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1/18/2011 5:30:07 PM EDT
Anyone know any good books on the history of the Roller locking system?
1/19/2011 6:27:24 AM EDT
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Anyone know any good books on the history of the Roller locking system?


Are you really looking for what you asked about, or are you looking for the in-depth history of the G3? They aren't the same thing. Although a truly in-depth history of the G3 would go back to the history of the delayed roller locking system. Start with wikipedia to see the other guns that the G3 was based on. Then you have something else to look up for the more complete history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G3

1/19/2011 5:03:07 PM EDT
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Thanks, I'll start there.
I'm looking for info as to where it all started, I think it was Walter back in WWII.
1/19/2011 6:09:49 PM EDT
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Look under CETME they were the first for mass production made in Spain then someone took there ball and went to Germany and became Heckler & Koch.
1/20/2011 5:27:00 AM EDT
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Look under CETME they were the first for mass production made in Spain then someone took there ball and went to Germany and became Heckler & Koch.




That's pretty much the story. After WW2, Spain was looking for a new battle rifle, and CETME was at the forefront (CETME was the Center for Technical Studies in Spain). A lot of people feel that it is a German design, even though it was made in Spain as a project under the Ministry of Defense. A lot of the credit is attributed to a Dr. Vorgrimler, who joined CETME to work on this project after leaving a war-torn Germany. FWIW, I have contacted Spain's Ministry of Defense and raised the question about Spanish involvement in the design, and their response to me indicated that the CETME rifle was a project that was already underway when Vorgrimler arrived. I think I still have the document (their response to me) someplace on my computer.



When Germany was looking for their battle rifle, they either did not want to, or were unable to get licensing rights for the FN FAL, so they turned to CETME to obatin a license  to produce their rifle for military service. Thus, the HK G3 was "born," or perhaps more accurately, "born again."
1/21/2011 8:36:39 AM EDT
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Look under CETME they were the first for mass production made in Spain then someone took there ball and went to Germany and became Heckler & Koch.


That's pretty much the story. After WW2, Spain was looking for a new battle rifle, and CETME was at the forefront (CETME was the Center for Technical Studies in Spain). A lot of people feel that it is a German design, even though it was made in Spain as a project under the Ministry of Defense. A lot of the credit is attributed to a Dr. Vorgrimler, who joined CETME to work on this project after leaving a war-torn Germany. FWIW, I have contacted Spain's Ministry of Defense and raised the question about Spanish involvement in the design, and their response to me indicated that the CETME rifle was a project that was already underway when Vorgrimler arrived. I think I still have the document (their response to me) someplace on my computer.

When Germany was looking for their battle rifle, they either did not want to, or were unable to get licensing rights for the FN FAL, so they turned to CETME to obatin a license  to produce their rifle for military service. Thus, the HK G3 was "born," or perhaps more accurately, "born again."


I was under the impression that the Cetme was simply a continuation of the StG-45 that Germany produced in the last weeks of the war. Something like a few dozen plus some of the engineers responsible ended up going to Spain after the war and developed the StG-45 into the Cetme, which went on to become the G3. However, this is simply what I am remembering, and it may be incorrect and if so, I'm sure someone will come along and let me know
1/23/2011 7:39:37 AM EDT
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I was under the impression that the Cetme was simply a continuation of the StG-45 that Germany produced in the last weeks of the war. Something like a few dozen plus some of the engineers responsible ended up going to Spain after the war and developed the StG-45 into the Cetme, which went on to become the G3. However, this is simply what I am remembering, and it may be incorrect and if so, I'm sure someone will come along and let me know


In the letter I received from Spain's Ministry of Defense, they claimed that the CETME was not a direct relative of any STG series rifle. I'm not going to argue it one way or another, that's just what they said. I'll have to dig around and see if I have the letter on hand...



 
1/24/2011 1:32:42 PM EDT
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http://www.collectorgrade.com/bookshelf8.html
This is the best book on the subject bar none.
1/24/2011 3:14:51 PM EDT
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http://www.collectorgrade.com/bookshelf8.html
This is the best book on the subject bar none.


Hell Yeah!
Thanks

1/27/2011 1:38:24 AM EDT
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http://www.collectorgrade.com/bookshelf8.html

This is the best book on the subject bar none.
+1 it's a great book!





 
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