[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Dagger Carry (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/14/2009 1:30:42 PM EDT
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I have FL CCW
I know that carrying fixed knives concealed is generally a no go w/o a CWL as only a folder is though to be considered a "ordinary pocket knife". I hear that you can open carry any knife you want, though I've never seen that in the code. Course, what is not prohibited in the code is presumed to be legal I guess. I am thinking about carrying a large dagger concealed, w/ a little modification to my pants. Also, I need a big dagger anyway. I only have varous small knives and a big chopper. So, is there any legal prohibition on carrying a large dagger, either concealed or open in fl for permit holder? |
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Well knifes make a lot less noise for 1 thing   For all the times you need to silently assassinate someone in self defense? hehe. No, seriously, there are times when going to knife is better than gun, I mean besides when sneaking up on someone or whatever. Something you know when you do enough force or force using various combinations of X vrs Y using bare, blade, pistol, other vrs. Plus, maybe I want to carry a 1911 and so I need to practice transitions during stoppages. 
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The only restriction that I know of regarding CWL holders carrying concealed knives in Florida is the prohibition against :"spring knives", "ballistic knives", and "projectile knives" which are legally the same thing, and those descriptions are used to describe those "Spetznatz" style knives that shoot their blades completely out from the handles as projectiles.
You can carry a concealed "dirk" if you have a Florida CWL. There are three catagories of knives in Florida: Ballistic knives, which are 100% illegal Common pocketknives, which may be carried without a CWL And everything else, including "dirks" which require a CWL to carry. |
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Quoted: hehe. No, seriously, there are times when going to knife is better than gun, I mean besides when sneaking up on someone or whatever. Something you know when you do enough force or force using various combinations of X vrs Y using bare, blade, pistol, other vrs. Plus, maybe I want to carry a 1911 and so I need to practice transitions during stoppages.  Wut?ETA: So when are you silently sneaking up on someone while you are defending yourself? |
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For the record, I usually try to carry some kind of blade on my person. Not necessarily to be used as a weapon, but as a just-in-case type of thing. For instance, what if you're in a crash, and your seatbelt jams? Or whatever...
Lately I've been carrying a cheap Sheffield Absaroka like this: 
Mine is a lot more purple than this one. Yeah, it's cheap, but my favorite EDC knife (a SOG blink that I won in a giveaway sponsored by Nick Ward) got stolen after I stupidly left it unattended in MY desk drawer in MY office. Fucking thieves. |
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Quoted: For the record, I usually try to carry some kind of blade on my person. Not necessarily to be used as a weapon, but as a just-in-case type of thing. For instance, what if you're in a crash, and your seatbelt jams? Or whatever... Lately I've been carrying a cheap Sheffield Absaroka like this: http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/sheffield_12855.jpg Mine is a lot more purple than this one. Yeah, it's cheap, but my favorite EDC knife (a SOG blink that I won in a giveaway sponsored by Nick Ward) got stolen after I stupidly left it unattended in MY desk drawer in MY office. Fucking thieves. Cute  J/K  Since we are showing off our carry knives...  |
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I have my ccw too. So I can carry pretty much any type of knife I have as long as it doesnt shoot the blade out of it?
Also, what about other types of weapons such as brass knuckles or an ASP? I carry a small CRKT folder that ive had for years, a M&P9c, and a kel-tec P3at. Mostly use the knife for opening stuff which is handy to have. I was under the assumption I could carry pretty much any kind of weapon... |
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I see no reason that the original poster can't carry a large dagger. I see even less reason for him to justify his wanting to do that to any one. Geez, can't we ever just give an answer without all that silliness? Hey thanks, I recall I started a discussion a while back about what the best type of gun is to heave in your trunk, like a shotgun or a cabine etc and a handful of people flipped out and told me I was a nut for doing this and I was the reson for the 94 Klinton ban etc. Then the rest of the posters told them to STFU... I'm on a site dedicated to guns and I have to justify carrying a knife. That's alright. Thanks for everyone's input.
Othere daggers that would be tits are James Keating's Crossada and Hammond's Flesh Eater. Both are very heavy and expensive, compared to the OSS at 9oz and $60. Eventually, I'll get going making my own knives, but till then this will tide me over. |
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For a folder, consider CRKT Hammond Cruiser. Flipper, locks closed, great handle w/ a great grip. A larger folder. That grip is the one you want in a knife fight. Love the flipper, that or the apparently patented spyderco thumb hole. If you want one w/ a little beefier grip CRKT also made a hammond design called the Cascade. It is lock back and harder to open since there is no flipper. Both are discontinued so get em while you can. The blades are shorter, but shorter blades CUT deeper.
Get the plain edge. |
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I see no reason that the original poster can't carry a large dagger. I see even less reason for him to justify his wanting to do that to any one. Geez, can't we ever just give an answer without all that silliness? Hey thanks, I recall I started a discussion a while back about what the best type of gun is to heave in your trunk, like a shotgun or a cabine etc and a handful of people flipped out and told me I was a nut for doing this and I was the reson for the 94 Klinton ban etc. Then the rest of the posters told them to STFU... I'm on a site dedicated to guns and I have to justify carrying a knife. That's alright. Thanks for everyone's input.
Othere daggers that would be tits are James Keating's Crossada and Hammond's Flesh Eater. Both are very heavy and expensive, compared to the OSS at 9oz and $60. Eventually, I'll get going making my own knives, but till then this will tide me over. I think you both have suffered from misinterpretation. Like most folks here, I carry a knife every day, just for the utility of the thing. It also would serve as a self-defense weapon in a pinch, although there are few self defense scenarios I can imagine in which I'd rather have a knife then a gun. Mostly, we were just poking fun at Reef for touting the 'silent advantage' to a knife in a self defense situation. Although, I suppose if I were fighting for my life in a neo-natal ward and didn't want to risk waking the babies, the silent advantage of a knife would be useful. The trouble with the internet is that it is hard to convey tone in writing, |
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Quoted: The trouble with the internet is that it is hard to convey tone in writing, As JohnnyEgo says above, its hard to read how people are "talking" on the internet. OP - I think you are miss understanding me and some others. Most of us carry a knife on us at all times but the knife is not a large combat knife/dirk/dagger/etc. I see it to be silly to conceal carry a knife that big. It will be heavy, bulky, hard to conceal, etc. A large sheath knife is not what I would recommend for daily carry. All you will need is a 3" - 4" blade folder. I like assisted opening knives (like mine above) so I can open them fast if I need them in case of a situation. |
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When I teach weapons retention I try to impart the value of carrying a knife on the weak side that can be utilized with the weak hand. Someone trying to take your firearm qualifies for a dose of lethal force and few have the stomach to stay in close and continue the struggle when you turn vegamatick on them. A fixed blade is much stronger and easier to deploy than a folder is. I currently carry a gerber assisted opener that is weak side friendly and is easy to both open and close one handed, however I've been looking hard at RAT Cutlery of late.  |
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Since we are showing off our carry knives... http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Spinal-Tap/100_1232.jpg 
Leatherman Core Kershaw Vapor Smith & Wesson H.R.T. Walmart "Swiss" army knife 
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Quoted: When I teach weapons retention I try to impart the value of carrying a knife on the weak side that can be utilized with the weak hand. Someone trying to take your firearm qualifies for a dose of lethal force and few have the stomach to stay in close and continue the struggle when you turn vegamatick on them. A fixed blade is much stronger and easier to deploy than a folder is. I currently carry a gerber assisted opener that is weak side friendly and is easy to both open and close one handed, however I've been looking hard at RAT Cutlery of late. The gun is now gone, but the push knife is still around. 
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I see no reason that the original poster can't carry a large dagger. I see even less reason for him to justify his wanting to do that to any one. Geez, can't we ever just give an answer without all that silliness? Hey thanks, I recall I started a discussion a while back about what the best type of gun is to heave in your trunk, like a shotgun or a cabine etc and a handful of people flipped out and told me I was a nut for doing this and I was the reson for the 94 Klinton ban etc. Then the rest of the posters told them to STFU... I'm on a site dedicated to guns and I have to justify carrying a knife. That's alright. Thanks for everyone's input.
Othere daggers that would be tits are James Keating's Crossada and Hammond's Flesh Eater. Both are very heavy and expensive, compared to the OSS at 9oz and $60. Eventually, I'll get going making my own knives, but till then this will tide me over. I think you both have suffered from misinterpretation. Like most folks here, I carry a knife every day, just for the utility of the thing. It also would serve as a self-defense weapon in a pinch, although there are few self defense scenarios I can imagine in which I'd rather have a knife then a gun. Mostly, we were just poking fun at Reef for touting the 'silent advantage' to a knife in a self defense situation. Although, I suppose if I were fighting for my life in a neo-natal ward and didn't want to risk waking the babies, the silent advantage of a knife would be useful. The trouble with the internet is that it is hard to convey tone in writing, Like wise you must have missed the in my post
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Have you had any knife training if not I'd say don't carry it. Knife fighting is a tricky business and unless you have some exp. under your belt don't do it. If you want some training look into some PMA (philipino Martial Arts) like Escrima, Silat or Kali. all teach single, and double knife fighting as well as disarms and stick and empty hands techniques. Very Good stuff.
You wouldn't carry a gun without proper training so why a F@#$ing Dagger. |
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Have you had any knife training if not I'd say don't carry it. Knife fighting is a tricky business and unless you have some exp. under your belt don't do it. If you want some training look into some PMA (philipino Martial Arts) like Escrima, Silat or Kali. all teach single, and double knife fighting as well as disarms and stick and empty hands techniques. Very Good stuff.
You wouldn't carry a gun without proper training so why a F@#$ing Dagger. |
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Quoted: Have you had any knife training if not I'd say don't carry it. Knife fighting is a tricky business and unless you have some exp. under your belt don't do it. If you want some training look into some PMA (philipino Martial Arts) like Escrima, Silat or Kali. all teach single, and double knife fighting as well as disarms and stick and empty hands techniques. Very Good stuff. You wouldn't carry a gun without proper training so why a F@#$ing Dagger. If somebody is trapping your gun arm/hand, do you really need to be a master in knife fighting to be able to draw your knife with your weak hand and slice/stab the inside of their arm/face/neck? I would be a little more interested in surviving the encounter and not worrying about which discipline I'm better-versed in. I guess you'd rather go bare handed, though. That's up to you. I'm going to slash or stab, create distance, then draw my firearm and perform threat removal. |
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I carry one of these everyday in Jacksonville
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BD1Y291WL._SS500_.jpg Yes, but that's because you're a ninja. |
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I carry one of these everyday in Jacksonville
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BD1Y291WL._SS500_.jpg Yes, but that's because you're a ninja. Yup I'm just a regular ninja, but not a Magpul Ninja
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I carry one of these everyday in Jacksonville
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BD1Y291WL._SS500_.jpg Yes, but that's because you're a ninja. Yup I'm just a regular ninja, but not a Magpul Ninja
Bujinkan? So you carry that on your person? How exactly? And, FWIW, who makes that? |
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Quoted: I carry one of these everyday in Jacksonville http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BD1Y291WL._SS500_.jpg Nhung sung giau o dau? |
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Have you had any knife training if not I'd say don't carry it. Knife fighting is a tricky business and unless you have some exp. under your belt don't do it. If you want some training look into some PMA (philipino Martial Arts) like Escrima, Silat or Kali. all teach single, and double knife fighting as well as disarms and stick and empty hands techniques. Very Good stuff. You wouldn't carry a gun without proper training so why a F@#$ing Dagger. Yes I have. But still, I'm not looking to get into a knife duel. "knife fighting" is serious business and all you can do is chose somewhat where you get cut. I mostly and wanting to "fight w/ a knife" It would be more as a side arm to my pistol, so to speak or to use in a CQB defensive maneuver where I suddenly draw from concealment & thrust etc. Especially if there is someone I can't destroy behind him or if it is just quicker to draw the knife and he is right on top of me. If the situation was ever such that he saw the knife before he felt it, I hope he would just move along to a softer target b/c I would make it clear that proceeding would end in his demise or MAD. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I carry one of these everyday in Jacksonville http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BD1Y291WL._SS500_.jpg Nhung sung giau o dau? I agree |
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I carry one of these everyday in Jacksonville
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BD1Y291WL._SS500_.jpg Nhung sung giau o dau?
2 gau sung giau o trong quan 
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I carry one of these everyday in Jacksonville http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BD1Y291WL._SS500_.jpg Nhung sung giau o dau? 2 gau sung giau o trong quan  |
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I own an M9 bayonet. 95% of the time it is on my Mossy 590A1. The other 5% of the time it's on my tac vest when I go to the range.
I too have recently been looking at a blade to carry. Planning ahead in purchasing a back-up pistol, Walther PPS .40S&W, I figure a boot knife would do just fine. This way I can have the pistol on the inside and the boot knife on the outside of the ankle holster. On my other ankle would be a double mag holster for the PPS...I currently carry a Glock 22 with laser/tac light in a Fobus tactical paddle holster and a Fobus double mag pouch (50 rounds for the Glock). This is the knife I'm looking at: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31PNCQ81KKL._SS500_.jpg |
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Have you had any knife training if not I'd say don't carry it. Knife fighting is a tricky business and unless you have some exp. under your belt don't do it. If you want some training look into some PMA (philipino Martial Arts) like Escrima, Silat or Kali. all teach single, and double knife fighting as well as disarms and stick and empty hands techniques. Very Good stuff. You wouldn't carry a gun without proper training so why a F@#$ing Dagger. You don't need training to carry a knife. It can help, but you don't *need* it. Having a knife without training is much better than not having a knife and needing one. Even going up against a trained knife fighter it would be better to have a knife than be bare handed. Same applies to a gun. If we all were trying to be 100% tactical we would all be sporting AR's or AK's and only be traveling in groups. |
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I have FL CCW I know that carrying fixed knives concealed is generally a no go w/o a CWL as only a folder is though to be considered a "ordinary pocket knife". I hear that you can open carry any knife you want, though I've never seen that in the code. Course, what is not prohibited in the code is presumed to be legal I guess. I am thinking about carrying a large dagger concealed, w/ a little modification to my pants. Also, I need a big dagger anyway. I only have varous small knives and a big chopper. So, is there any legal prohibition on carrying a large dagger, either concealed or open in fl for permit holder? I'm not a police officer so don't take my word as law. I am, however, a land surveyor who spends 40 hrs a week in the woods. Many of the guys I work with carry large fixed knives (one even carries a hatchet, everywhere) openly and have never had a problem. We frequently encounter officers at the 7-11/gas station and they never blink an eye at the sight of a Bowie-knife-clad woodsman in line ahead of them. I walked into a 7-11 today with a 24" bladed machete that I forgot I still had on. (long day) I still think a ninja sword in the mall might raise some eyebrows. Discretion is a virtue. |
