Posted: 6/2/2009 3:44:08 PM EDT
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as usual, a mixed performance on my part. horrible on the first one. i spaced out and forgot to take out the middle target first. second was respectable in 3rd place.
in other news, a new AK has been brought into the family. my bulgarian 74 came in today. i told my wife my new mail order bulgarian girlfriend on the side arrived today. she just yawned in bemusement. lolololol |
| Thanks Chuck for posting them. I've been checking for the past 2 days! Its been over a year since I've been out there. Can't wait to see what next month is like. I'm hoping for more shooting, maybe some mag changes and transition to pistol. Great turn out, It was nice to see some old faces out there. |
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I would have to say that this month is not indicative of the usual scenarios you will be faced with as a shooter at FDCC. I think the intention was there but an hour and a half drive for 21 rounds and about 30 seconds behind the gun is usually not the way things work. Not trying to sound ungrateful to the people that organized and set up the event. I feel this month will be a little more challenging.
I do think a few things should be addressed. First off Safety Violators: I saw, and heard about, a few safety violations some being from the more experienced shooters out there. Remember not to get too comfortable with yourself everyone out there should know better than to muzzle sweep people. In fact I heard of one instance where someone muzzle swept someone twice and then when they were told about it they just kinda chuckled and said don't worry it's not loaded... 1st safety rule all guns are loaded all the time. Don't get complacent with safety sometimes it's the most veteran shooters that get too comfortable and then someone ends up getting hurt. I also heard about but did not witness an ND. Watch yourselves guys. Something else, If you have a Malfunction work through it finish the course of fire. If you are unable to do so then you should get an incomplete and take the penalties. The point of FDCC IMHO is to simulate real life scenarios. And I feel it's unfair counterproductive to either stop or to be allowed to have a Do-over. Try transitioning pistol shots are difficult at 30-50 yards but not impossible train how you will fight. Sorry if I'm stepping on toes but some others that I had talked to felt the same so I felt I should express my Ideas and concerns. This wasn't meant to bash anyone in particular and I hope people will see this as constructive criticism and not some for of bashing. |
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Two comments here on this past FDCC shoot.
One - if you're standing around while people are helping set-up the COF (course of fire) - you're wrong. Instead, ask whomever set up the COF, "What may I do to be helpful?" It's too easy. If you're not helping then drop a 20 dollar bill into the donation jar. Two - Safety is key so here they are - the rules to live by - written in order - follow them and it's impossible to have a problem: 1.) Firearms are always loaded 2.) Aim your weapon only at that which you're willing to destroy 3.) Know your target and what is beyond it 4.) Keep your finger off the trigger until you've made the choice to shoot We need to go over these at every shoot as if we know what we're talking about - there shouldn't be any forgetting - use a index card if you must - or let me give the safety brief - I'll be happy to help out. With regard to rule 1.) above, this is has 1% to do with the physical state of a weapon and 99% to do with your state of mind. This means that if you always treat and act as if a firearm is loaded then you'll never do anything you shouldn't with it. But if you're the 1% that says well I just saw the round come of out chamber and into my hand so I know it's unloaded - you're wrong, wrong, wrong. If I had it my way that word would be banned from the range since an unloaded gun never can exist to begin with. I'm not one to complain and not offer suggestions - so if those that have designed the course of fire don't mind - I won't steal your thunder - I am happy to give a simple, brief and understandable safety brief. Moreover if there are safety questions to be addresses I'll address them. If I don't know the answer I'll seek it out right away. One last safety suggestion - I feel that the to-be shooter should come in from the left side (if facing down range) and that the shooter who's just completed the COF should exist off to the right. That way if there's a firearm issue the completed shooter is in the spot designated for issues. Also this allows a shakey-hyperactive-adrenaline-ripped shooter to cool-off and be away from everyone else for a minute. Consistancy is key all-around. |
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Looking at the thread title, this is a "FDCC SCORES". This is not an FDCC AAR, FDCC Pic Thread, or FDCC Bitch session. Yes while previous FDCC threads have had pictures, and mini after actions, its not always guaranteed or warranted.
While some of your comments are applicable, a lot of them are way off basis, inappropriate, borderline over the top for a public venue such as this. Praise in public, criticize in private. If you had a problem with the way things ran, dont interject your opinions in an open forum. Take them to the people in charge that weekend PERSONALLY, and do not create a dog pile on an internet forum. Also, if you are going to criticize on an open forum, please leave your real name at the bottom of the post, so we all know who is who. -Derek Connor |
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Looking at the thread title, this is a "FDCC SCORES". This is not an FDCC AAR, FDCC Pic Thread, or FDCC Bitch session. Yes while previous FDCC threads have had pictures, and mini after actions, its not always guaranteed or warranted. While some of your comments are applicable, a lot of them are way off basis, inappropriate, borderline over the top for a public venue such as this. Praise in public, criticize in private. If you had a problem with the way things ran, dont interject your opinions in an open forum. Take them to the people in charge that weekend PERSONALLY, and do not create a dog pile on an internet forum. Also, if you are going to criticize on an open forum, please leave your real name at the bottom of the post, so we all know who is who. -Derek Connor Ah yes but I think we will all learn something from this, not just the individuals. No names were named so I would not say anything was borderline. we are all grown ups here except for the 10 year old ( who shot better than I did I think) so I think were all need to be able to take some criticism and not get all "butt hurt". Hope to see everybody next month. I kinda dug the bolt gun course but would have like to see some longer distances that were more akin to bolt gun style shooting. shooting a 30.06 at 7 yards is like launching an ICBM to attack the next subdivision.  -Sam Houston
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Looking at the thread title, this is a "FDCC SCORES". This is not an FDCC AAR, FDCC Pic Thread, or FDCC Bitch session. Yes while previous FDCC threads have had pictures, and mini after actions, its not always guaranteed or warranted. While some of your comments are applicable, a lot of them are way off basis, inappropriate, borderline over the top for a public venue such as this. Praise in public, criticize in private. If you had a problem with the way things ran, dont interject your opinions in an open forum. Take them to the people in charge that weekend PERSONALLY, and do not create a dog pile on an internet forum. Also, if you are going to criticize on an open forum, please leave your real name at the bottom of the post, so we all know who is who. -Derek Connor Ah yes but I think we will all learn something from this, not just the individuals. No names were named so I would not say anything was borderline. we are all grown ups here except for the 10 year old ( who shot better than I did I think) so I think were all need to be able to take some criticism and not get all "butt hurt". Hope to see everybody next month. I kinda dug the bolt gun course but would have like to see some longer distances that were more akin to bolt gun style shooting. shooting a 30.06 at 7 yards is like launching an ICBM to attack the next subdivision. -Sam Houston
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Its not about getting "butt hurt" or people learning their lessons on safety and so fourth.
If people saw unsafe things, address it on the range where the impact is real and over with.Don't come to some internet thread and soap box it. If you think someone gave a speech on firearms safety that was less than stellar, ADDRESS IT WITH THEM, do not grand stand it here. If you want a different course of fire, great. Get a crayon, and a piece of paper, and send it to the people who are in charge of it next month for consideration. |
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Its not about getting "butt hurt" or people learning their lessons on safety and so fourth. If people saw unsafe things, address it on the range where the impact is real and over with.Don't come to some internet thread and soap box it. If you think someone gave a speech on firearms safety that was less than stellar, ADDRESS IT WITH THEM, do not grand stand it here. If you want a different course of fire, great. Get a crayon, and a piece of paper, and send it to the people who are in charge of it next month for consideration. I thought you just said earlier not to address it in public at the range to do it in private out of sight. And I thought Rob gave a great safety lecture as he always does. In my opinion I surely do not think that was the reason for all the safety issues. This is an open forum Derrick so that people cant interject there opinions. Its people getting complacent. Situational awareness or lack there of was an issue and I did see and instance of poor communication. I think it is about people learning lessons so that it hopefully doesn't happen again. In life we learn from our mistakes. I am not trying to piss you off Derrick this is just my opinion. If I make a safety violation I damn sure want to be told about it in front of everybody and to my face so i never make that mistake again, I expect nothing less and I strive for safe shooting. -Sam Houston |
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I thought you just said earlier not to address it in public at the range to do it in private out of sight. And I thought Rob gave a great safety lecture as he always does. In my opinion I surely do not think that was the reason for all the safety issues. This is an open forum Derrick so that people cant interject there opinions. When a safety violation happens, address it to the person. One of the violations mentioned above happened to me. I addressed it, the violator didn't really care, so I will choose not to shoot around them or near them anymore. Done. Yes, you might be out in PUBLIC, but I never said do it "out of sight". Have some tact, do it face to face, and leave it there. NO reason to get everyone's attention and curb check the person... My comment about praise in public, and criticize in private was for those who were beginning the dogpile in regards to the courses of fire, it was not in regards to correction safety violations. Interjecting opinions are fine, a great example is JaxBushMaster above, real simple, pleasent, "this is what I would have liked to seen". Easy. But the other post above...its overtone was a bit condescending towards the safety briefer, and unwarranted. Its people getting complacent.
Situational awareness or lack there of was an issue and I did see and instance of poor communication. Ok? So....what did you personally do about the lack of situational awareness? What did you do about the instance of poor communication? I think it is about people learning lessons so that it hopefully doesn't happen again. In life we learn from our mistakes. I am not trying to piss you off Derrick this is just my opinion. I never said anything to the contrary, lessons can be learned extremely efficiently without being malicious, embarrassing, or without being documented on a public forum. 
Now if the people who had safety violations want to come on here and talk about them, then we can all get educated, I can see a purpose. But, for us to point out to in at those who did something wrong in a public venue such as this forum, is counter productive, asshatery, and borderline childish. If I make a safety violation I damn sure want to be told about it in front of everybody and to my face so i never make that mistake again, I expect nothing less and I strive for safe shooting. -Sam Houston Like I mentioned above, i think you are confused on what im saying. I hate typing..and i hardly proof read. Sorry. |
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Curb check no, but I will say this Humiliation is a great learning tool. It worked for me in the military.
As far as the SA breakdown, yes I guess I could have stepped in and said something but it was over so fast and so subtle that I didn't fully realize what had happened until much later. But it is everyones responsibility! Anyways I digress I had a good time I may have some inputs for next month ( not sure who is running the course of fire) but I'll be there (work permitting) |
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Looking at the thread title, this is a "FDCC SCORES". This is not an FDCC AAR, FDCC Pic Thread, or FDCC Bitch session. Yes while previous FDCC threads have had pictures, and mini after actions, its not always guaranteed or warranted. So I should have started a whole new thread? I don't see the reason to start a thread for scores a thread for pictures and a thread for addressing issues. While some of your comments are applicable, a lot of them are way off basis, inappropriate, borderline over the top for a public venue such as this.
Over the top how so? I simply offered constructive criticism. and let people know they are getting complacent. Sorry but sometimes people will still continue to be safety violators and no one should have to "Avoid that particular shooter" that particular shooter should be pressured by everyone to either be safe or leave. About the course of fire if it was just me I wouldn't have said anything. But so many people complained ranging from a first time guy, to previous regulars that hadn't been out in awhile, to regulars that go almost every month. That I felt that people could be made aware and learn from it rather than putting another check in the box and going on. Praise in public, criticize in private. If you had a problem with the way things ran, dont interject your opinions in an open forum.
Simply put I disagree I was neither malicious nor did I point fingers. But sometimes constructive discussions and input should be welcome from all parties involved. Take them to the people in charge that weekend PERSONALLY, and do not create a dog pile on an internet forum.
I don't know the people in charge all that well nor do many of the people that came. I personally talked to several people that complained in the span of three days I heard several disparaging remarks about the way things went. I simply stated that usually things are run better no matter who runs it and I think things will work out better next time. Also, if you are going to criticize on an open forum, please leave your real name at the bottom of the post, so we all know who is who.
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Looking at the thread title, this is a "FDCC SCORES". This is not an FDCC AAR, FDCC Pic Thread, or FDCC Bitch session. Yes while previous FDCC threads have had pictures, and mini after actions, its not always guaranteed or warranted. So I should have started a whole new thread? I don't see the reason to start a thread for scores a thread for pictures and a thread for addressing issues. While some of your comments are applicable, a lot of them are way off basis, inappropriate, borderline over the top for a public venue such as this.
Over the top how so? I simply offered constructive criticism. and let people know they are getting complacent. Sorry but sometimes people will still continue to be safety violators and no one should have to "Avoid that particular shooter" that particular shooter should be pressured by everyone to either be safe or leave. About the course of fire if it was just me I wouldn't have said anything. But so many people complained ranging from a first time guy, to previous regulars that hadn't been out in awhile, to regulars that go almost every month. That I felt that people could be made aware and learn from it rather than putting another check in the box and going on. Praise in public, criticize in private. If you had a problem with the way things ran, dont interject your opinions in an open forum.
Simply put I disagree I was neither malicious nor did I point fingers. But sometimes constructive discussions and input should be welcome from all parties involved. Take them to the people in charge that weekend PERSONALLY, and do not create a dog pile on an internet forum.
I don't know the people in charge all that well nor do many of the people that came. I personally talked to several people that complained in the span of three days I heard several disparaging remarks about the way things went. I simply stated that usually things are run better no matter who runs it and I think things will work out better next time. Also, if you are going to criticize on an open forum, please leave your real name at the bottom of the post, so we all know who is who.
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Pictures. Enjoy.
Since this is, technically, my thread, I've got standing to express myself herein. Regarding the safety violations... this month just sucked. Including me. Rob conducted an excellent safety brief. I listened to it, and then I got complacent thereafter. Sam called me on a finger violation. He saw it from 30 yards away and called me on it. ¼ of a second later I fixed it, and held it up to show him I fixed it. No attitudes on his part or mine, just a problem and a solution. People taking care of people. Unfortunately, not every called violation was handled in that manner. That's frustrating and I understand the need to vent. Unfortunately, no amount of discussion (hostile, cordial, or otherwise) here on this board is going to improve the situation. We need to be more diligent out there. It really is as simple as that. I'll try to do a better job, and ask everyone else to do likewise. I also suggest that we reconsider the "other than condition four" sidearm behind the line rule. Seriously, why? People, obviously, won't walk to the east end of the line to clear/load their pistols. Why aren't we loading/clearing sidearms downrange when the range is hot, anyways? Regarding the courses of fire, it's pretty damn easy to underestimate how difficult it is to keep coming up with fresh ideas. We have SUCH a diverse crowd showing up these days. Some folks want dynamic weapons manipulation. Some folks want high round count. Some folks want to make sure they don't get dirty. We cycle through them all eventually. We tried, and tried hard, to stratify the courses so that more "able" shooters could push themselves while "less able" shooters could still participate. In the end, almost NO ONE was willing to accept that they weren't in the advanced crowd. People simply didn't shoot the courses as they weren't designed. Writing a COF is easy. Writing a widely-appealling one 36 times in a row isn't. Regarding timeliness of posting scores and pics. I'm really glad that you guys appreciate and are anxious to see the pics. I really am. It validates that my "contribution", however small, is meaningful. That said... c'mon. DAMN! Gimme three days for JTFC's sake. I took over the role of scorebitch after my second or third appearance out there. I think Sam (the other Sam) would probably agree that the average time to get scores posted back then was somewhere between a week and a half and two weeks. I don't think I've ever taken more than three days. Maybe, maybe not. I've got all the same woes & chores that everyone else has. FUCK! Dave: I think your idea of "enter stage left, exit stage right" is excellent, and I agree with it for the reasons you stated. Derek, Leon, John... DAMN it's good to see you guys out there. It's been too long you guys. I hope to see everyone next month! |
| I have heard a great many complaints about this months course as well. Granted, I wasnt there, but I heard so many I began asking people what they thought, and the responses were pretty much universal. So long as things stay civil, and this seems to be, I usually like to see discussions be inclusive of the people effected by the outcome rather than exclusive in any way. Short of a more compelling argument for shutting it down, I'd like to see discussions on how we can improve continue. I for one welcome ideas and suggestions. |
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I am disappointed to see the dialogue descend into back and forth. I think he brought up valid points and without "range officers" barking in my fucking ear like certain unnamed ranges in jax, we all have a direct responsibility to each other, to the local community, and to the range itself to take a collaborative approach to safety. I will dismiss the endorsement of humiliation as a way to teach people. IMHO it is an outdated, outmoded leadership technique that has no place on a range and should be left out of the equation. The tact, mutual respect, knowledge, and kindness of 99% of the members of this group are the exact reason I come. There have been many a time when Chuck has gently given me feedback on a variety of things and on several occasions when I was doing something stupid, he was able to help me fix it without off-putting. The day it turns into a pissing contest and ego driven nonsense, or a place to be humiliated for making a mistake, I will move on. We need to have an environment where we can openly discuss ways to make it better because, after all, this costs very little and a great deal of enjoyment comes of it.
Having said that, I am grateful to Chuck for carrying that behemoth lens around every shoot, and to all for the smooth COF. With as many showing up as did, I think anything more complex would have been inappropriate and taken way too long. Constructively, I would ask that maybe we (and I am guilty too) talk a little less when the range officer is describing the exercise. I, on occasion, have a hard time hearing because of background noise. Most of us know how to show respect to an instructor. Let's pay some attention to this. With as many people as showed up last time, the respect of not talking while others are speaking could go a long way to making sure that COF is executed properly and more importantly, safely. In conclusion, thank you all for making my experience a good one. =) |
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Two comments here on this past FDCC shoot. One - if you're standing around while people are helping set-up the COF (course of fire) - you're wrong. Instead, ask whomever set up the COF, "What may I do to be helpful?" It's too easy. If you're not helping then drop a 20 dollar bill into the donation jar. Two - Safety is key so here they are - the rules to live by - written in order - follow them and it's impossible to have a problem: 1.) Firearms are always loaded 2.) Aim your weapon only at that which you're willing to destroy 3.) Know your target and what is beyond it 4.) Keep your finger off the trigger until you've made the choice to shoot We need to go over these at every shoot as if we know what we're talking about - there shouldn't be any forgetting - use a index card if you must - or let me give the safety brief - I'll be happy to help out. With regard to rule 1.) above, this is has 1% to do with the physical state of a weapon and 99% to do with your state of mind. This means that if you always treat and act as if a firearm is loaded then you'll never do anything you shouldn't with it. But if you're the 1% that says well I just saw the round come of out chamber and into my hand so I know it's unloaded - you're wrong, wrong, wrong. If I had it my way that word would be banned from the range since an unloaded gun never can exist to begin with. I'm not one to complain and not offer suggestions - so if those that have designed the course of fire don't mind - I won't steal your thunder - I am happy to give a simple, brief and understandable safety brief. Moreover if there are safety questions to be addresses I'll address them. If I don't know the answer I'll seek it out right away. One last safety suggestion - I feel that the to-be shooter should come in from the left side (if facing down range) and that the shooter who's just completed the COF should exist off to the right. That way if there's a firearm issue the completed shooter is in the spot designated for issues. Also this allows a shakey-hyperactive-adrenaline-ripped shooter to cool-off and be away from everyone else for a minute. Consistancy is key all-around. Two points to your two points. No one is wrong for not helping set up or take down or helping run a shoot. Those of us that do help, do it because we want to and like to do it. It is not expected of anyone to help. If you want to help we are more than willing to put you to work, but if you don't want to help, relax and have a good time. I like the idea that shooters exit to the right. But any down loading of any firearm for any reason will be done at the end of the COF under the direction of the RO (the person with the timer). The idea of the area to the right being a weapons handling area is for maintenance to be done on guns that have already been called clear. This presents a problem that must be taken care of. One last point. Firearms are always loaded being 99% mindset. Very eloquently stated, I can't agree more. I hope you don't have that copyrighted because I am going to use that every day at work and out on the range. |
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OK, a lot of things are coming to a head this month. This was going to happen regardless of a good month or a bad month. There are some things that have to be taken care of. This has happened before with FDCC and the results were less than ideal. We lost a lot of support and shooters when we have gotten to this point in the past. We will not let it happen again.
About a year ago the range we shoot at went threw some changes in the rules. We were afraid that FDCC would not be allowed to continue. Threw some work of some dedicated FDCC supporters we were aloud to continue so long as we had NRA certify range officers overseeing the match. Without them FDCC does not exist. So this is my proposal. These RO's need to have a meting. In this meting we can solve most of the problems just by being in the same place at the same time. Give ourselves a couple of hours to work some things out. After that we can open up the meting to every one. Solve problems and concerns and communicate some new ways we will be doing things to help make FDCC better. I would hope that in the least every one that frequently runs the timer would show up to this. I think this should also be a opportunity for a social event. Maybe at a restaurant so we can eat, drink and be merry. So who was in that RO class anyway? Norm Mike Chuck Me Who am I forgetting? |
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OK, a lot of things are coming to a head this month. This was going to happen regardless of a good month or a bad month. There are some things that have to be taken care of. This has happened before with FDCC and the results were less than ideal. We lost a lot of support and shooters when we have gotten to this point in the past. We will not let it happen again. About a year ago the range we shoot at went threw some changes in the rules. We were afraid that FDCC would not be allowed to continue. Threw some work of some dedicated FDCC supporters we were aloud to continue so long as we had NRA certify range officers overseeing the match. Without them FDCC does not exist. So this is my proposal. These RO's need to have a meting. In this meting we can solve most of the problems just by being in the same place at the same time. Give ourselves a couple of hours to work some things out. After that we can open up the meting to every one. Solve problems and concerns and communicate some new ways we will be doing things to help make FDCC better. I would hope that in the least every one that frequently runs the timer would show up to this. I think this should also be a opportunity for a social event. Maybe at a restaurant so we can eat, drink and be merry. So who was in that RO class anyway? Norm Mike Chuck Me Who am I forgetting? Alan M Mike Hucks, I think? |
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Regina and I will be there just let us know when everyone is meeting. I think as a start we need to use the yellow safety flags in all weapons on the bench. I have almost every member of my family out there every month my Dad,Wife,Daughter and they are my life. I will do whatever it takes to keep them safe.......
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This will be my last post for this in the interest of sanity.
-Martin, most of my comments were not directed at your post. It was the poster after you, "The-Power". I should have quoted him instead of just replying, sorry about that. -Sam, I'll echo Jenn's comments as well, you and I both know there are people reading this thread with more years in service than you and I's age combined that know humiliation is not an effective tool to correct others with firearms manipulations. And its sad to see this "tactic" still being popular today. Especially in an informal, monthly, civilain, weekend club. The last thing we want to do with a person with a hot weapon in their hands is have 40 people pointing and making a scene. You can get alot further by calm, stern, redirection and discussion on how not to do that again RIGHT THERE when it happens, not after the fact. But Sam, IF you have a safety violation in the future, we'll have you sit outside the range entrance, naked with your pants around your ankles, beating a drum, screaming "i muzzled my buddy!" "i muzzled my buddy"
Chuck put it more eloquently than I, which was the end message I was trying to bring home. If you have a problem with how a SPECIFIC person handles themselves on the range wether its safety, shooting, safety brief, body odor, whatever. Address it TO THEM, RIGHT then. Dont wait to beat it down on the internet. If you choose to address things on an internet forum, try doing it positively and with some tact as others have shown. If you feel you need to give an AAR, It would be good form to bring it up to the organizers immediately after the shoot, to give them a heads up. I did not mean to come across as "STFU, no soup for you" mentality, but it would go a long way for the people who organize events to hear from you that day, and not several days later after the shoot on the internet. With an AAR one should list things that are to be sustained (aka we liked it), AND improved. One shouldn't come w/out the other. Especially when people are putting their free time into course design, setup, tear down, and their materials that they all volunteer. Could have the courses been more invovled? Sure, of course. Next time we'll rent the helo out from JSO and make aerial shots. 
Although looking back, very few people cleaned the targets 100% on each course of fire. I'd venture 4/5 missed atleast once during a COF, including myself. Which shows how invaluable courses like this can be to reinforce the fundamentals of breathing, trigger control, reset follow through etc... Courses like these allow everyone to particpate that decides to show up, old/young/disabled/etc which is apart of the FDCC informal "creedo" isn't? For those that know me, I am all about safety, and whatever we can do to EFFECTIVELY address safety concerns and violations, im bout it bout it. |
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But Sam, IF you have a safety violation in the future, we'll have you sit outside the range entrance, naked with your pants around your ankles, beating a drum, screaming "i muzzled my buddy!" "i muzzled my buddy"
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Just a quick question....... Do you guys have any medically trained people that shoot or are on stand by... and has a trauma bag? I'm not talking about just a IFAK or blow out kit on some LBE.... I always bring a trauma bag to the shoot its got a decompression needle and lots of quick clot with a tourniquet and other goodies, God I hope its never used. But to answer yes and I pointed it out to Rob right after the safety brief last shoot |
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Just a quick question....... Do you guys have any medically trained people that shoot or are on stand by... and has a trauma bag? I'm not talking about just a IFAK or blow out kit on some LBE.... I always bring a trauma bag to the shoot its got a decompression needle and lots of quick clot with a tourniquet and other goodies, God I hope its never used. But to answer yes and I pointed it out to Rob right after the safety brief last shoot Cool....... I hope it's never used too! But it's always better to be prepared... |