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Posted: 5/9/2016 8:44:08 PM EDT
| Say one could get a POF mp5 for $2-300 less than the MKE guns are right now. Are the MKE guns worth it? |
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Fit and finish on my MKE is much better than my POF. The paint job is nicer, the pushpins on the MKE come out with finger pressure while I need a hammer and punch for some of my POF pins. The knurling on the POF thread protector required some sanding down in order for my 3-lug mount to fit over it. The extra mags with the MKE are a nice touch as well as the extra pushpins. Since the mount is not a co-witnessing mount, I don't consider it to be much of a value add. My preference is also for the polymer lower housing of the MKE and not the metal lower housing of the POF. |
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Fit and finish on my MKE is much better than my POF. The paint job is nicer, the pushpins on the MKE come out with finger pressure while I need a hammer and punch for some of my POF pins. The knurling on the POF thread protector required some sanding down in order for my 3-lug mount to fit over it. The extra mags with the MKE are a nice touch as well as the extra pushpins. Since the mount is not a co-witnessing mount, I don't consider it to be much of a value add. My preference is also for the polymer lower housing of the MKE and not the metal lower housing of the POF. With the low height over bore and the giant sight ring of the triple tree you really don't want a co-witnessing sight on an MP5 type gun. It's better to go over the top. Some (operator as f@ck) even cut the top half off the triple tree ring. |
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Yep. Frankly, buying a POF didn't sit well with me. I'd rather buy products from a country that didn't harbor Osama bin Laden. I was very happy to buy an MKE. Quoted:
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Pakistan vs Turkey.....hmmmm......I think I prefer the Turkey made product. Yep. Frankly, buying a POF didn't sit well with me. I'd rather buy products from a country that didn't harbor Osama bin Laden. I was very happy to buy an MKE. big fucking +1 |
| I ended up with an MKE Z-5RS. glad i went that route. I was almost going to get a POF but through a few friends i found a dealer that had a POF and another that had an MKE. The MKE did look better over all. I will say thought, it was a TOUGH choice, because ive always been a reverse stretch fan. The POF is a REAL RS, the MKE is just a full size. but the overall finish is what did it for me. I got it last week and put 100 rounds of misc 9mm through it. only hickup i had was some of my VERY low power 9mm. i just wanted to see how low on powder i could go before i had feeding issues. |
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Quoted: you buy either with the plans to turn it into an SBR, what parts are we looking at for 922r compliance? Receiver Barrel Trunion Bolt Bolt Carrier Cocking Handle Trigger Housing Trigger Hammer Sear Buttstock Pistol Grip Forearm / Handguard Magazine Housing Magazine Follower Magazine Floorplate |
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Out of the sixteen below, you need 6 US made parts: Receiver Barrel Trunion Bolt Bolt Carrier Cocking Handle Trigger Housing Trigger Hammer Sear Buttstock Pistol Grip Forearm / Handguard Magazine Housing Magazine Follower Magazine Floorplate Quoted:
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you buy either with the plans to turn it into an SBR, what parts are we looking at for 922r compliance? Out of the sixteen below, you need 6 US made parts: Receiver Barrel Trunion Bolt Bolt Carrier Cocking Handle Trigger Housing Trigger Hammer Sear Buttstock Pistol Grip Forearm / Handguard Magazine Housing Magazine Follower Magazine Floorplate so the easiest to do would be start with rifle length and cut the barrel down after approval |
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you buy either with the plans to turn it into an SBR, what parts are we looking at for 922r compliance? Out of the sixteen below, you need 6 US made parts: Receiver Barrel Trunion Bolt Bolt Carrier Cocking Handle Trigger Housing Trigger Hammer Sear Buttstock Pistol Grip Forearm / Handguard Magazine Housing Magazine Follower Magazine Floorplate so the easiest to do would be start with rifle length and cut the barrel down after approval I would think it would be easier to start with a pistol and then change out the 1) sear 2) hammer 3) trigger 4) handguard 5) cocking handle and then one more of your choosing. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I would think it would be easier to start with a pistol and then change out the 1) sear 2) hammer 3) trigger 4) handguard 5) cocking handle and then one more of your choosing. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quoted:
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you buy either with the plans to turn it into an SBR, what parts are we looking at for 922r compliance? Out of the sixteen below, you need 6 US made parts: Receiver Barrel Trunion Bolt Bolt Carrier Cocking Handle Trigger Housing Trigger Hammer Sear Buttstock Pistol Grip Forearm / Handguard Magazine Housing Magazine Follower Magazine Floorplate so the easiest to do would be start with rifle length and cut the barrel down after approval I would think it would be easier to start with a pistol and then change out the 1) sear 2) hammer 3) trigger 4) handguard 5) cocking handle and then one more of your choosing. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile No good US made magazines? That would knock out half |
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Perhaps this should go in a separate thread ....
With respect to 922r, the wording "manufacture" confuses me. In terms of using mags, if the original SBR has a US mag (or one with a floorplate or whatever), then doesn't that fit the definition? Couldn't you then use whatever mag you want with the rifle, since it was originally "manufactured" with the required parts? |
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Perhaps this should go in a separate thread .... With respect to 922r, the wording "manufacture" confuses me. In terms of using mags, if the original SBR has a US mag (or one with a floorplate or whatever), then doesn't that fit the definition? Couldn't you then use whatever mag you want with the rifle, since it was originally "manufactured" with the required parts? That sounds like enough of a gray area for a malicious prosecutor to screw with you on. |
| I ALMOST went with the POF cause i wanted a real reverse stretch mp5. after being able to look at both in person i went with the MKE cause it looked overall a better quality. that being said, for $360 less, id prob had went with the POF for the reverse stretch....and i may get it as well to my MKE. but if it was for a "full size" then id still have went MKE |
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Wait until July when HK releases the MP5K pistol with MSRP at $2300. The MSRP is reportedly $2700, not $2300. It also doesn't have a paddle magazine release or a 3-lug barrel. By the time you add those, it's another $1400. For the low, low price of $4,100 you are NOT competing against POF and MKE, you're competing against the U.S. small builders. And you're still losing against them, because a TPM K-PDW has a lower that costs an extra $450 and a stock that costs an extra $130, yet still only costs $3,550. And it's already 922r compliant. So that HK, by the time you get it configured the same as a TPM, is going to cost ~$4780. Fuck all of that. |
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The MSRP is reportedly $2700, not $2300. It also doesn't have a paddle magazine release or a 3-lug barrel. By the time you add those, it's another $1400. For the low, low price of $4,100 you are NOT competing against POF and MKE, you're competing against the U.S. small builders. And you're still losing against them, because a TPM K-PDW has a lower that costs an extra $450 and a stock that costs an extra $130, yet still only costs $3,550. And it's already 922r compliant. So that HK, by the time you get it configured the same as a TPM, is going to cost ~$4780. Fuck all of that. Quoted:
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Wait until July when HK releases the MP5K pistol with MSRP at $2300. The MSRP is reportedly $2700, not $2300. It also doesn't have a paddle magazine release or a 3-lug barrel. By the time you add those, it's another $1400. For the low, low price of $4,100 you are NOT competing against POF and MKE, you're competing against the U.S. small builders. And you're still losing against them, because a TPM K-PDW has a lower that costs an extra $450 and a stock that costs an extra $130, yet still only costs $3,550. And it's already 922r compliant. So that HK, by the time you get it configured the same as a TPM, is going to cost ~$4780. Fuck all of that. Numbers don't lie here. But you know some people Will shell out the cash to have one that is "legit HK bro" |
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The MSRP is reportedly $2700, not $2300. It also doesn't have a paddle magazine release or a 3-lug barrel. By the time you add those, it's another $1400. For the low, low price of $4,100 you are NOT competing against POF and MKE, you're competing against the U.S. small builders. And you're still losing against them, because a TPM K-PDW has a lower that costs an extra $450 and a stock that costs an extra $130, yet still only costs $3,550. And it's already 922r compliant. So that HK, by the time you get it configured the same as a TPM, is going to cost ~$4780. Fuck all of that. Quoted:
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Wait until July when HK releases the MP5K pistol with MSRP at $2300. The MSRP is reportedly $2700, not $2300. It also doesn't have a paddle magazine release or a 3-lug barrel. By the time you add those, it's another $1400. For the low, low price of $4,100 you are NOT competing against POF and MKE, you're competing against the U.S. small builders. And you're still losing against them, because a TPM K-PDW has a lower that costs an extra $450 and a stock that costs an extra $130, yet still only costs $3,550. And it's already 922r compliant. So that HK, by the time you get it configured the same as a TPM, is going to cost ~$4780. Fuck all of that. I can't wait for my tpm K to clear! 
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Wait until July when HK releases the MP5K pistol with MSRP at $2300. The MSRP is reportedly $2700, not $2300. It also doesn't have a paddle magazine release or a 3-lug barrel. By the time you add those, it's another $1400. For the low, low price of $4,100 you are NOT competing against POF and MKE, you're competing against the U.S. small builders. And you're still losing against them, because a TPM K-PDW has a lower that costs an extra $450 and a stock that costs an extra $130, yet still only costs $3,550. And it's already 922r compliant. So that HK, by the time you get it configured the same as a TPM, is going to cost ~$4780. Fuck all of that. I can't wait for my tpm K to clear! You're going to love it. I know I'm going to love my TPM SD. 
I also like that I'm now 15 minutes from TPM. Having "Carrollton, TX" engraved on the magwell is pretty cool to me. |
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The MSRP is reportedly $2700, not $2300. It also doesn't have a paddle magazine release or a 3-lug barrel. By the time you add those, it's another $1400. For the low, low price of $4,100 you are NOT competing against POF and MKE, you're competing against the U.S. small builders. And you're still losing against them, because a TPM K-PDW has a lower that costs an extra $450 and a stock that costs an extra $130, yet still only costs $3,550. And it's already 922r compliant. So that HK, by the time you get it configured the same as a TPM, is going to cost ~$4780. Fuck all of that. Quoted:
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Wait until July when HK releases the MP5K pistol with MSRP at $2300. The MSRP is reportedly $2700, not $2300. It also doesn't have a paddle magazine release or a 3-lug barrel. By the time you add those, it's another $1400. For the low, low price of $4,100 you are NOT competing against POF and MKE, you're competing against the U.S. small builders. And you're still losing against them, because a TPM K-PDW has a lower that costs an extra $450 and a stock that costs an extra $130, yet still only costs $3,550. And it's already 922r compliant. So that HK, by the time you get it configured the same as a TPM, is going to cost ~$4780. Fuck all of that. Personal preference. Retail is $2700 I was repeating what the HK rep said LGS prices would run. made a mistake in my original post 
Just like I think its stupid to have a truck that isn't 4X4. Opinions are like assholes. |
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Personal preference. Retail is $2700 I was repeating what the HK rep said LGS prices would run. made a mistake in my original post
Just like I think its stupid to have a truck that isn't 4X4. Opinions are like assholes. Quoted:
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Wait until July when HK releases the MP5K pistol with MSRP at $2300. The MSRP is reportedly $2700, not $2300. It also doesn't have a paddle magazine release or a 3-lug barrel. By the time you add those, it's another $1400. For the low, low price of $4,100 you are NOT competing against POF and MKE, you're competing against the U.S. small builders. And you're still losing against them, because a TPM K-PDW has a lower that costs an extra $450 and a stock that costs an extra $130, yet still only costs $3,550. And it's already 922r compliant. So that HK, by the time you get it configured the same as a TPM, is going to cost ~$4780. Fuck all of that. Personal preference. Retail is $2700 I was repeating what the HK rep said LGS prices would run. made a mistake in my original post
Just like I think its stupid to have a truck that isn't 4X4. Opinions are like assholes. Lighten up, Francis. It's not an opinion, the MSRP is $400 more than what you said. And everything else is just numbers.
I know people will buy the "real" HK for all their various reasons. The more the merrier. |
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Lighten up, Francis. It's not an opinion, the MSRP is $400 more than what you said. And everything else is just numbers.
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Wait until July when HK releases the MP5K pistol with MSRP at $2300. The MSRP is reportedly $2700, not $2300. It also doesn't have a paddle magazine release or a 3-lug barrel. By the time you add those, it's another $1400. For the low, low price of $4,100 you are NOT competing against POF and MKE, you're competing against the U.S. small builders. And you're still losing against them, because a TPM K-PDW has a lower that costs an extra $450 and a stock that costs an extra $130, yet still only costs $3,550. And it's already 922r compliant. So that HK, by the time you get it configured the same as a TPM, is going to cost ~$4780. Fuck all of that. Personal preference. Retail is $2700 I was repeating what the HK rep said LGS prices would run. made a mistake in my original post
Just like I think its stupid to have a truck that isn't 4X4. Opinions are like assholes. Lighten up, Francis. It's not an opinion, the MSRP is $400 more than what you said. And everything else is just numbers.
I know people will buy the "real" HK for all their various reasons. The more the merrier. Not upset at all. Like I said, it's YOUR opinion. You were the one that stated yours. I I already have what I want from the clone world. For the $ I'm sure you won't see HK's going back for numerous problems, unless you have one built by a quality builder. Sorry to ruffle your feathers. |
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Not upset at all. Like I said, it's YOUR opinion. You were the one that stated yours. I I already have what I want from the clone world. For the $ I'm sure you won't see HK's going back for numerous problems, unless you have one built by a quality builder. Sorry to ruffle your feathers. Quoted:
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Wait until July when HK releases the MP5K pistol with MSRP at $2300. The MSRP is reportedly $2700, not $2300. It also doesn't have a paddle magazine release or a 3-lug barrel. By the time you add those, it's another $1400. For the low, low price of $4,100 you are NOT competing against POF and MKE, you're competing against the U.S. small builders. And you're still losing against them, because a TPM K-PDW has a lower that costs an extra $450 and a stock that costs an extra $130, yet still only costs $3,550. And it's already 922r compliant. So that HK, by the time you get it configured the same as a TPM, is going to cost ~$4780. Fuck all of that. Personal preference. Retail is $2700 I was repeating what the HK rep said LGS prices would run. made a mistake in my original post
Just like I think its stupid to have a truck that isn't 4X4. Opinions are like assholes. Lighten up, Francis. It's not an opinion, the MSRP is $400 more than what you said. And everything else is just numbers.
I know people will buy the "real" HK for all their various reasons. The more the merrier. Not upset at all. Like I said, it's YOUR opinion. You were the one that stated yours. I I already have what I want from the clone world. For the $ I'm sure you won't see HK's going back for numerous problems, unless you have one built by a quality builder. Sorry to ruffle your feathers. What the hell are you talking about? What opinion? That a $4100 HK isn't competing with a $1675 similarly equipped MKE? You've thoroughly confused me... |
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