Posted: 1/20/2009 6:11:48 PM EDT
Lets say for kicks I wanted to build an AR. I buy a reciever and all parts from different manufacturers. ( legally of course ). Now the reciever that had been bought was only ever recorded as a reciever and not a weapon yet. At that point if you were to put together these components to make a complete weapon, what are you responsible for as far as making a usable weapon Are there taxes you must pay or some agency you must report to about putting together a weapon I'm askin because a local dealer by me said that building a weapon even if all the parts were legally purchased is not leagal without reporting it and paying a tax on it. This doesn't seem right to me, but he said that if the shtf and I had to use it in defense that the weapon has never been actually classed as a weapon only a reciever and it isn't legal[>:/]. So I need some reassurances from the people I trust here.I'm just wondering if this is just his way of trying to get me to pay a much higher price through him.
Thanks in advance,, J.D. |
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Quoted: Lets say for kicks I wanted to build an AR. I buy a reciever and all parts from different manufacturers. ( legally of course ). Now the reciever that had been bought was only ever recorded as a reciever and not a weapon yet. At that point if you were to put together these components to make a complete weapon, what are you responsible for as far as making a usable weapon Are there taxes you must pay or some agency you must report to about putting together a weapon I'm askin because a local dealer by me said that building a weapon even if all the parts were legally purchased is not leagal without reporting it and paying a tax on it. This doesn't seem right to me, but he said that if the shtf and I had to use it in defense that the weapon has never been actually classed as a weapon only a reciever and it isn't legal . So I need some reassurances from the people I trust here.I'm just wondering if this is just his way of trying to get me to pay a much higher price through him.Thanks in advance,, J.D. ............ who did what, said what............... |
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I'm kinda in the same boat. I bought the receiver in FL. When I purchased the lower at the shop they filled it out as a receiver with now pistol/rifle designation. Now that I read the OP's question it makes a lot of sense. Could I get in shit for having a lower receiver that's not "registered" as a pistol or rifle?
Aside from the manufacturer symbol and the serial, the only markings on the lower are the caliber designation and "Model MOD4SA." I'm assuming I'm GTG but I don't want to be a poster child for ignorance. |
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No registration in Florida. When the FFL fills out the back of the 4473 they check handgun, longun or both.
In the firearm information they list manufacturer, model, serial number, caliber, and type (i.e. pistol, shotgun, rifle etc.). They may put down reciever as well. If your lower is marked pistol they should have filled it out as a pistol. When your background is called in the only information about what weapon you bought is whether it was a handgun, longgun, or both. The information filled out by the FFL about exactly what you bought is not given to FDLE when they conduct a background check (i.e. FDLE has no idea what you bought). The tax I assume you were told about is in regards to an FFL ordering a lower and an upper, putting it together themselves and placing it on the shelf for sale. The tax does not apply to the consumer building a rifle for their own use. You are fine since you bought all the parts legally and are putting the rifle together yourself. Don't worry about registration crap or what your FFL put on the 4473 in regards to your lower. Maybe this helps some.... |
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The tax I think the dealer is talking about is that as an FFL manufacturer that you must pay 10% on a receiver or 11% on a completed weapon (Barreled Receiver)
Now if you build a weapon for yourself for your own use then you dont need to worry the part where tax becomes involved (Technically) is when you and if you come to sell it at which point you should pay the same tax. Now this is where you can get into the "you cant sell a weapon that you build" discussion (which you can sell it but your supposed to pay the tax) Anyway long and short if your keeping it your good to go |
| if the rifle you are intending to build will have a barrel under 16" long or overall length under 26" you are going to have to pay for a $200 tax stamp. That is considered a short barreled rifle and is illegally regulated by the BATFE under the unconstitutional National Firearms Act of 1934. |
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The tax I think the dealer is talking about is that as an FFL manufacturer that you must pay 10% on a receiver or 11% on a completed weapon (Barreled Receiver) Right, dealers have to pay if they build it... Now if you build a weapon for yourself for your own use then you don't need to worry the part where tax becomes involved (Technically) is when you and if you come to sell it at which point you should pay the same tax. Right, as long as your not building the rifle to sell (i.e. just for yourself to use) Now this is where you can get into the "you cant sell a weapon that you build" discussion (which you can sell it but your supposed to pay the tax) Wrong, you can sell a rifle you built as long as your intention at the time of the build was to keep it for yourself...But, your right there is a lot of talk about this point Anyway long and short if your keeping it your good to go |
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The tax I think the dealer is talking about is that as an FFL manufacturer that you must pay 10% on a receiver or 11% on a completed weapon (Barreled Receiver) Now if you build a weapon for yourself for your own use then you dont need to worry the part where tax becomes involved (Technically) is when you and if you come to sell it at which point you should pay the same tax. Now this is where you can get into the "you cant sell a weapon that you build" discussion (which you can sell it but your supposed to pay the tax) Anyway long and short if your keeping it your good to go Yes this is what I believe he was talking about sayin that he could technically turn me in for building my own rifle and not paying the tax on it.. By the way it is a legally obtained Anvil reciever, Vltor upper, WOA 18inch stainless barrel RRA two stage set up all puchased in FL. and never intend on selling as this was my first build. Thanks for the info fellas , I was alittle confused and didn't wanna become some example of ignorence. Once again my community has not let me down,,,,Thank You |
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The tax I think the dealer is talking about is that as an FFL manufacturer that you must pay 10% on a receiver or 11% on a completed weapon (Barreled Receiver) Right, dealers have to pay if they build it... Now if you build a weapon for yourself for your own use then you don't need to worry the part where tax becomes involved (Technically) is when you and if you come to sell it at which point you should pay the same tax. Right, as long as your not building the rifle to sell (i.e. just for yourself to use) Now this is where you can get into the "you cant sell a weapon that you build" discussion (which you can sell it but your supposed to pay the tax) Wrong, you can sell a rifle you built as long as your intention at the time of the build was to keep it for yourself...But, your right there is a lot of talk about this point Anyway long and short if your keeping it your good to go But then you see we get into the did you intend to build and keep or build and sell but yes your 100% |
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The tax I think the dealer is talking about is that as an FFL manufacturer that you must pay 10% on a receiver or 11% on a completed weapon (Barreled Receiver) Right, dealers have to pay if they build it... Now if you build a weapon for yourself for your own use then you don't need to worry the part where tax becomes involved (Technically) is when you and if you come to sell it at which point you should pay the same tax. Right, as long as your not building the rifle to sell (i.e. just for yourself to use) Now this is where you can get into the "you cant sell a weapon that you build" discussion (which you can sell it but your supposed to pay the tax) Wrong, you can sell a rifle you built as long as your intention at the time of the build was to keep it for yourself...But, your right there is a lot of talk about this point Anyway long and short if your keeping it your good to go But then you see we get into the did you intend to build and keep or build and sell but yes your 100% I know what you mean...
Sucks really, Mike |