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1/31/2010 2:40:17 PM EDT
I'm contemplating a new rifle, maybe a pistol. I was toying with the idea of a piston AR/SIG556 for shits and giggles. Just looking to the hive to help me "broaden" my idea base. As I'm drawing blanks on something new to pique my firerarm instrests.
1/31/2010 2:45:03 PM EDT
[#1]
Hard to say when I don't know what you already have, but I have heard plenty of disatisfaction with the Sig 556.
1/31/2010 2:53:40 PM EDT
[#2]
What's your budget and current inventory?
1/31/2010 3:01:39 PM EDT
[#3]
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What's your budget and current inventory?


I have a Rem 700 sps in .308 with nikon optic, two ars, ak74, g3 clone,10/22, rem700tact,mini14, some od fire wood(K98, m95,)92FS, dan wesson 357(interchangable barels), two 1911's and a 38.....


eta: budget is around 1-1.5k.....but willing to vary a bit.
1/31/2010 4:27:32 PM EDT
[#4]
Get a M1a
1/31/2010 4:52:30 PM EDT
[#5]
Keep saving and get a SCAR
1/31/2010 5:01:11 PM EDT
[#6]
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Keep saving and get a SCAR
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4623/scar003.jpg


I was going to suggest this ^ or a SBR piston possibly..

ETA: I was pretty topped out on the DI AR configurations since I had just about everything so, for shits and giggles, I bought (2) LWRC sbr's and a LMT MRP 12" piston and have been pretty pleased with them so far..
1/31/2010 5:38:05 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
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Keep saving and get a SCAR
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4623/scar003.jpg


I was going to suggest this ^ or a SBR piston possibly..

ETA: I was pretty topped out on the DI AR configurations since I had just about everything so, for shits and giggles, I bought (2) LWRC sbr's and a LMT MRP 12" piston and have been pretty pleased with them so far..


what's the difference in recoil on the DI & piston? That's what was the only thing attracting me to a piston AR, was feeling the recoil difference. My AK74 has aboslutely no recoil at all.
1/31/2010 5:43:29 PM EDT
[#8]
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Keep saving and get a SCAR
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4623/scar003.jpg


I was going to suggest this ^ or a SBR piston possibly..

ETA: I was pretty topped out on the DI AR configurations since I had just about everything so, for shits and giggles, I bought (2) LWRC sbr's and a LMT MRP 12" piston and have been pretty pleased with them so far..


what's the difference in recoil on the DI & piston? That's what was the only thing attracting me to a piston AR, was feeling the recoil difference. My AK74 has aboslutely no recoil at all.


Felt recoil is about the same as a DI but it's more like a jolt than a pop..does that make sense? It's about the only way i can explain it..
1/31/2010 7:13:47 PM EDT
[#9]
I think I kinda get it. I'm just gonna have to go around and go shopping then and find something to fondle. Though I want  a SOCOM or Scout MA, I think feeding it is gonna kill me

1/31/2010 7:29:48 PM EDT
[#10]
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I think I kinda get it. I'm just gonna have to go around and go shopping then and find something to fondle. Though I want  a SOCOM or Scout MA, I think feeding it is gonna kill me



Quite the list, since the price of feeding is an issue, maybe AK-47?
I know, new caliber, but that doesn't seem to be an issue for you, and it'll round out some places for the collection.
Not as pricey to feed like .308, have plenty of ammo money after the purchase.

ETA: Maybe a bullpup since you don't have one?

(3)Rem 700 and G3 clone - .308

(1)AK74 - 5.45

(3) AR-15 & Mini-14 - 5.56

(2) WW2 Surplus Bolts

(1) 10/22 - .22lr

(1) Dan Wesson - .357

(1) Beretta 92FS - 9mm

(2) 1911's

(1) .38 Revolver

(?)
1/31/2010 8:31:51 PM EDT
[#11]
You need a Remington 870 and a Marlin or Henry levergun.
2/1/2010 1:40:17 AM EDT
[#12]
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You need a Remington 870 and a Marlin or Henry levergun.


I noticed a type the 700 tac was supposed to be an 870.....but I do think your on to something, a lever gun is missing in my collection! Off to the  Winchester site!
2/1/2010 7:28:27 AM EDT
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You need a Remington 870 and a Marlin or Henry levergun.

I noticed a type the 700 tac was supposed to be an 870.....but I do think your on to something, a lever gun is missing in my collection! Off to the  Winchester site!




I say go with Marlin. I like the ergonomics and they feel a lot better built to me. I also love the side ejection instead of the top ejection that the Mossberg and Winchester leverguns have. This way the hot cases don't hit you in the head



http://marlinfirearms.com/
I have a 336W (got the model without the scope. I put a Swift 4x scope on it and I'm thinking about upgrading to a Nikon 3-9x). I'm shooting about quarter to half dollar groups at 100 yards with 150 grain Federal Power Lok .30-30WIN. I want to try out some of that Leverevolution ammo from Hornady and see if my groups can improve with that stuff or some other ammo.





ETA: Plus, Winchester discontinued a lot of their levergun models. They have started making guns again, but didn't bring back the 94 (haven't seen it back yet - this might have changed.)
 
2/1/2010 12:20:18 PM EDT
[#14]
For a lever gun, I'm going with a .357/38/44mag. I always though the pistol caliber lever guns were fun, and definably cheaper to shoot cans with.
2/1/2010 3:56:12 PM EDT
[#15]
What about a 45-70
2/1/2010 5:49:59 PM EDT
[#16]





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What about a 45-70




FTW!!





OP - Check out Henry Big Boy rifle. I want to get one some day chambered for .45 Long Colt (they come in different calibers).



http://www.henryrepeating.com/h006_bigboy.cfm



http://www.henryrepeating.com/rifles.cfm





 
2/1/2010 5:58:00 PM EDT
[#17]
What about a M2HB????
2/1/2010 9:06:11 PM EDT
[#18]
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What about a M2HB????


This!!!

I'm seeing myself not thinking outside the box.
2/2/2010 2:29:14 AM EDT
[#19]
Joey,
I bought a 556 pistol, SBRed it, and though a pretty cool little (heavy) package, if I had to do it over again I'd have just SBRed an AR. The 556 does not equal a Swiss 55x series weapon and to me, SIG's QC at this point barely justifies my business.
Now what I bought that I absolutely love is my MSAR E4 (takes AR mags).
It's a fantastic shooter, piston operated, SBR length with zero paperwork and it's just a very well made gun. I wasn't sure what to expect, but suffice it to say I'd by another in a second. The Trijicon TA33H-G was made for this gun. The E4 is a quality weapon from tip to tip.....and IMO, very reasonably priced.






 
2/2/2010 12:54:39 PM EDT
[#20]
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Joey,

I bought a 556 pistol, SBRed it, and though a pretty cool little (heavy) package, if I had to do it over again I'd have just SBRed an AR. The 556 does not equal a Swiss 55x series weapon and to me, SIG's QC at this point barely justifies my business.

Now what I bought that I absolutely love is my MSAR E4 (takes AR mags).

It's a fantastic shooter, piston operated, SBR length with zero paperwork and it's just a very well made gun. I wasn't sure what to expect, but suffice it to say I'd by another in a second. The Trijicon TA33H-G was made for this gun. The E4 is a quality weapon from tip to tip.....and IMO, very reasonably priced.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/5POINT56/MSAR_E4-1.jpg  


Your a bad man......I'm gonna do me some research on this puppy
2/2/2010 2:24:52 PM EDT
[#21]
Get a ACR !!  Its the Shitzzzz  















































2/2/2010 2:28:09 PM EDT
[#22]
Another vote for a MSAR E4.
2/2/2010 2:48:04 PM EDT
[#23]
Barrett.
2/2/2010 3:41:33 PM EDT
[#24]
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Joey,

I bought a 556 pistol, SBRed it, and though a pretty cool little (heavy) package, if I had to do it over again I'd have just SBRed an AR. The 556 does not equal a Swiss 55x series weapon and to me, SIG's QC at this point barely justifies my business.

Now what I bought that I absolutely love is my MSAR E4 (takes AR mags).

It's a fantastic shooter, piston operated, SBR length with zero paperwork and it's just a very well made gun. I wasn't sure what to expect, but suffice it to say I'd by another in a second. The Trijicon TA33H-G was made for this gun. The E4 is a quality weapon from tip to tip.....and IMO, very reasonably priced.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/5POINT56/MSAR_E4-1.jpg  


Your a bad man......I'm gonna do me some research on this puppy



I had one the trigger sucked and a parts kit at the time was $250.00.  Sold it less than 2 months after I got it.  I did however get just about what I paid for it and that was the best thing about it.  YMMV
2/2/2010 3:45:24 PM EDT
[#25]
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Get a ACR !!  Its the Shitzzzz  


I'll let you know how the ACR does, we ordered the first one coming into Shooters (and no, I did not have a choice on this one of where we ordered from or I would have gone to Neil).
2/2/2010 4:07:57 PM EDT
[#26]



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Joey,



I bought a 556 pistol, SBRed it, and though a pretty cool little (heavy) package, if I had to do it over again I'd have just SBRed an AR. The 556 does not equal a Swiss 55x series weapon and to me, SIG's QC at this point barely justifies my business.



Now what I bought that I absolutely love is my MSAR E4 (takes AR mags).



It's a fantastic shooter, piston operated, SBR length with zero paperwork and it's just a very well made gun. I wasn't sure what to expect, but suffice it to say I'd by another in a second. The Trijicon TA33H-G was made for this gun. The E4 is a quality weapon from tip to tip.....and IMO, very reasonably priced.



http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/5POINT56/MSAR_E4-1.jpg  




Your a bad man......I'm gonna do me some research on this puppy







I had one the trigger sucked and a parts kit at the time was $250.00.  Sold it less than 2 months after I got it.  I did however get just about what I paid for it and that was the best thing about it.  YMMV



You're in a vast minority with that opinion. The gun has been very well received, particularly the E4, which not only accepts AR mags, but also represents the original design benefiting from 3 generations of refinements. Additionally, the parts kit is vastly less than $250.



To each their own.
 
2/2/2010 4:17:52 PM EDT
[#27]
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Joey,

I bought a 556 pistol, SBRed it, and though a pretty cool little (heavy) package, if I had to do it over again I'd have just SBRed an AR. The 556 does not equal a Swiss 55x series weapon and to me, SIG's QC at this point barely justifies my business.

Now what I bought that I absolutely love is my MSAR E4 (takes AR mags).

It's a fantastic shooter, piston operated, SBR length with zero paperwork and it's just a very well made gun. I wasn't sure what to expect, but suffice it to say I'd by another in a second. The Trijicon TA33H-G was made for this gun. The E4 is a quality weapon from tip to tip.....and IMO, very reasonably priced.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/5POINT56/MSAR_E4-1.jpg  


Your a bad man......I'm gonna do me some research on this puppy



I had one the trigger sucked and a parts kit at the time was $250.00.  Sold it less than 2 months after I got it.  I did however get just about what I paid for it and that was the best thing about it.  YMMV

You're in a vast minority with that opinion. The gun has been very well received, particularly the E4, which not only accepts AR mags, but also represents the original design benefiting from 3 generations of refinements. Additionally, the parts kit is vastly less than $250.

To each their own.


 


Cool the parts kits are down to $178.00 plus shipping.   I will say this though,  "It was an easy gun to take down and clean"

2/2/2010 4:37:22 PM EDT
[#28]
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Joey,

I bought a 556 pistol, SBRed it, and though a pretty cool little (heavy) package, if I had to do it over again I'd have just SBRed an AR. The 556 does not equal a Swiss 55x series weapon and to me, SIG's QC at this point barely justifies my business.

Now what I bought that I absolutely love is my MSAR E4 (takes AR mags).

It's a fantastic shooter, piston operated, SBR length with zero paperwork and it's just a very well made gun. I wasn't sure what to expect, but suffice it to say I'd by another in a second. The Trijicon TA33H-G was made for this gun. The E4 is a quality weapon from tip to tip.....and IMO, very reasonably priced.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/5POINT56/MSAR_E4-1.jpg  


Your a bad man......I'm gonna do me some research on this puppy



I had one the trigger sucked and a parts kit at the time was $250.00.  Sold it less than 2 months after I got it.  I did however get just about what I paid for it and that was the best thing about it.  YMMV


George, I think you had the MSAR 556 model not the newer "E" model.  I wonder if the triggers are still the same?
2/2/2010 4:39:16 PM EDT
[#29]
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Get a ACR !!  Its the Shitzzzz  


I'll let you know how the ACR does, we ordered the first one coming into Shooters (and no, I did not have a choice on this one of where we ordered from or I would have gone to Neil).


My statement was meant as sarcasm ...  I'm not paying anywhere near what they want for that rifle, nor do I know many who will.
2/2/2010 6:37:55 PM EDT
[#30]



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Another vote for a MSAR E4.


make that 3

 
2/2/2010 8:39:09 PM EDT
[#31]
Quoted:
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Get a ACR !!  Its the Shitzzzz  


I'll let you know how the ACR does, we ordered the first one coming into Shooters (and no, I did not have a choice on this one of where we ordered from or I would have gone to Neil).


My statement was meant as sarcasm ...  I'm not paying anywhere near what they want for that rifle, nor do I know many who will.


I didn't pay for it, but I will still let you know what I think of it soon enough
2/3/2010 2:27:56 PM EDT
[#32]
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Joey,

I bought a 556 pistol, SBRed it, and though a pretty cool little (heavy) package, if I had to do it over again I'd have just SBRed an AR. The 556 does not equal a Swiss 55x series weapon and to me, SIG's QC at this point barely justifies my business.

Now what I bought that I absolutely love is my MSAR E4 (takes AR mags).

It's a fantastic shooter, piston operated, SBR length with zero paperwork and it's just a very well made gun. I wasn't sure what to expect, but suffice it to say I'd by another in a second. The Trijicon TA33H-G was made for this gun. The E4 is a quality weapon from tip to tip.....and IMO, very reasonably priced.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/5POINT56/MSAR_E4-1.jpg  


Your a bad man......I'm gonna do me some research on this puppy



I had one the trigger sucked and a parts kit at the time was $250.00.  Sold it less than 2 months after I got it.  I did however get just about what I paid for it and that was the best thing about it.  YMMV


George, I think you had the MSAR 556 model not the newer "E" model.  I wonder if the triggers are still the same?


I should have stated that it was one of the earlier models.  I hope after 3 generations they could get that right