decent citizen makes them think "Well, that seems harmless", but then some idiot shows up wearing what looks like a bad sci-fi movie gun prop on his hip and they think "Jesus Christ, is that really legal here? We need to do something about that". One day those liberal clown are gonna outnumber us here (hell, they probably already do) and when a law banning OC comes up they will think back on the goofball they saw at some restaurant carrying Han Solo's blaster strapped to his leg and they will vote yes, or urge they reps to vote yes. BTW, how did the people sitting across from you enjoy having your toy pointing at them while they were eating. Again, you are a Spoiler. I have to agree. You obviously carried an AR pistol for shock value. Hell, why not just carry an actual AR-15? That would be legal as well. The idea is to promote the normalcy of open carry. You don't promote that by carrying what the average person would perceive to be especially scary. You have to remember this isn't about right and wrong, it's about perception. IMO, carrying an AR pistol all decked out in a thigh rig to Golden Corral reflects badly on the rest of us. It screams attention whore - even more than your shirt. |
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You know, there's all forms of activism, and if this isn't your cup of tea, don't do it. Maybe you can be the one to do the .gov building thing, and if you want some help, give me a shout, I'd be happy to take part. Until then, why not STFU with your criticism for the exercise of our rights. Clyde A lot of transplants from other states go through what I call "freedom shock" when they move here. They simply can't believe the amount of freedom we have here and think things like open carry are crazy! You seem to have had the opposite reaction. You're "freedom drunk" and rather than responsibly exercising your rights under state law, you are choosing to flaunt them in an excessive manner. I have been involved in activism in AZ and open carrying in this state longer than you have lived here. Your open carry extreme exhibition undoes any sense of normalcy I and others have tried to ingrain with the regular practice. To be clear I have no problem with the rest of the people pictured, they're carrying normal side arms looking like normal people. Oh, and there's a problem with being "drunk with freedom" now? Wow, ain't heard that one yet. I was born and raised in Texas, then joined the military and saw the world and can appreciate even more the rights I have here in the US. So yea, I'm gonna get a bit extreme in the exercise of my rights as I was denied them for so many years. Thing is, you really don't get it, you're all about the practice of a "PC, don't offend anyone" way, I'm not, and I'm happy with my no compromise position. Don't come shittin' on my parade cuz yours got rained out. Clyde You are what is called a spoiler. For a long time activists in this state have tried to protect the OC laws here alive and well against a horde of transplanted yankees and hippies from CA by exersizing the right to open carry in a civil way that shows people that carry guns are normal people and not the crazy gun toting lunatics they fear. They dress nice, act respectful, and don't try to stand out. Many people that move here from liberal havens are shocked to see people wearing guns, but maybe seeing the person as just a normal, decent citizen makes them think "Well, that seems harmless", but then some idiot shows up wearing what looks like a bad sci-fi movie gun prop on his hip and they think "Jesus Christ, is that really legal here? We need to do something about that". One day those liberal clown are gonna outnumber us here (hell, they probably already do) and when a law banning OC comes up they will think back on the goofball they saw at some restaurant carrying Han Solo's blaster strapped to his leg and they will vote yes, or urge they reps to vote yes. BTW, how did the people sitting across from you enjoy having your toy pointing at them while they were eating. Again, you are a Spoiler. I have to agree. You obviously carried an AR pistol for shock value. Hell, why not just carry an actual AR-15? That would be legal as well. The idea is to promote the normalcy of open carry. You don't promote that by carrying what the average person would perceive to be especially scary. You have to remember this isn't about right and wrong, it's about perception. IMO, carrying an AR pistol all decked out in a thigh rig to Golden Corral reflects badly on the rest of us. It screams attention whore - even more than your shirt. So it's quite obvious, you're part of the "closet gunnie" crowd I got so used to dealing with in CA, and you can see where that's gone, and why I moved here. Yea, shock value, at seeing guns, wouldn't matter big or small, it's still a fucking gun, and someone is gonna get freaked out no matter the size. Tell us old, wise gurus of gun rights, where is the line of scary vs. non-scary? Clyde |
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Do you open carry your AR-15 pistol with some sort of regularity in your every day life? Have you carried it at the grocery store, gas station or department store without issues? I'm genuinely curious as I've never seen it done. BTW- Your dust cover is open. |
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Kenpo- Do you open carry your AR-15 pistol with some sort of regularity in your every day life? Have you carried it at the grocery store, gas station or department store without issues? I'm genuinely curious as I've never seen it done. BTW- Your dust cover is open. Not something I do everyday, in fact, this was the first time, and I don't plan on doing it all the time, that gun is heavy as hell. I generally carry a G30, small, compact and hardly seen.  oops on the DC
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Tell us old, wise gurus of gun rights, where is the line of scary vs. non-scary? Clyde Take a look at what plain clothes police officers wear/carry. It's a good baseline. I don't care what you do with your OC, and making it almost invisible, well, why not just CC instead? Hell, I've got two state's permits to CC, but that's a privilege, not a right, big difference. The point of the gathering is to let people know that OCing is legal, getting the populace to accept the visuals of gunowners out in public and realize, we're not all "right wing extremist" (at least according to DHS) and there's no plans to create havoc just because there's guns on our hips (or thigh in my case ).
As I've said before, if it's not for you, don't show up, but there's no sense codemning me for my practice of being a bit outlandish by carrying a bigger gun. You may not think our activism is worthwhile, and I certainly differ in opinion. While other issues like the storage lockers for firearms in state buildings is a biggie for you, it's not as pressing for me, but I will certainly condone your activism to get those issues fixed, and help when and where I can. And to top it off, I'm a huge Anti ILLEGAL alien activist as well, so when I'm not doing OC activism, I'm showing up for the other rallies to protect our borders. Clyde |
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You are what is called a spoiler. For a long time activists in this state have tried to protect the OC laws here alive and well against a horde of transplanted yankees and hippies from CA by exersizing the right to open carry in a civil way that shows people that carry guns are normal people and not the crazy gun toting lunatics they fear. They dress nice, act respectful, and don't try to stand out. Many people that move here from liberal havens are shocked to see people wearing guns, but maybe seeing the person as just a normal, decent citizen makes them think "Well, that seems harmless", but then some idiot shows up wearing what looks like a bad sci-fi movie gun prop on his hip and they think "Jesus Christ, is that really legal here? We need to do something about that". One day those liberal clown are gonna outnumber us here (hell, they probably already do) and when a law banning OC comes up they will think back on the goofball they saw at some restaurant carrying Han Solo's blaster strapped to his leg and they will vote yes, or urge they reps to vote yes. BTW, how did the people sitting across from you enjoy having your toy pointing at them while they were eating. Again, you are a Spoiler. Well stated. Excessive displays are immature and should be left in high school where they belong. The loudest in the room is the weakest. Besides, if there was some kind of conflict, who is going to be the first target in that scenario? The guy with the KEMPO tattoo and AR pistol has the biggest bullseye. Sometimes discretion is the best way to defend your rights, and also your life. OC is a serious issue, not to be mocked by strapping on level 4 phasers to ourselves. While carrying an AR15 pistol may be legal, it is not APPROPRIATE in a restaurant setting. There is a difference between exercising a right and abusing a right. However, the rest of the group looked normal, and I even saw a couple of familiar faces. KenProf, I'm sure you are a nice dude and mean well, but I think the hardware is a bit overboard for a dinner setting. |
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KenProf, I'm sure you are a nice dude and mean well, but I think the hardware is a bit overboard for a dinner setting. No, I'm not a nice guy, and I've never proclaimed to be. If you wanna be a " PC closet gunnie" be my guest, but that ain't my style. Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde |
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I felt the need to voice my opinion on this thread.
I just moved back to AZ, after living 16 years in one of the most liberal states in the Union. I have purchased my first pistol again after all these years and OC on a daily basis. I am a card carrying NRA member, continuously follow up with my elected officials to make them aware of my opinions, and do everything in my power to ensure that I, nor any other citizen, loses their Second Amendment rights. I am 100% behind any attempts to promote our constitutional rights to own and carry firearms. Although, I have to agree with some of the posters in that adding "shock value" to activism attempts tends to only backfire on the original intent. As a matter of fact, myself and some others would have joined this dinner last night had it not been for the extremism. Yes, you have the civil right to OC your cool pistol. But, should you to promote your ideals in this fashion? I understand the point you're trying to make in setting an example that not all gun-toters are right-wing extremists and just normal average joes. The problem is that the left-wing liberals won't view you in the same light as you or others on your side will see you. Someone made the point of perception. Perception is reality, unless it's managed properly. And in a public scenario, it's very difficult to manage perception with extremism. I fully respect your right to carry your pistol and your attempt to promote the agenda of OC. I only feel to point out the negative potential of your carry gun of choice in this situation. xplant |
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http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/stories/KTVKLNews20071124_pruitts.36592844.html Must be typical "out in the public" dress |
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I felt the need to voice my opinion on this thread. I just moved back to AZ, after living 16 years in one of the most liberal states in the Union. I have purchased my first pistol again after all these years and OC on a daily basis. I am a card carrying NRA member, continuously follow up with my elected officials to make them aware of my opinions, and do everything in my power to ensure that I, nor any other citizen, loses their Second Amendment rights. I am 100% behind any attempts to promote our constitutional rights to own and carry firearms. Although, I have to agree with some of the posters in that adding "shock value" to activism attempts tends to only backfire on the original intent. As a matter of fact, myself and some others would have joined this dinner last night had it not been for the extremism. Yes, you have the civil right to OC your cool pistol. But, should you to promote your ideals in this fashion? I understand the point you're trying to make in setting an example that not all gun-toters are right-wing extremists and just normal average joes. The problem is that the left-wing liberals won't view you in the same light as you or others on your side will see you. Someone made the point of perception. Perception is reality, unless it's managed properly. And in a public scenario, it's very difficult to manage perception with extremism. I fully respect your right to carry your pistol and your attempt to promote the agenda of OC. I only feel to point out the negative potential of your carry gun of choice in this situation. xplant You see, that's the thing, I don't care what "left wing liberals" think of me, and that's why so many of our gun rights have disappeared over the last quarter century. You're simply appeasing the "left wing liberals" and I refuse to, and instead, call them on their idiocy. Sometimes, you have to make bold statements for some to get the message, and, I fit the profile for making bold statements. I can tell you, not one gun jumped out of it's holster and committed any "gun violence" contrary to what Liberals might think would happen at an event such as this, and it blows their whole argument. Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day Clyde |