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AR15.COM
2/3/2005 8:16:34 PM EDT
www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0203fingerprint03-ON.html

FOAD Joey...
2/3/2005 8:34:26 PM EDT
[#1]

  I have a CCW permit. So they already have my fingerprints. No big deal!. Plus I don't plan on getting a ticket.
2/3/2005 8:42:09 PM EDT
[#2]
you dont have to get your fingerprint taken its voluntary
2/3/2005 8:48:29 PM EDT
[#3]


Declaring war on identity theft, Sheriff Joe Arpaio on Thursday said his deputies will be asking motorists stopped for traffic violations in the southwest Valley to voluntarily submit their thumbprints.

The goal is to catch people who take the wheel with stolen or falsified driver's licenses.

By Thursday afternoon, deputies from the Avondale substation, using inkless pads, had issued 20 tickets and collected 20 thumbprints, the sheriff said. At a later date, such thumbprints will be randomly checked against a database to determine whether a false identity was being used.


Holy shit this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. It sounds like something they'd do in Illinois!


So let me get this straight -

they ask for VOLUNTARY fingerprint... hoping to "catch" a person with a stolen license... but only "randomly" check collected fingerprints against a database "at a later date".... like weeks after the person with the stolen license was printed?

What a bunch of dumbfucking idiocy.

It's just part of a frickin "Commission On Pre-Crime" scheme to collect fingerprints on ALL people regardless of their guilt or innocence in anything.

2/3/2005 8:49:46 PM EDT
[#4]


  It's also voluntary, to be a dumb ass and get a ticket.
2/3/2005 9:21:02 PM EDT
[#5]
Joe isn't being original...there is a similar program like this in Green Bay, I think, that started a couple weeks ago.

Sheriff Joe is so last week.
2/3/2005 10:37:29 PM EDT
[#6]
Joe, just STFU and stick to what you do best....humiliating prisoners, posing for pictures, and having your deputies shoot dogs and raid houses in that I-got-a-10-inch-cock armored vehicle.

Oh, and keep signing Form 4s in a timely fashion and STFU about how you're such a great guy because you EVEN DO signoffs, even though you don't HAVE TO.
2/4/2005 12:13:59 AM EDT
[#7]
I'm no fan of Fed-Joe, but this is a GREAT idea.

The T-words, give the cops a different name all the damn time, and you cant track them down.

NOW, when they give a few diff names, and it comes back, they'll get charged with identity theft and put in JAIL! Where dirty T-words belong!

HOOAH!

D.
AZEX
2/4/2005 1:19:45 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
I'm no fan of Fed-Joe, but this is a GREAT idea.

The T-words, give the cops a different name all the damn time, and you cant track them down.

NOW, when they give a few diff names, and it comes back, they'll get charged with identity theft and put in JAIL! Where dirty T-words belong!

HOOAH!

D.
AZEX


joe joe the media hoe!

I have to give a good +1
Especialy if they have forged resident or "green" cards.
Thos have a print on the back!
No match = identity theft.

If the illegals pitch a fit though the world court may just shake their finger at AZ.
2/4/2005 5:56:23 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'm no fan of Fed-Joe, but this is a GREAT idea.

The T-words, give the cops a different name all the damn time, and you cant track them down.

NOW, when they give a few diff names, and it comes back, they'll get charged with identity theft and put in JAIL! Where dirty T-words belong!

HOOAH!

D.
AZEX


joe joe the media hoe!

I have to give a good +1
Especialy if they have forged resident or "green" cards.
Thos have a print on the back!
No match = identity theft.

If the illegals pitch a fit though the world court may just shake their finger at AZ.



You guys are missing something. It's voluntary. What moron is going to voluntarily submit a thumb print if he knows he's using a stolen identity?

In addition, I would be very surprised if ANY conviction resulted in this dumbass activity. I don't think there's a lawyer in the country that couldn't get it thrown out as unlawful search and seizure.
2/4/2005 6:26:33 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'm no fan of Fed-Joe, but this is a GREAT idea.

The T-words, give the cops a different name all the damn time, and you cant track them down.

NOW, when they give a few diff names, and it comes back, they'll get charged with identity theft and put in JAIL! Where dirty T-words belong!

HOOAH!

D.
AZEX


joe joe the media hoe!

I have to give a good +1
Especialy if they have forged resident or "green" cards.
Thos have a print on the back!
No match = identity theft.

You guys are missing something. It's voluntary. What moron is going to voluntarily submit a thumb print if he knows he's using a stolen identity?

They're also missing something else - the prints are not checked until a "later date" - like days or weeks after the Turd was allowed to drive away with a ticket he'll never pay or show up in court for.

How can you "catch" someone if you don't run the prints until weeks after you pull the guy over?!??
2/4/2005 10:41:36 AM EDT
[#11]
If you ever get a ticket by a phoenix officer you'll notice down at the bottom is a box for one thumb print, I believe its the right thumb.  I know people who carry the little ink pad around but I personally don't do it because its just one more thing to have to do.  I do agree though that with the mexicans sharing so many idendtities its a good Idea.

for example a month or two ago I arrested a mexican for shoplifting out of the PV mall.  using the name and DOB he gave me I ran him through our computer to get an SCN number and FBI number. I then ran those numbers through the computer that can access mug shots and for that name and FBI number 5 different people showed up.
2/4/2005 11:31:03 AM EDT
[#12]
I guess you will have to carry around your Inspector Gadget finger print recognition kit, along with your ticket book.

This serves no purpose, other than to collect information on people. I will never voluntarily submit to finger printing, DNA testing or any other unique identification proceedure. They possibly could have my information already, but I'm not going to make sure they have it. The FBI already has millions of finger prints & DNA records in a digitized database that they cross reference crime scene evidence against. Sorry, I am not going to be part of that if I can help it. I sound paranoid, but really, am I?

www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/iafis.htm
www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/codis/fbidna.pdf
2/4/2005 12:14:53 PM EDT
[#13]
They could always use refusal as probable cause to perform search or to detain.
2/4/2005 12:44:40 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
They could always use refusal as probable cause to perform search or to detain.



No they can't. Refusal does not create probale cause.
Its the same as when they ask to search, refusal does not create cause.
2/4/2005 12:50:55 PM EDT
[#15]
Uh.... my agency has been doing this for over four years now.


It's designed to prevent the "my brother used my ID when he got ticketed" excuse/defense. And it works.
2/4/2005 1:50:22 PM EDT
[#16]


You guys are missing something. It's voluntary.


Voluntary!?  Like vehicle searches?  "Let me understand Mr Citizen you don't want to let me take your fingerprint...WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO HIDE??"  "Let me see your DL again and wait right here"
2/4/2005 2:02:37 PM EDT
[#17]




It's designed to prevent the "my brother used my ID when he got ticketed" excuse/defense. And it works.


I bet it does work...should we intrude and/or erode more of the general publics freedom(s) and right(s) to privacy because of the actions of a few traffic offenders?  Allowing/condoning this intrusion only makes it easier for the next step...

The logistics far outway the value...looks like Sheriff Joe satisfied his latest publicity craving