Posted: 12/12/2015 10:11:25 AM EDT
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He looks vaguely familiar, I've probably seen him at central Ohio gun shows, but I never bought anything from him. http://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/long-time-gun-dealer-sentence-in-federal-court-case |
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He looks vaguely familiar, I've probably seen him at central Ohio gun shows, but I never bought anything from him. http://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/long-time-gun-dealer-sentence-in-federal-court-case What law did he break, tax evasion? He sold a lot of guns in a couple years. Bloomberg tried to get him in a sting but he refused the sale. They found 123 guns a his residence with at least 22 rounds of ammunition. He took a plea bargain for 6 months in jail. |
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I don't believe the numbers quoted by the media zombies are accurate, they seem to be conflating sales and profits and inventory valuations.
In any event, the report said he admitted to the charges in exchange for a reduced sentence of 6 months. The report didn't say anything about tax evasion, it was all about being an unlicensed dealer. Federal law says you need a license to be engaged in the business of buying and selling firearms. ATF regulations define what being engaged in the business means. Buying and selling 1000 guns over 10 years at gun shows is a hobby? Yeah right. Tell that to a judge and jury and let us know how it works out for you. None of this is to say I agree that current federal should be the way it is; I'm saying sticking your head in the sand pretending reality is different than it really is is foolish and will get you a stay at Club Fed. Even so, today is not like the dark days during the Carter years, not even close. As far as I'm concerned he violated the law. Someone selling a few gun even for profit once in a blue moon because they got tired of them and wanted the newest toy is not in violation. Yes there is room for interpretation since the law does not define a threshold number. I don't want there to be a threshold number because the number will get smaller and smaller. |
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Would this law apply to eBay sellers that have 5000-10,000 transactions? Many of them purchase items with the intention of reselling. I've never heard of this before. Is it specific to firearms? Seriously? Yes, he violated a firearms specific federal law. This case had nothing to do with eBay. Profits from buying and selling on eBay could be subject to state and federal income tax. Do it enough and you'll get the attention of the feds. The only one that makes significant money off of eBay is eBay. |
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This whole thing is fucky. Have they been investigating him for ten years selling all these guns? Was he dumb enough to keep ledgers for ten years? Or was he dumb enough to settle for a reduced/deferred sentence? Even if... 900 guns over ten years. 90 guns a year. Roughly 2 a weekend give or take (assuming there's not gunshows every single weekend)... That hardly seems like a big deal. How many of these guns ended up being used in crimes? How bout that one time (that we know of) he denied a sale to a guy who indicated he had a record? Did they bust him doing something fucked up, or basically just had enough of this guy operating without an FFL? And how the hell did he clear almost a half a million in three years? What the fuck kinda guns this guy selling? Where can I find some? |
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This whole thing is fucky. Have they been investigating him for ten years selling all these guns? Was he dumb enough to keep ledgers for ten years? Or was he dumb enough to settle for a reduced/deferred sentence? My guess (and that's all it is) is an FFL got tired of losing sales to him at gun shows and called the feds on him. No where was it claimed he was under investigation for 10 years. If he kept records and they were found then those could be used against him. Why do you say it was dumb for him to take a reduced sentence? He didn't think he could win at trial so he took the 6-month deal. I don't like plea deals in principle but that's another matter. The sentence was only deferred long enough for him to go to his daughters high school graduation in June. The federal court records are available via PACER if someone has access to that. I think it can be searched for free but getting copies will cost money. |
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Quoted: My guess (and that's all it is) is an FFL got tired of losing sales to him at gun shows and called the feds on him. No where was it claimed he was under investigation for 10 years. If he kept records and they were found then those could be used against him. Why do you say it was dumb for him to take a reduced sentence? He didn't think he could win at trial so he took the 6-month deal. I don't like plea deals in principle but that's another matter. The sentence was only deferred long enough for him to go to his daughters high school graduation in June. The federal court records are available via PACER if someone has access to that. I think it can be searched for free but getting copies will cost money. Quoted: Quoted: This whole thing is fucky. Have they been investigating him for ten years selling all these guns? Was he dumb enough to keep ledgers for ten years? Or was he dumb enough to settle for a reduced/deferred sentence? My guess (and that's all it is) is an FFL got tired of losing sales to him at gun shows and called the feds on him. No where was it claimed he was under investigation for 10 years. If he kept records and they were found then those could be used against him. Why do you say it was dumb for him to take a reduced sentence? He didn't think he could win at trial so he took the 6-month deal. I don't like plea deals in principle but that's another matter. The sentence was only deferred long enough for him to go to his daughters high school graduation in June. The federal court records are available via PACER if someone has access to that. I think it can be searched for free but getting copies will cost money. I'm asking how they came up with ten years and 900 guns. How they came up with $440k in 3 years. Is there proof, or did they come up with some bullshit figures and he agreed for the deal? I don't like plea deals either, and I can understand that he did what he felt was best for his family, etc. But still. I feel like he got fucked over for some bullshit crusade. If he had sold a gun to someone who indicated they had a record, fine, pop him for it, but he passed that test. His crime is operating as a business without a licence. My point is, if you've ever been to a gun show, you know this type of thing is extremely common. All the figures seem like wild guesses at best. Then, there's obviously the gun grabber agenda to "close the loophole." Also, if someone dimed him out of sales envy, may fuck be upon them. MYOB. There's no money in guns. If you're bummed about your shitty margins, pick a new livelihood. |
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Being a de facto dealer without a FFL will get you in trouble. That's how this looks to me. Quoted:
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Wow. Sounds like a bunch of crap. All it sounds like he did was what people on this website do everyday with face to face transactions just on a larger scale. Being a de facto dealer without a FFL will get you in trouble. That's how this looks to me. This..... |
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Wow. Sounds like a bunch of crap. All it sounds like he did was what people on this website do everyday with face to face transactions just on a larger scale. Being a de facto dealer without a FFL will get you in trouble. That's how this looks to me. This..... We see them at every show. It wouldn't take more than a few conversations to know that they are engaging in business. |
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Wow. Sounds like a bunch of crap. All it sounds like he did was what people on this website do everyday with face to face transactions just on a larger scale. Being a de facto dealer without a FFL will get you in trouble. That's how this looks to me. This..... We see them at every show. It wouldn't take more than a few conversations to know that they are engaging in business. The one guy has to know he's being watched after that ND, get he's still there from time to time. |
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Wow that sucks he is getting railed in the butt for on this one.
But FWIW if you attend gun shows every weekend and setup a booth at some point you would think hmm maybe i should turn this into a part time business. Doing business without paying taxes only works when you keep it small scale and fly under the radar. |
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Would this law apply to eBay sellers that have 5000-10,000 transactions? Many of them purchase items with the intention of reselling. I've never heard of this before. Is it specific to firearms? At $20k in sales and at least 200 transactions per year, Ebay issues you a 1099 for tax purposes. |
