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3/8/2005 1:58:10 PM EDT
ok, this is a total "for instance" kinda thing.   could I get in trouble if I were to video tape stupid drivers?  I swear that comming from the east valley I have to see the worlds most stupid and wreckless drivers.  What can happen if I video tape these people being stupid, and submit the tapes to the police?    maybe get an officer to these areas to curtail the bad driving habits?
3/8/2005 2:17:25 PM EDT
[#1]

could I get in trouble if I were to video tape stupid drivers?


Not really.


What can happen if I video tape these people being stupid


Said people think your undercover and start shooting at you?


maybe get an officer to these areas to curtail the bad driving habits?


It's been known to work, especialy if another copy with angry letter goes to a local TV news network.
3/8/2005 2:28:51 PM EDT
[#2]
ok.. let me add an addendum.. is it advisable?
3/8/2005 2:34:23 PM EDT
[#3]

ok.. let me add an addendum.. is it advisable?


Have you been properly trained in covert/overt Surveilance?

Do you have the proper State certs for this?

This could be dangerous

3/8/2005 2:38:43 PM EDT
[#4]

ok.. let me add an addendum.. is it advisable?


Now that's the big question, and only you can answer it.
Will the benefit of bringing this to light be cause for reprecussions, or retaliation?
And if so, are the safety concerns that you address greater than the risk of doing nothing?
3/8/2005 2:51:34 PM EDT
[#5]
What part of the East Valley you in?  People are great drivers by my house.
3/8/2005 2:59:17 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
What part of the East Valley you in?  People are great drivers by my house.


far east.. power and the 60 area.. folks always running red lights, going through yellow lights blocking the intersection so opposing traffic can't get through because the rat bastards want to save themself a minute.  oh yeah.. and if you have a full size pickup and can see into peoples vehicles, you can see them reading books, taking notes, , smacking kids in the back seat, taking their eyes off the road to look on the floor board for something, fingering themself (yes i've even seen that and wished i had my camera) all while driving WAY above the speed LIMIT on the 60... oh yeah.. and those freakin godless hun bastards that use cell phones WHILE slapping their kids in the back seat and stuffing a big mack into their face.... did that get it this time around?
3/8/2005 3:02:26 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:

ok.. let me add an addendum.. is it advisable?


Have you been properly trained in covert/overt Surveilance?
you mean i need training to operate a camera? (total joke there, dont get mad)

Do you have the proper State certs for this?  
ok, serious time... do i need a cert to do something like that? is there even a cert to do that?

This could be dangerous
i know, but no less dangerous than the evil no good law breakers that endanger our lives with reckless driving

3/8/2005 3:04:10 PM EDT
[#8]
You forgot the cell phone drivers, GOD how I hate cell phone drivers!
3/8/2005 3:06:13 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
What part of the East Valley you in?  People are great drivers by my house.


far east.. power and the 60 area.. folks always running red lights, going through yellow lights blocking the intersection so opposing traffic can't get through because the rat bastards want to save themself a minute.  oh yeah.. and if you have a full size pickup and can see into peoples vehicles, you can see them reading books, taking notes, , smacking kids in the back seat, taking their eyes off the road to look on the floor board for something, fingering themself (yes i've even seen that and wished i had my camera) all while driving WAY above the speed LIMIT on the 60...



Hold on there Cowboy...

You need to tell us more about this.

3/8/2005 3:18:13 PM EDT
[#10]
I suppose one question is WHEN are you going to be doing this...while you're driving, turning YOU into one of the stupid drivers you are ranting about?

Or do you plan on standing at stop lights with your video camera, taping people?
3/8/2005 3:36:13 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
I suppose one question is WHEN are you going to be doing this...while you're driving, turning YOU into one of the stupid drivers you are ranting about?

Or do you plan on standing at stop lights with your video camera, taping people?



I was thinking more along the lines of a police type dash mounted cam kinda thing, just so i wouldn't have to be stupid too, i have thought about that.   but i havent' thought about just standing there with my camera though.. good idea....
3/8/2005 3:57:59 PM EDT
[#12]
DPS is probably hiring,   get paid to "make the streets safer"

3/8/2005 4:13:02 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
I was thinking more along the lines of a police type dash mounted cam kinda thing, just so i wouldn't have to be stupid too, i have thought about that.   but i havent' thought about just standing there with my camera though.. good idea....



Well, unless you have an officially calibrated speedo that is hooked into that video cam, you can forget any speeding violation "catches" you might make, since there'd be no way to prove someone was speeding or what speed they were going.

There is a reason all those cop dash cams have the date, time, speed, direction, etc., superimposed onto the recording.

3/8/2005 4:46:12 PM EDT
[#14]
After reading your other post and now this one, it sounds to me like you are living in a state of fear. Maybe you should just go back to California where its safe...
3/8/2005 4:47:23 PM EDT
[#15]
ok... we're drifting too far off here.. everyone knows that a marked unit is a blazing sign that says to everyone "Be Good" and everyone drives all nice and stuff... thats why being a DPS officer isn't gonna be any good in THIS case... my argument isnt against the folks speeding only.. it's mainly against the other blatent safety fuck ups i see....
3/8/2005 4:48:18 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
After reading your other post and now this one, it sounds to me like you are living in a state of fear. Maybe you should just go back to California where its safe...

after reading your post here.. a kind "Fuck You" is in order....and you haven't READ anything but what you wanted to extrapolate from what i have said..
3/8/2005 4:49:06 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
far east.. power and the 60 area



What a coincidence I drive by there all the time


.. folks always running red lights,


we have traffic light cameras...


going through yellow lights


OH DEAR GOD THE HORROR!!!


blocking the intersection so opposing traffic can't get through because the rat bastards want to save themself a minute.


OH THE MADNESS, WHEN WILL IT END!!!


oh yeah.. and if you have a full size pickup and can see into peoples vehicles, you can see them reading books, taking notes, , smacking kids in the back seat, taking their eyes off the road to look on the floor board for something,


WTF are you doing driving if you're watching all these people?  

BTW the kids need to get smacked.


fingering themself (yes i've even seen that and wished i had my camera)


So you can drive and take pictures at the same time???


all while driving WAY above the speed LIMIT on the 60... oh yeah..


WHO CARES!  It's the freeway...speed limits are generally a revenue rasing measure, aside from certain areas like schools.


and those freakin godless hun bastards that use cell phones WHILE slapping their kids in the back seat and stuffing a big mack into their face.... did that get it this time around?


WELCOME TO ARIZONA, IT'S CRAZY HERE AND WE LIKE IT THAT WAY!
3/8/2005 4:49:57 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:
After reading your other post and now this one, it sounds to me like you are living in a state of fear. Maybe you should just go back to California where its safe...

after reading your post here.. a kind "Fuck You" is in order....



Aww a man after my own heart!

Edited to add: Ok so you dont want to go back, how about you just take care of yourself and stop worrying about all the other kids on the playground?
3/8/2005 4:51:33 PM EDT
[#19]
ok.. i see this one is gonna get fun too
3/8/2005 4:54:15 PM EDT
[#20]
Seriously man, try Texas. DPS there will just fucking shoot your ass off the road if your being an asshat. And there is no open carry, so you wont have to duck everytime you hear a backfire thinking its a stray round from a fellow citizen...
3/8/2005 4:55:05 PM EDT
[#21]
Thanks for visiting..... now go back home, we don't need no "Nanny State" here
3/8/2005 4:59:25 PM EDT
[#22]
Hey guys i found one of teufel's high school pics!

3/8/2005 5:07:07 PM EDT
[#23]


   A site on the web made by Phoenix officers. To report Bad Drivers
3/8/2005 5:10:50 PM EDT
[#24]
Ok lets get this back on track.

Tell more about the lady.
3/8/2005 5:12:51 PM EDT
[#25]
3/8/2005 5:39:29 PM EDT
[#26]
ok.. in trying not to leave anyone out here.. lets hope i got this all....

SInistralrifleman.... all that bable you came out with.. it's called being aware of your surroundings.. try it sometime, you too may one day have a good driving record....

Lumpy... your quote states everything that i was saying earlier.. enough said about that...

FNG... theres no way in HELL i'd go back to PRK.... as far as watching out for myself and not worrying about other folks.. well, watching out for other folks IS taking care of myself.  no thanks on the Texas deal.. i left texas for here.oh yeah... you forgot a few things from that picture.. you forgot my whistle, arm band, my tuba, pee wee herman bicycle, and the nazi flag behind me....

Garryowen... damn... that song didn't do custer any good.. maybe you'll fare better?

and a whole slew of "Fuck You's" to everyone i missed and think is an asshole
3/8/2005 5:49:16 PM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
Ok lets get this back on track.

Tell more about the lady.



it was on the 60 west bound into phoenix around the mill offramp, i was lookin over to change lanes and here was this hot lil blonde wearin a skirt drivin down the road with her hand shoved between her legs... so being the ever curteous driver that i am... i didn't merge right away, just waiting patiently for traffic to open up.. and her hand didn't move away.. well.. she notices me lookin over and speeds up letting me make my lane change..... now, i could be wrong.. but if my guess is right.. she wasn't keepin her hand there to polish her nails...
3/8/2005 5:49:27 PM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
SInistralrifleman.... all that bable you came out with.. it's called being aware of your surroundings.. try it sometime, you too may one day have a good driving record....



I have a good driving record...nut sure how many photo radar tickets Darth Vader get though, that Halloween mask rocks!
3/8/2005 6:27:15 PM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
Garryowen... damn... that song didn't do custer any good.. maybe you'll fare better?



The Tree of Liberty needs the blood of heroes from time to time. While Custer might not have fought the good fight, he defiantly died well. Crazy Horse might have won that one battle, but he lost the war (and it cost his people their future).

Since then, that song (and motto) has been good to my Regiment…. Wounded Knee, The Philippines, Korea, Viet Nam (the Ia Drang Valley), Iraq (v1.0 & v2.0)...We have consistently pounded our nations enemies into the ground.
3/8/2005 6:37:51 PM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Garryowen... damn... that song didn't do custer any good.. maybe you'll fare better?



The Tree of Liberty needs the blood of heroes from time to time. While Custer might not have fought the good fight, he defiantly died well. Crazy Horse might have won that one battle, but he lost the war (and it cost his people their future).

Since then, that song (and motto) has been good to my Regiment…. Wounded Knee, The Philippines, Korea, Viet Nam (the Ia Drang Valley), Iraq (v1.0 & v2.0)...We have consistently pounded our nations enemies into the ground.



I'd rather it not be our blood.. and truth be told.. the 7th cav did fight the good fight, custer made a mistake in letting his ego get the better of him.. but he did fight the good fight.. and it cost him and his men dearly... sheesh.. I know WAY more about the cav than i really wanted to.. We had an Army officer that was with the cav in our Regt.... the fucker made us learn that freakin song by singin it all the damn time.....
3/8/2005 6:39:55 PM EDT
[#31]

We have consistently pounded our nations enemies into the ground.




Harrumph!

3/8/2005 6:43:21 PM EDT
[#32]
teufel-hunden0861,


Did you migrate here from a communist country?
3/8/2005 6:45:19 PM EDT
[#33]

and a whole slew of "Fuck You's" to everyone i missed and think is an asshole


www.ladyofthecake.com/mel/saddles/sounds/state.wav

3/8/2005 6:54:47 PM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:
teufel-hunden0861,
Did you migrate here from a communist country?



yeah.. America.. where we were  allowed to think freely and express ourselves before every PAC got their hands into the pockets of politicians.. guess you dont believe in that huh?
3/8/2005 6:57:04 PM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:
Lumpy... your quote states everything that i was saying earlier.. enough said about that...





I have a quote about your traffic concerns?
3/8/2005 7:03:48 PM EDT
[#36]
lumpy...your quote "Its the right and duty of every American man to own and be proficient with a rifle capable of going to war."
 that was what i was getting at.... and be proficient with..... it's all about the training.. from another topic
3/8/2005 7:05:31 PM EDT
[#37]
So, Truffle Dog, which regiment did you serve in?
What?
When?
Where?
MOS?

Unless, its all OPSEC, we are excited to hear about it.

For someone who served, you seem afraid of your own shadow... of course, that is just an observation of mine... and it may be wrong... may...be... wrong.

Y-
3/8/2005 7:12:27 PM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:

going through yellow lights


OH DEAR GOD THE HORROR!!!



You have to realize, in teh PRK, going through a yellow light is a near capital offense.  If you are not OUT of the intersection when it turns red (defined as your rear axle across the imaginary crosswalk line of the sidewalk on the FAR side of the direction of travel), you ran a red light.

This is also the state that says it's OK to carry an open firearm, as long as it's unloaded and you have no ammo on your person.

I am SO glad I left that fucked up place.
3/8/2005 7:27:14 PM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:
So, Truffle Dog, which regiment did you serve in?
What?
When?
Where?
MOS?
Unless, its all OPSEC, we are excited to hear about it.
For someone who served, you seem afraid of your own shadow... of course, that is just an observation of mine... and it may be wrong... may...be... wrong.Y-



ok.. the question is fair... i enlisted in the Marine Corps in 1992, went to boot camp on 6 july 1993, graduated platoon 1042 SDI S/Sgt Crane, S/Sgt Winn, Sgt Gaspero, and Sgt Hensen, on 1 oct 1993.  after MCT, i went to Artillery Scout Observer school (MASOC class 501) at Ft. Still, OK graduated 17 december 1993 taught by M/Sgt Highsmith.  from there i was sent to NAB Coronado for naval gunfire school (2 week course to seperate arty CFF and NGF CFF) taught by GySgt, later M/Sgt McGrath.  on 24 january 1994 i was sent to 11th Marine Regiment at camp Las Pulgas on Camp Pendleton , CA to serve as an 0861 (my MOS) Artillery Forward observer.. my EAS was 5 july 1997, but i had 64 days terminal leave, so i took those and had a good time for a couple months.  any more questions ,or would you like me to print out an SF180 form and sign it so YOU can get my military records?  as for the OPSEC shit.. come on dude.. my hobby is routing out phonies in my spare time, which there is little of.. scared of my shadow?  sheesh.. i ask a flippin question about asshole drivers to see what i can do to help and i'm scared of my shadow?   i value my life and the safety of those around me and i'm scared of my shadow?  i state that i happen to agree with weapons training and i'm scared of my shadow?  dude.. fuck you.. i'm about safety and enjoying the sport of shooting and not get hurt or hurt someone else
3/8/2005 7:32:47 PM EDT
[#40]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Ok lets get this back on track.

Tell more about the lady.



it was on the 60 west bound into phoenix around the mill offramp, i was lookin over to change lanes and here was this hot lil blonde wearin a skirt drivin down the road with her hand shoved between her legs... so being the ever curteous driver that i am... i didn't merge right away, just waiting patiently for traffic to open up.. and her hand didn't move away.. well.. she notices me lookin over and speeds up letting me make my lane change..... now, i could be wrong.. but if my guess is right.. she wasn't keepin her hand there to polish her nails...



Mayby her hand was cold?

Did she smile at you?  
3/8/2005 7:34:50 PM EDT
[#41]

Quoted:

Quoted:

going through yellow lights


OH DEAR GOD THE HORROR!!!

You have to realize, in teh PRK, going through a yellow light is a near capital offense.  If you are not OUT of the intersection when it turns red (defined as your rear axle across the imaginary crosswalk line of the sidewalk on the FAR side of the direction of travel), you ran a red light.  This is also the state that says it's OK to carry an open firearm, as long as it's unloaded and you have no ammo on your person.  I am SO glad I left that fucked up place.



ok.. i was taken out of context here too... go check out power road and the 60 off/on ramp area at about noon to 1pm... you'll notice that folks comming off the 60 east bound try to get through the light and block traffic for opposing traffic, just so they can make a few extra seconds, but in turn fuck everyone else.. or comming onto the 60 west bound there too, folks comming south on power road will not even stop at a red light and cut other folks off who have a protected green turn light to access the 60... i'm not supposed to get pissed because someone cuts me off or fucks up traffic ahead of me????  jesus fuckin christ, mary, joseph, and the god damned donkey... i'm just trying to find a legal way of trying to help out and get folks to realise there's more than just them on the road.. but no.. i guess it's not ment to be
3/8/2005 7:35:54 PM EDT
[#42]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:
Ok lets get this back on track.
Tell more about the lady.


Mayby her hand was cold?
Did she smile at you?  



dude.. i'm too ugly for a hot chick like that to smile at me... it was more like a pained look of pissed off that i'm the ugly fucker that caught her...
3/8/2005 7:53:28 PM EDT
[#43]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:
Ok lets get this back on track.
Tell more about the lady.


Mayby her hand was cold?
Did she smile at you?  



dude.. I'm too ugly for a hot chick like that to smile at me... it was more like a pained look of pissed off that I'm the ugly fucker that caught her...



Now thats to funny.  I drive all over the valley, and thats one thing I haven't seen.

I did see some chick changing  her shirt on the Val Vista off ramp.

3/8/2005 7:53:29 PM EDT
[#44]

as for the OPSEC shit.. come on dude.. my hobby is routing out phonies in my spare time, which there is little of.. scared of my shadow? sheesh.. i ask a flippin question about asshole drivers to see what i can do to help and i'm scared of my shadow? i value my life and the safety of those around me and i'm scared of my shadow? i state that i happen to agree with weapons training and i'm scared of my shadow? dude.. fuck you.. i'm about safety and enjoying the sport of shooting and not get hurt or hurt someone else




Tisk, tisk, tisk TF... I was asking a question, thats all. Relax dude, take a Prozac, or a lude.

Welcome to Valley driving... scares the hell out of me too, but that is the way they drive there, get used to it. You are not going to do anything to change them. Blend in or move out of there.

But, honestly, you do seem a bit afraid of your shadow. Kidding again... See, almost got you to toss out another fuck you, didn't I?

What is the closest you very called for fire? Distance and size of the gun...?

Y-
3/8/2005 8:28:34 PM EDT
[#45]
It seems to me you have forgotten a very valuable suggestion which was probably made to all of us at one point or another while engaged in activities in a new AO.

Watch, Listen, Learn, and STFU. You're a rank Noob. Comport yourself as such, until you get the lay of the land.

Here Endeth the Lesson.

D.
AZEX
3/8/2005 8:30:59 PM EDT
[#46]

Quoted:

as for the OPSEC shit.. come on dude.. my hobby is routing out phonies in my spare time, which there is little of.. scared of my shadow? sheesh.. i ask a flippin question about asshole drivers to see what i can do to help and i'm scared of my shadow? i value my life and the safety of those around me and i'm scared of my shadow? i state that i happen to agree with weapons training and i'm scared of my shadow? dude.. fuck you.. i'm about safety and enjoying the sport of shooting and not get hurt or hurt someone else




Tisk, tisk, tisk TF... I was asking a question, thats all. Relax dude, take a Prozac, or a lude.
i blew that gasket long ago...
Welcome to Valley driving... scares the hell out of me too, but that is the way they drive there, get used to it. You are not going to do anything to change them. Blend in or move out of there.
ehh.. it dont scare me the way they drive, hell, driving in LA is way worse than it is here, i'm just older now and try to take into consideration other people.. not just myself....

But, honestly, you do seem a bit afraid of your shadow. Kidding again... See, almost got you to toss out another fuck you, didn't I?
yeah.. i admit.. you got me there... i was sayin it here at work and had to stop myself at the end...What is the closest you very called for fire? Distance and size of the gun...?  
I was fortunate to have an MOS that was the ULTIMATE of supporting arms... i've called 5"54cal NGF.. closest I"VE called it was about 5k away.. had the ship call "NEGLECT, NEGLECT, NEGLECT" to us once, that round came about 350 meters from us out on San Clamente island... I've called 155 towed.. closest it's got to me was about 1k, called mortars  and they dropped about 5k away from us.. but the most cool part was directing air... i've got give a 9 line to  f-18's, f-14s, ea-6's out at chocolate mountain missle range.. had an f-18 strafe us out there, that sucked.. i thought for sure i was gonna shit myself (i'll never admit to it anyway), also had drug runners fire us up with air overhead..   as far as air goes... i got to have delivered 1-2000lbs bomb.. mostly just mk-86's though and we kept them at a good 5k at least.. got to see some pretty cool fly-by's though....

Y-

to
3/8/2005 8:37:22 PM EDT
[#47]
I know the 105mm is just a pea shooter when it comes to NGF and 8" arty... but a dipshit major who was the BN FSO... was registering a target at Ft. Bragg, and he made a gross adjustment... put the round behind us... about 40 meters away from us... in a ravine.

I was an E5... and I came fucking unglued...

I kept my rank though...

We got a new FSO after that...

and I had a stern talking to on how to address field grades.

Y-
3/8/2005 8:39:04 PM EDT
[#48]

Quoted:
It seems to me you have forgotten a very valuable suggestion which was probably made to all of us at one point or another while engaged in activities in a new AO.  Watch, Listen, Learn, and STFU. You're a rank Noob. Comport yourself as such, until you get the lay of the land.
Here Endeth the Lesson.
D.
AZEX



this all started because Sinistralrifleman misunderstood what i said in another topic.... the fucker can't admit he fucked up, fine.. dont fuck with me over it, and all his friends come to his aid, thats fine too, but i'll be damned if i stand by and be personally attacked for some guy being an asshole...

this is what i said .. just voicing my opinion (this IS still America isn't it?)
I'm not so much in favor of a lifetime CCW, just like the military, if you don't qualify you dont use a weapon. I'd like that a qualification at least be taken every few years, because shooting is a learned skill that if you dont use, you lose. I'd also like to have the NCIS waived too. anyone that has had issues with ID theft will agree with me that having the waiver is a great thing. If they do go through with the lifetime issuance, why not have it so a person can have an added sticker or stamp to their CCW so they can be waived on the NCIS checks by going through a refresher course every 4th or 5th year? now THAT i would be in favor of.

from that, he states that i want to REQUIRE everyone to qualify and go through more training and picks out sentences and interjects "what if's".. damn man.. if  if's and nuts were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry flippin christmas....   i just dont dig being called a coward, or ignorant when it's what i said that was taken WAY out of context...... and people dont READ everything THEN make up their mind... they only extrapolate what they want to read and leave the rest by the wayside....fuck it.. i'm off work in a few minutes.. time to go home and have a beer....
3/8/2005 9:35:31 PM EDT
[#49]

time to go home and have a beer....


I certainly hope you will not drive after having this 'beer'...

3/8/2005 9:46:18 PM EDT
[#50]
My suggestion stood exclusive of any or all of the tiff and conflict points you've made with any of the Cav crew or anyone else.

Old advice is best advice.

PS. I've seen SR shoot and I'd put him up against you, or MOST mil-trained trigger pullers any day.

He IS the essence of "well-regulated"

D.
AZEX


Quoted:

Quoted:
It seems to me you have forgotten a very valuable suggestion which was probably made to all of us at one point or another while engaged in activities in a new AO.  Watch, Listen, Learn, and STFU. You're a rank Noob. Comport yourself as such, until you get the lay of the land.
Here Endeth the Lesson.
D.
AZEX



this all started because Sinistralrifleman misunderstood what i said in another topic.... the fucker can't admit he fucked up, fine.. dont fuck with me over it, and all his friends come to his aid, thats fine too, but i'll be damned if i stand by and be personally attacked for some guy being an asshole...

this is what i said .. just voicing my opinion (this IS still America isn't it?)
I'm not so much in favor of a lifetime CCW, just like the military, if you don't qualify you dont use a weapon. I'd like that a qualification at least be taken every few years, because shooting is a learned skill that if you dont use, you lose. I'd also like to have the NCIS waived too. anyone that has had issues with ID theft will agree with me that having the waiver is a great thing. If they do go through with the lifetime issuance, why not have it so a person can have an added sticker or stamp to their CCW so they can be waived on the NCIS checks by going through a refresher course every 4th or 5th year? now THAT i would be in favor of.

from that, he states that i want to REQUIRE everyone to qualify and go through more training and picks out sentences and interjects "what if's".. damn man.. if  if's and nuts were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry flippin christmas....   i just dont dig being called a coward, or ignorant when it's what i said that was taken WAY out of context...... and people dont READ everything THEN make up their mind... they only extrapolate what they want to read and leave the rest by the wayside....fuck it.. i'm off work in a few minutes.. time to go home and have a beer....



Well, then I'd guess I'd have to say a quiet prayer that you are not in charge of deciding how our Rights are to be dispersed amongst us lesser-beings.

D.
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