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3/13/2004 5:01:25 PM EDT
12276. As used in this chapter, "assault weapon" shall mean the following designated semiautomatic firearms:
(a) All of the following specified rifles:
(1) All AK series including, but not limited to, the models identified as follows:
(A) Made in China AK, AKM, AKS, AK47, AK47S, 56, 56S, 84S, and 86S.
(B) Norinco 56, 56S, 84S, and 86S.
(C) Poly Technologies AKS and AK47.
(D) MAADI AK47 and ARM.
(2) UZI and Galil.
(3) Beretta AR-70.
(4) CETME Sporter.
(5) Colt AR-15 series.
(6) Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR110 C.
(7) Fabrique Nationale FAL, LAR, FNC, 308 Match, and Sporter.
(8) MAS 223.
(9) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, and HK-PSG-1
(10) The following MAC types:
(A) RPB Industries Inc. sM10 and sM11.
(B) SWD Incorporated M11.
(11) SKS with detachable magazine.
(12) SIG AMT, PE-57, SG 550, and SG 551.
(13) Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48.
(14) Sterling MK-6.
(15) Steyer AUG.
(16) Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78S.
(17) Armalite AR-180.
(18) Bushmaster Assault Rifle.
(19) Calico M-900.
(20) J&R ENG M-68.
(21) Weaver Arms Nighthawk.
(b) All of the following specified pistols:
(1) UZI.
(2) Encom MP-9 and MP-45.
(3) The following MAC types:
(A) RPB Industries Inc. sM10 and sM11.
(B) SWD Incorporated M-11.
(C) Advance Armament Inc. M-11.
(D) Military Armament Corp. Ingram M-11.
(4) Intratec TEC-9.
(5) Sites Spectre.
(6) Sterling MK-7.
(7) Calico M-950.
(8) Bushmaster Pistol.
(c) All of the following specified shotguns:
(1) Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12.
(2) Striker 12.
(3) The Streetsweeper type S/S Inc. SS/12.

I swear I looked a few weeks ago and it still said AR series..

Hmmm

caag.state.ca.us/firearms/dwcl/12275.htm
3/13/2004 8:21:49 PM EDT
[#1]
12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
3/13/2004 8:23:34 PM EDT
[#2]
I guess if companies start selling a "California" model like Robo Arms did with M96...we could be in the clear as long as it was not a Colt or Busmaster and did not have a pistol grip.
3/13/2004 9:31:11 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
I guess if companies start selling a "California" model like Robo Arms did with M96...we could be in the clear as long as it was not a Colt or Busmaster and did not have a pistol grip.



Ya ya thats what I'm thinking
3/14/2004 5:50:13 AM EDT
[#4]
It is legal, similar to the Fab10.  DOJ is illegally preventing the import of non-listed lowers.  Anyone have tons of money to fight the DOJ over this, or how about a lawyer friend?
3/14/2004 9:12:29 AM EDT
[#5]
Lets rally the NRA to step in "help" us Californians
3/14/2004 12:29:25 PM EDT
[#6]
Look at #5 "Colt AR-15 series", I'ld be hard pressed to argue any of the AR-15 clones of any kind by any maker aren't covered there.
3/14/2004 5:44:12 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
Look at #5 "Colt AR-15 series", I'ld be hard pressed to argue any of the AR-15 clones of any kind by any maker aren't covered there.



Uh well it also says:
(7) Fabrique Nationale FAL, LAR, FNC, 308 Match, and Sporter.

Yet FALs are still sold..
It has to be named.
3/14/2004 7:57:42 PM EDT
[#8]
Also, the "ability to accept" term only applies to the detachable mag. removing the pistol grip off an non-named AR should be kosher.


However, don't quote me on this one. You know how DOJ is when it comes to guns.


Drugs on the other hand....
3/14/2004 8:42:14 PM EDT
[#9]
Yeah all you got to do is figure out how to hold and fire it.  

Figure out how to extend the lower to the rear and raise the trigger up to wear you could use a "standard" stock design.  You'ld need to use a link to the trigger.  Might be easier to design a totally new lower around the uppers.  Balance might be sucky though.
3/15/2004 12:38:00 AM EDT
[#10]
ZM weapons horizontal grip

www.zmweapons.com/accessories.htm

Bottom of the page..

Legal cause:
11 CCR 978.20 (d) defines a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon to mean, "...a grip that allows for a pistol style grasp in which the web of the trigger hand (between the thumb and index finger) can be placed below the top of the exposed portion of the trigger while firing."

A "pistol style graps" allows the fingers to wrap firmly around the grup. The aleternative Barrett 82A1 "thumb hold" exemplar cannot be considered an assault weapon pistol grip because the device allows only for the thumb and not all fingers, to grasp the device.

3/15/2004 1:49:53 AM EDT
[#11]
with one of those things mounted with a traditional A2 stock, would the .gov consider it a thumbhole stock?
3/15/2004 7:17:44 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
ZM weapons horizontal grip
skammy.gotlag.com/images/Horzgrip.jpg
www.zmweapons.com/accessories.htm

Bottom of the page..

Legal cause:
11 CCR 978.20 (d) defines a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon to mean, "...a grip that allows for a pistol style grasp in which the web of the trigger hand (between the thumb and index finger) can be placed below the top of the exposed portion of the trigger while firing."

A "pistol style graps" allows the fingers to wrap firmly around the grup. The aleternative Barrett 82A1 "thumb hold" exemplar cannot be considered an assault weapon pistol grip because the device allows only for the thumb and not all fingers, to grasp the device.




I remember seeing in a firing range photos of their interpretation.  Drawing a horizontal line from where the trigger extends from the receiver, the grip can't extend past it.  This grip was not acceptable.


Wasn't there some Federal law that protected blacks from "unwritten laws" in the South?  This could be applied to our situation.
3/15/2004 5:41:50 PM EDT
[#13]
Your refering to this:


It does let the web in between your thumb and index go below the trigger but, As I posted :

The words from the DOJ:

"The alternative Barrett 82A1 "thumb hold" exemplar cannot be considered an assault weapon pistol grip because the device allows only for the thumb and not all fingers, to grasp the device."

Since only your thumb grips it, it doesn't count.

Its legal, even the DOJ says so.
3/15/2004 6:04:44 PM EDT
[#14]
Skammy,
whoa!You can buy a Legal Barrett 82A1 in this state?Do you have more info about this and does Barrett have a pic of it???
3/15/2004 6:26:39 PM EDT
[#15]
From the sound of it it just sounds like a Barrett M82A1 with the above grip.
3/16/2004 7:16:50 AM EDT
[#16]
Here's a similar design that was not approved.



"The alternative Barrett 82A1 "thumb hold" exemplar cannot be considered an assault weapon pistol grip because the device allows only for the thumb and not all fingers, to grasp the device."

Let's see a similar writeup for an AR.
3/16/2004 7:04:04 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
Here's a similar design that was not approved.

www.fabten.com/ATF_grip_rgb.jpg

"The alternative Barrett 82A1 "thumb hold" exemplar cannot be considered an assault weapon pistol grip because the device allows only for the thumb and not all fingers, to grasp the device."

Let's see a similar writeup for an AR.




Could be cause it lets your fingers grasp it..