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11/6/2009 9:59:06 PM EDT
No I am not trying to shit on CA or anything .
I have an idea for a modified bullet button , but I have no clue how they work so I am looking into it .
11/7/2009 3:57:41 AM EDT
[#1]
The principle is to have a shroud over the button that prevents the button from being actuated by any part of the human body. The shroud has a small opening that allows a tool (e.g. bullet nose) to actuate the button.
11/7/2009 4:59:33 AM EDT
[#2]
It follows the poorly written infringement perfectly.
11/7/2009 11:37:06 AM EDT
[#3]
So it is basically a covered mag release with a tiny hole in the top?
Does any one have good pictures of one in use?
Is the rest of the mag release standard?
11/7/2009 12:26:22 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
So it is basically a covered mag release with a tiny hole in the top?
Does any one have good pictures of one in use?
Is the rest of the mag release standard?

http://www.riflegear.com/c-78-ar-15-rifle-parts.aspx

11/7/2009 12:53:07 PM EDT
[#5]
Great site thank you .
11/7/2009 4:27:34 PM EDT
[#6]
The mag release screw becomes the magazine release.  

Where you would screw on the magazine release button, you actually screw on a small round nut.  The button is fake and has a small hole in the top.  The fake button is held in place by the sides of the lower, the magazine release lever screw and nut ride inside the fake button.  so when you push something in the whole (in the fake button) you push on the magazine release lever screw.

If you need a MS paint diagram I can draw one for you.  that way you don't have to spend $30 to see how one works.
11/7/2009 5:24:24 PM EDT
[#7]
A picture would be even better .

So do you keep a tool on the rifle or something ?
11/7/2009 5:39:50 PM EDT
[#8]
Not on the rifle per say. A bullet (.556) works just fine. For fast mag changes some guys use a finger stylus(normally for use with a touch screen pda), but a neutered AR with 10rd mags isn't much good in a fire fight.
11/8/2009 12:21:40 AM EDT
[#9]
Most "firefights" are inside 7 yards and require three bullets (or whatever those statistics on shootings are).

The key is to be armed.  In many instances, a ten round carbine is probably better than a ten round pistol.  It's not that you can't reload it, it is just a tad bit slower.  Keep some ten round magazines handy, too.  The bottom of the magazine would be a cool place to have the "tool"; built-into the Magpul baseplate.  All Magpul would have to do is just add a hole in the mold to create the stud.  Grab the mag, bump the old mag out and slap in that new one.
11/8/2009 12:24:44 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Most "firefights" are inside 7 yards and require three bullets (or whatever those statistics on shootings are).

The key is to be armed.  In many instances, a ten round carbine is probably better than a ten round pistol.  It's not that you can't reload it, it is just a tad bit slower.  Keep some ten round magazines handy, too.  The bottom of the magazine would be a cool place to have the "tool"; built-into the Magpul baseplate.  All Magpul would have to do is just add a hole in the mold to create the stud.  Grab the mag, bump the old mag out and slap in that new one.

That is a damn good idea.

11/8/2009 7:13:31 PM EDT
[#11]
kind of hard to see, (and draw, thought I could do better).

The brown is the magazine release arm, the black curly thing is the spring, the black thing is the nut, and the red thing is the fake button with a hole in the top.  the button is slown split open so you can see the inside.

the lower picture is as it would be on the lower receiver showing the magazine release arm and red fake button.

pushing the round into the hole, pushes on the nut, which pushes the magazine release arm, and drops the magazine out of the receiver.  the spring and nut hold the fake button in place as well as the magazine release arm as it would normally do if a button was screwed on to it.

the pic is sorta wrong because the nut is screwed in from the front hole.  so the front hole should be shown with a  larger diameter.  on the lower pic the fake button is too short, the spring should be on the inside.

11/8/2009 9:02:06 PM EDT
[#12]
http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/Sacramento-PD-OLL_Training_Bulletin-2008-11-18.pdf The first picture is a close up of a bullet button. It's self explanatory, especially with all the posts from this thread.
11/9/2009 4:48:01 PM EDT
[#13]



Quoted:


Most "firefights" are inside 7 yards and require three bullets (or whatever those statistics on shootings are).



The key is to be armed.  In many instances, a ten round carbine is probably better than a ten round pistol.  It's not that you can't reload it, it is just a tad bit slower.  Keep some ten round magazines handy, too.  The bottom of the magazine would be a cool place to have the "tool"; built-into the Magpul baseplate.  All Magpul would have to do is just add a hole in the mold to create the stud.  Grab the mag, bump the old mag out and slap in that new one.


Thats a sweet idea. I would have to retrain my mag changing sequence by a lot with that system I think. How would you do it?

 
11/9/2009 6:19:00 PM EDT
[#14]
When I installed my Bullet Buttons, I kept the original mag release parts. If a war ever breaks out in my neighborhood, I could probably replace the parts in about 5 minutes.
11/10/2009 5:20:55 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
Most "firefights" are inside 7 yards and require three bullets (or whatever those statistics on shootings are).

The key is to be armed.  In many instances, a ten round carbine is probably better than a ten round pistol.  It's not that you can't reload it, it is just a tad bit slower.  Keep some ten round magazines handy, too.  The bottom of the magazine would be a cool place to have the "tool"; built-into the Magpul baseplate.  All Magpul would have to do is just add a hole in the mold to create the stud.  Grab the mag, bump the old mag out and slap in that new one.


As I understand it, that would be illegal. The text of the law says that the tool cannot be attached to the rifle, right? As soon as you slap in the new mag that you just used to drop the old mag, you've attached the tool to the rifle... Somebody correct me if I'm wrong please.
11/11/2009 10:55:17 AM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Most "firefights" are inside 7 yards and require three bullets (or whatever those statistics on shootings are).

The key is to be armed.  In many instances, a ten round carbine is probably better than a ten round pistol.  It's not that you can't reload it, it is just a tad bit slower.  Keep some ten round magazines handy, too.  The bottom of the magazine would be a cool place to have the "tool"; built-into the Magpul baseplate.  All Magpul would have to do is just add a hole in the mold to create the stud.  Grab the mag, bump the old mag out and slap in that new one.


As I understand it, that would be illegal. The text of the law says that the tool cannot be attached to the rifle, right? As soon as you slap in the new mag that you just used to drop the old mag, you've attached the tool to the rifle... Somebody correct me if I'm wrong please.


It cannot be usable while attached to the rifle.

A magazine with a stud protruding from it would be legal to attach to the rifle, so long as the magazine cannot be used to remove the magazine while it is inserted in the rifle.
11/11/2009 6:25:53 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
When I installed my Bullet Buttons, I kept the original mag release parts. If a war ever breaks out in my neighborhood, I could probably replace the parts in about 5 minutes.


That would be illegal