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Posted: 6/17/2009 2:22:16 PM EDT
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I picked up a SL8 and will be converting it to a G36K or C. Has anyone ever done this and if so what are your experiences, likes and dislikes?
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Get ready to spend some money I spent much more then I thought I would. But mine is now done and I am very happy with it.
http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww145/liquidcalm/HKs.jpg Some eye candy to inspire you on your build!  all HK's in the photo 94's SBR paperwork should be back next month, then I'll SBR the UMP.
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The SL-8 will be converted from a demil'ed G36k so that will be plastic welded, filled and laser engraved so that all the marking match. From what I have seen it is labor intensive though and its not something I want to tackle so I will let the experienced do it. LOL
As far as the UMP the person that is doing the conversion has pointed me to the websites to buy the alum stock block, folding stock and lower. How either firearm is actually built and finished I haven't the slightest idea but I do know he does good work and the guys on the hkpro forum recommend him highly. I am REALLY looking forward to having them completed, it is expensive but in the long run i believe it's worth it for my own personal collection. Since I cant own a real one I will settle for a quality built clone. Col_K & Liquid - Can I ask who did you conversions? Ken |
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The SL-8 will be converted from a demil'ed G36k so that will be plastic welded, filled and laser engraved so that all the marking match. From what I have seen it is labor intensive though and its not something I want to tackle so I will let the experienced do it. LOL As far as the UMP the person that is doing the conversion has pointed me to the websites to buy the alum stock block, folding stock and lower. How either firearm is actually built and finished I haven't the slightest idea but I do know he does good work and the guys on the hkpro forum recommend him highly. I am REALLY looking forward to having them completed, it is expensive but in the long run i believe it's worth it for my own personal collection. Since I cant own a real one I will settle for a quality built clone. Col_K & Liquid - Can I ask who did you conversions? Ken I used HDPS stock blocks on both the UMP and G36. I did all the work myself changing out the barrel, stock and fire control groups. I like the HDPS stock blocks becaus I can convert them back if I ever need to. I will use Chopstix kid on HK Pro to fill the hole in the recever left from fitting the G36 Mag well (once he is taking new work). I am not going to do a permant mod to the rear of the recever. It has been a lot of fun getting all the parts and doing the work. Finding the original G36K barrel was tricky and I wanted the dual carry handel optic but I could not find one. You will have fun building it and you will not see many at the range, thats for sure. |
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Here is mine I used HDPS's US made parts to be 922r compliant. I used HDPS's stock block and ordered most of the parts from Adam at www.hkparts.net
I love this thing. I have around $3800 in the project. I just used the AR-15 mag well conversion. I dropped the SL8 trigger group in this housing. 
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c108/01coltcolt/G36K004-1.jpg http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c108/01coltcolt/G36K001-2.jpg http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c108/01coltcolt/HK003-2.jpg http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c108/01coltcolt/HK002.jpg |
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I have my SL8 conversion back from Tom Bostic... and omg I love this thing. It only took him a couple days to complete... I have jut been too lazy to take pics and post them (and I have been having too much fun with it). I have to say this conversion was masterfully constructed with every detail taken into consideration. Tom even had the receiver engraved to match the real G36 markings and even added the XM8 style bolt release. I have the G36K Barrel for it but I had Tom cut down the SL8 to 16 inches and then add the flash hider. I shoot at distances over 150 yards so the K barrel doesn't do much for me at those ranges so the gun in this version is closer to the G36E model. Tom's lines are flawless and he even added the ledge to hold the stock in the folded position. If anyone would like his contact information I could forward you the info. Here are some pics (I know, I know I need to clean it.........................) Comments welcome! http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x306/krwunlv/Guns/G36/DSCN5346.jpg http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x306/krwunlv/Guns/G36/DSCN5342.jpg http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x306/krwunlv/Guns/G36/DSCN5343.jpg http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x306/krwunlv/Guns/G36/DSCN5345.jpg http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x306/krwunlv/Guns/G36/DSCN5348.jpg |
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I have my SL8 conversion back from Tom Bostic... and omg I love this thing. It only took him a couple days to complete... I have jut been too lazy to take pics and post them (and I have been having too much fun with it). I have to say this conversion was masterfully constructed with every detail taken into consideration. Tom even had the receiver engraved to match the real G36 markings and even added the XM8 style bolt release. I have the G36K Barrel for it but I had Tom cut down the SL8 to 16 inches and then add the flash hider. I shoot at distances over 150 yards so the K barrel doesn't do much for me at those ranges so the gun in this version is closer to the G36E model. Tom's lines are flawless and he even added the ledge to hold the stock in the folded position. If anyone would like his contact information I could forward you the info. Here are some pics (I know, I know I need to clean it.........................) Comments welcome! Very nice! How much did the conversion cost? |
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On the second to last pic, right near the center of the pic, does it say "Heckler and Kock"? It really looks like it in that pic if it doesn't. ETA: Right under "Kal. 5,56mmx45" YES! LOL It was a typo that I thought was too freaking funny to fix. When we saw it he was going to fill it back in and have the engraver do it over but I declined. Without a full auto sear its a big shiny cock or "kock" with no balls, so its fitting. Good eye sir!!!!!!!! |
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I have around $3800 in the project. All that money and you feed it cheap Wolf ammo? 
I never sling the expensive stuff at targets unless its comming from a bolt gun....................Don't know where you live at but in this neck of the woods even Wolf is getting pricey 
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The Kock rocks, Sir.
Could coin the term "Rock out with your Kock out!" for daymn sure I am picking up my UMP tonight actually. I got the K barrel when I bought the kit from Phil Flack PF Custom Guns. Great guy to deal with. |
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The Kock rocks, Sir.
Could coin the term "Rock out with your Kock out!" for daymn sure I am picking up my UMP tonight actually. I got the K barrel when I bought the kit from Phil Flack PF Custom Guns. Great guy to deal with. Please post pics of you USC to UMP conversion!! I'm getting really close to finishing mine. Congrats! ARKAR |
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I have around $3800 in the project. All that money and you feed it cheap Wolf ammo?
Who cares what he feeds his rifle? Maybe it's just range ammo. There are guys who run Wolf through their $20k+ MG's without any worry.....go troll in the MO forum. |
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Who cares what he feeds his rifle? Maybe it's just range ammo. There are guys who run Wolf through their $20k+ MG's without any worry.....go troll in the MO forum. Anybody with at least half a brain knows that steel cases and fluted HK chambers do not mix well. Grow up. 
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Who cares what he feeds his rifle? Maybe it's just range ammo. There are guys who run Wolf through their $20k+ MG's without any worry.....go troll in the MO forum. Anybody with at least half a brain knows that steel cases and fluted HK chambers do not mix well. Grow up.
Hold on here a minute... Lots of guys here and on the HKPro forum feed clones and real HKs with Wolf steel-cased ammo. Coharie Arms actually recommends Wolf ammo if I remember correctly. And I wasn't aware that the G36 had a fluted chamber, does it? ARKAR |
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Okay, you may have me as I'm not that familiar with the newer "plastic" HK guns such as the G36 or SL8 and they may indeed not have fluted chambers since they are not of the roller-delayed blowback design. However I have been on HKPro a long time and the general concensus over there is to not feed high dollar HK guns with fluted chambers cheap ammo such as the Wolf steel cased stuff. It is a recipe for disaster for a weapon system that was specifically designed around brass-cased ammo, such as were the HK guns with fluted chambers.
I apologize for dragging us so far off topic, but I just hate to see a guy spend that amount of money building a REALLY nice rifle and then feed it junk ammo. They are some REALLY nice looking rifles BTW.
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Who cares what he feeds his rifle? Maybe it's just range ammo. There are guys who run Wolf through their $20k+ MG's without any worry.....go troll in the MO forum. Anybody with at least half a brain knows that steel cases and fluted HK chambers do not mix well. Grow up.
You were trolling and knocking a guy's set-up for no reason. Since your the HK guru, let's see your HK collection. Do you airsoft much? Eric in his high-speed, low-drag gear. |
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Okay, you may have me as I'm not that familiar with the newer "plastic" HK guns such as the G36 or SL8 and they may indeed not have fluted chambers since they are not of the roller-delayed blowback design. However I have been on HKPro a long time and the general concensus over there is to not feed high dollar HK guns with fluted chambers cheap ammo such as the Wolf steel cased stuff. It is a recipe for disaster for a weapon system that was specifically designed around brass-cased ammo, such as were the HK guns with fluted chambers. I apologize for dragging us so far off topic, but I just hate to see a guy spend that amount of money building a REALLY nice rifle and then feed it junk ammo. They are some REALLY nice looking rifles BTW. He is right. I have lots of HK guns and the only two I feed wolf at the range is the UMP and G36. They both eat it like candy. But the MP5/ MP5K and HK53 platforms have FTF/FTE issues with the steel casings. I feed the MP5s WWB 9mm and have zero issues. WWB is about as cheap as I can go with those. Blaser with Aluninum cases get all jacked up. I fired Wolf in my HK53 (Vector 53) once. When the chamber got hot it failed to eject and the case was logded in the breach. It took 2 day with Breakfree in the barrel to bust it loose.............................................. http://glocktalk.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=425&pictureid=1593 |
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Okay, you may have me as I'm not that familiar with the newer "plastic" HK guns such as the G36 or SL8 and they may indeed not have fluted chambers since they are not of the roller-delayed blowback design. However I have been on HKPro a long time and the general concensus over there is to not feed high dollar HK guns with fluted chambers cheap ammo such as the Wolf steel cased stuff. It is a recipe for disaster for a weapon system that was specifically designed around brass-cased ammo, such as were the HK guns with fluted chambers. I apologize for dragging us so far off topic, but I just hate to see a guy spend that amount of money building a REALLY nice rifle and then feed it junk ammo. They are some REALLY nice looking rifles BTW. He is right. I have lots of HK guns and the only two I feed wolf at the range is the UMP and G36. They both eat it like candy. But the MP5/ MP5K and HK53 platforms have FTF/FTE issues with the steel casings. I feed the MP5s WWB 9mm and have zero issues. WWB is about as cheap as I can go with those. Blaser with Aluninum cases get all jacked up. I fired Wolf in my HK53 (Vector 53) once. When the chamber got hot it failed to eject and the case was logded in the breach. It took 2 day with Breakfree in the barrel to bust it loose.............................................. http://glocktalk.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=425&pictureid=1593 Good looking family you got there....... |
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I have my SL8 conversion back from Tom Bostic... and omg I love this thing. It only took him a couple days to complete... I have jut been too lazy to take pics and post them (and I have been having too much fun with it). I have to say this conversion was masterfully constructed with every detail taken into consideration. Tom even had the receiver engraved to match the real G36 markings and even added the XM8 style bolt release. I have the G36K Barrel for it but I had Tom cut down the SL8 to 16 inches and then add the flash hider. I shoot at distances over 150 yards so the K barrel doesn't do much for me at those ranges so the gun in this version is closer to the G36E model. Tom's lines are flawless and he even added the ledge to hold the stock in the folded position. If anyone would like his contact information I could forward you the info. Here are some pics (I know, I know I need to clean it.........................) Comments welcome! http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x306/krwunlv/Guns/G36/DSCN5346.jpg http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x306/krwunlv/Guns/G36/DSCN5342.jpg http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x306/krwunlv/Guns/G36/DSCN5343.jpg http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x306/krwunlv/Guns/G36/DSCN5345.jpg http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x306/krwunlv/Guns/G36/DSCN5348.jpg Hmmm, I wonder why HK doesn't sue the shit out of companies and individuals using their trademarks on copies of their goods? |
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I have my SL8 conversion back from Tom Bostic... and omg I love this thing. It only took him a couple days to complete... I have jut been too lazy to take pics and post them (and I have been having too much fun with it). I have to say this conversion was masterfully constructed with every detail taken into consideration. Tom even had the receiver engraved to match the real G36 markings and even added the XM8 style bolt release. I have the G36K Barrel for it but I had Tom cut down the SL8 to 16 inches and then add the flash hider. I shoot at distances over 150 yards so the K barrel doesn't do much for me at those ranges so the gun in this version is closer to the G36E model. Tom's lines are flawless and he even added the ledge to hold the stock in the folded position. If anyone would like his contact information I could forward you the info. Here are some pics (I know, I know I need to clean it.........................) Comments welcome! Hmmm, I wonder why HK doesn't sue the shit out of companies and individuals using their trademarks on copies of their goods? I am guessing b/c its all HK and not knock off parts. The process involves filling and sanding which covers the factory markings so the laser engraving simply restores the markings with the added G36 marking. |
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Hmmm, I wonder why HK doesn't sue the shit out of companies and individuals using their trademarks on copies of their goods? Are you kidding? In addition to the world's worst customer service to compliment their complete lack of caring about their customers' wishes, HK is the most sue-happy gun company evar.  Since their patents ran out long ago, they generally try to sue on the basis of "trade dress violation".  Total BS IMO.
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Hmmm, I wonder why HK doesn't sue the shit out of companies and individuals using their trademarks on copies of their goods? Are you kidding? In addition to the world's worst customer service to compliment their complete lack of caring about their customers' wishes, HK is the most sue-happy gun company evar. Since their patents ran out long ago, they generally try to sue on the basis of "trade dress violation". Total BS IMO.
Somebody at HKPro asked HK about that and apparently the lawsuits are connected to HK introducing .22 LR versions of the MP5, MP7, and something else here in the states. |
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Hmmm, I wonder why HK doesn't sue the shit out of companies and individuals using their trademarks on copies of their goods? Are you kidding? In addition to the world's worst customer service to compliment their complete lack of caring about their customers' wishes, HK is the most sue-happy gun company evar. Since their patents ran out long ago, they generally try to sue on the basis of "trade dress violation". Total BS IMO.
Somebody at HKPro asked HK about that and apparently the lawsuits are connected to HK introducing .22 LR versions of the MP5, MP7, and something else here in the states. Interesting. I would imagine that a user/seller applying "HK G36" to another HK product, such as an SL8, would also be a trademark violation. |
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Same with DocRak rail and C hand guard. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/hepcat85/G36/G36_March2009009_RailprofileCforwar.jpg Drop me an PM or e-mail. HC That's a "K" handguard.
I love my G36 and my UMP. I'm going to send off my G36 to either Chopstix Kid or TBostic when I get the cash for it. I did everything myself on it except for the barrel work. For that I sent it off to HDPS and had Ed go as short as I could while leaving the barrel behind the gas block in its heavy config. This way the heavy gas block doesn't mess with the barrel harmonics so much. 
And I don't have a current pic of my UMP since it's out getting some work done, but here's my mock up of what it'll look like when it's done: 
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Nice.......why are you trying to sell it?
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Anyone looking to buy one? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/hepcat85/G36/DSC01255.jpg Same rifle with the DocRak rail w/ factory sights. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/hepcat85/G36/G36_March2009006_Railprofilelongfor.jpg Same with DocRak rail and C hand guard. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/hepcat85/G36/G36_March2009009_RailprofileCforwar.jpg Drop me an PM or e-mail. HC |
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very nice G36 conversion!
I remember the original couple conversions where G36 receiver portions were added to SL8's to give the correct LOP and folding mech. Its nice to see that this has become more common!
ETA irkuzk, Tom Bostic hangs out on the HK pro forums, his screen name is ' tbostic ' you can see his HKpro public profile here: http://hkpro.com/forum/member.php?u=4266 You may need to make an account to message him though. makes some really neat mods
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| I'm going to be having either Chopsticks or Tbostic do a 36C or maybe K for me in the near future. I just rolled my own UMP conversion and it came out 100%. I really ended up liking it a lot more than I thought I would. As far as the ammo issue is concerned, I've run about 5k rounds of S&B steel case through my Bobcat SBR and MP5SD with nary a hiccup, they seem to love it. That said, I've become quite a believer in the steel case stuff. Maybe Wolf isn't the best, but the S&B runs as good or better than most brass case stuff. ––ST |
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A lot of these G36 clones look like they have horrendously long and incorrect LOPs. Have anyone solved this problem yet? On mine I just used a G36C stock and now it's perfect if I'm not wearing any gear. Others have used M4 stock adapters while others have found reproduction factory HK collapsible stocks. But I still think the best way to do a Chopstix Kid or TBostic conversion. |
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A lot of these G36 clones look like they have horrendously long and incorrect LOPs. Have anyone solved this problem yet? yes. the way that the newest conversions are done, is to chop the entire back of the SL8 receiver off, and plastic-weld a G36 receiver end onto it. I think the conversions also use some steel bolted rails to re-enforce it. It gives you the LOOK of a factory G36 receiver, but the internals of an SL8 to prevent it from being considered a machine gun. FWIW, there may still be some ATF controversy over it, I haven't looked into it recently so it may be okay.... The problem is, you need to cut off the serial number of the SL8, although from what I remember, you fill out a form-1 for it, and then make your own serial number. you then become the pseudo "manufacturer" of the gun, and the original serial number can be removed. If you want it out of te NFA registry, then make sure your 922r components are good, make sure the barrel is over 16 inches, and you can remove it (since it wouldn't be SBR or DD) Like I said, Its been a looong time since I read into the full conversion for it, but IIRC that it how it goes. ETA It looks like on Villainous350z's SL8/G36 conversion that the SL8 serial number wasn't removed, so I guess they found a way to integrate it without removing it. interesting. |
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A lot of these G36 clones look like they have horrendously long and incorrect LOPs. Have anyone solved this problem yet? yes. the way that the newest conversions are done, is to chop the entire back of the SL8 receiver off, and plastic-weld a G36 receiver end onto it. I think the conversions also use some steel bolted rails to re-enforce it. It gives you the LOOK of a factory G36 receiver, but the internals of an SL8 to prevent it from being considered a machine gun. FWIW, there may still be some ATF controversy over it, I haven't looked into it recently so it may be okay.... The problem is, you need to cut off the serial number of the SL8, although from what I remember, you fill out a form-1 for it, and then make your own serial number. you then become the pseudo "manufacturer" of the gun, and the original serial number can be removed. If you want it out of te NFA registry, then make sure your 922r components are good, make sure the barrel is over 16 inches, and you can remove it (since it wouldn't be SBR or DD) Like I said, Its been a looong time since I read into the full conversion for it, but IIRC that it how it goes. ETA It looks like on Villainous350z's SL8/G36 conversion that the SL8 serial number wasn't removed, so I guess they found a way to integrate it without removing it. interesting. Chopstix Kid conversions do not remove the original serial number. The ATF was alright with filing a Form 1 and moving the serial number at the beginning but now they're saying that it's illegal to do so with or without filing a Form 1. |
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A lot of these G36 clones look like they have horrendously long and incorrect LOPs. Have anyone solved this problem yet? yes. the way that the newest conversions are done, is to chop the entire back of the SL8 receiver off, and plastic-weld a G36 receiver end onto it. I think the conversions also use some steel bolted rails to re-enforce it. It gives you the LOOK of a factory G36 receiver, but the internals of an SL8 to prevent it from being considered a machine gun. FWIW, there may still be some ATF controversy over it, I haven't looked into it recently so it may be okay.... The problem is, you need to cut off the serial number of the SL8, although from what I remember, you fill out a form-1 for it, and then make your own serial number. you then become the pseudo "manufacturer" of the gun, and the original serial number can be removed. If you want it out of te NFA registry, then make sure your 922r components are good, make sure the barrel is over 16 inches, and you can remove it (since it wouldn't be SBR or DD) Like I said, Its been a looong time since I read into the full conversion for it, but IIRC that it how it goes. ETA It looks like on Villainous350z's SL8/G36 conversion that the SL8 serial number wasn't removed, so I guess they found a way to integrate it without removing it. interesting. Chopstix Kid conversions do not remove the original serial number. The ATF was alright with filing a Form 1 and moving the serial number at the beginning but now they're saying that it's illegal to do so with or without filing a Form 1. yep I saw that when I went back to check it out. really slick hiding it just under the sling loop too
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