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Posted: 5/15/2009 2:23:16 PM EDT
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last year i was asking about the ptr91 and got sidetracked. i'm tossing around the idea of getting one again and choosing between it and an ak,fal or 3rd ar15. not sure yet which one. if i get the ptr91 which would you suggest for 0-200 yd shooting. i'm a skinny guy and was wondering if the 18'' bbl ptr91f would be too front heavy. so 18", 16" or the 16" squad carbine? which would you hk experts suggest for me?
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Having a AK, an AR and a PTR 91, i can honestly say if you have a AR already ( or a few) go for the PTR. I absolutely love this rifle, so much to the point a few months agdo i traded it for an M1a and decided to trade again to get it back. the AK and AR feel like toys after shooting the PTR. I may fire off a magazine from the other two each range session, but i keep loading the PTR. the kick is a hoot, it is extremely accurate. there are so many HK specific goodies to add. I disagree with the previous poster and would take the PTR for 200 and further without thought. as far as choice of model, i would go the standard. if you want to add a wide forearm. the full size is so easy to find. plus it has the G3 nostalgia. people like short barrels so much that it starts to bore me. the gun is a battle rifle, and a carbine as an after thought.
the only down fall against the other two is ammo price. i justify it by joy factor |
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if you need pictures of mine in stages of build, ill post them. i do have to add i am slightly biased due to the fact i had a true 91 back in the 80's, and love the platform. but i would also say i would place the PTR as fine as the original...barrel accuracy better.
also forgot to add, i am a skinny guy too.  just do a wikepedia search of the countries that use or have used the G3. if some of those runts in those countries can hold it up, so can you. it feels no more front heave (if that) as my M1 Garand. that rifle won a war
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| would you recommend the triangle hand guards? i hear the metal ones it comes with get hot. i also hear silver bear and wolf are ok. true? .308 is expensive which is the only thing holding me back. i dont use that ammo in my ars but if its fine in the ptr91 it makes the ammo prices more manageable. i'd love to see pics. |
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would you recommend the triangle hand guards? i hear the metal ones it comes with get hot. i also hear silver bear and wolf are ok. true? .308 is expensive which is the only thing holding me back. i dont use that ammo in my ars but if its fine in the ptr91 it makes the ammo prices more manageable. i'd love to see pics. stock PTR forearms stink (IMHO). mine is a newer rifle, but the last of them carrying the thin G3 foream from the factory. for some reason they deemed it not needed to use a heat shield. it got hot quick! i hear the same on the new aluminum ones. the HK wide is the wtg. g3 thin hanguards with the shielding are cheap and give another alternative look. as far as ammo, i have heard issues of certain ammo causing trouble but mostly only on new rifles. mine shucks everything. as far as steel case ammo, they work absolutley fine in the rifle. I find no difference when using wolf or barnaul or anything brass. as fa r as pics...here you go. out of box 
added A3 stock 
added wide forearm. (flash made colors funny) 
added case buffer cary handle and bipod...and G3 lower 
bayonet and adapter 
as she sits 
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| i have 2 AR's an AK and a PTR91 with 16 inch barrel.... the PTR is quite heavier then all of them but not so much that its hard to fire... im 185 and 5'11 and i have no problems with it...the recoil is VERY VERY smooth.. whats bad about it is muzzle rise.. the PTR gives you a smooth push while the AK and AR are a very sharp fast punch [not a bad one but you can feel the difference firing them] I actualy perfer the recoil of the PTR with sidefolder to my AK with sidefolder as its just smoother but like i said the muzzle comes of target alot more then the others. for 200 yards the 16-18 inch barrel isnt going to make much of a difference with the PTR other then alittle less weight, you should get the same accuracy...my votes for the PTR, its one hell of a rifle and if you ever need it past 200 yards it can reach out and touch someone or be used to give suppressive fire at longer ranges.. |
| thanks guys. i'm really thinking i will get one now. i have my dealer getting me a price on the 16 and 18 inch and will decide from there. they are cheaper than i thought. mags are soooo cheap too. i'm a fan of carbines and have been leaning 16" but the 18" looks sexy. since i'm in NY i can't have a FH. would you recommend the comp ptr offers or just a bbl with no muzzle device? since it's got some muzzle rise i was thinking a comp would be nice even though they are loud. |
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i think i'll not get the bipod anyway. maybe later. FWIW... If and when you do decide to get a bipod - skip the HK unit and get a Harris - far superior. true, it is far superior, but... it doesnt fit a forearm without moding to fit a mount. when folded will not fit flush to the forearm like a factory unit. personally i love the factory unit for what it is. if i was building a sniper PSG id go harris, but for a work horse battle rifle the factory unit is all you need. |
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I gotta charm in on this one, guys. A few years or so back I bought a Century built CETME/G3. What an unequivocal piece of shit that gun was. It was every bit as sloppy of a build as everything else I've since heard and seen from Century and I refuse to buy anything with their stamp on it, regardless of what some might tell me of theirs running with no problem. I traded it after several range visits for a Bulgarian AK-74 that I had configured into a traingle side-folder/AKS-74 copy. It's my second AK and the thing is a peach (needless to say, I had to fork over some money on top of the deal).
The completely sub-standard quality of the CETME copy I bought pretty much spoiled me from wanting to buy another G3 for a while but I'm still a big fan of the G3 series of weapons and, of course, a big fan of HK's products through the years (although, some of their business practices over the past few years have really left me cold). I'd love to have an HK-91 but just can't seem to get past paying $2500-$3000 for one. I've thought about the PTR line from JLD Enterprises but the only ones I've ever seen was the slender forearm, which I hated on my rifle. I've got big hands and always thought the slender forearm was far too, well, slender. A few posters on this thread have mentioned that the PTR-91 can be outfitted with a wide (aka "beavertail") forearm. I had heard this wasn't possible on my CETME copy without a little receiver work being done. Is this actually possible to drop a wide forearm right in there without machining or gunsmithing anything? If this is the case, hell, I may have to break down and buy another one. I'd love to have a G3 copy with a telestock in a standard configuration. I just can't deal with having that narrow forearm, as petty as it sounds. Also, are HK parts compatible with one? As in, could I drop an HK lower receiver group or HK stock if I wanted to? |
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A few posters on this thread have mentioned that the PTR-91 can be outfitted with a wide (aka "beavertail") forearm. I had heard this wasn't possible on my CETME copy without a little receiver work being done. Is this actually possible to drop a wide forearm right in there without machining or gunsmithing anything? If this is the case, hell, I may have to break down and buy another one. I'd love to have a G3 copy with a telestock in a standard configuration. I just can't deal with having that narrow forearm, as petty as it sounds. Also, are HK parts compatible with one? As in, could I drop an HK lower receiver group or HK stock if I wanted to? The HK wide fore-arm will fit with no mods. I swapped mine out in less than 30 seconds. |
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A few posters on this thread have mentioned that the PTR-91 can be outfitted with a wide (aka "beavertail") forearm. I had heard this wasn't possible on my CETME copy without a little receiver work being done. Is this actually possible to drop a wide forearm right in there without machining or gunsmithing anything? If this is the case, hell, I may have to break down and buy another one. I'd love to have a G3 copy with a telestock in a standard configuration. I just can't deal with having that narrow forearm, as petty as it sounds. Also, are HK parts compatible with one? As in, could I drop an HK lower receiver group or HK stock if I wanted to? +1 to what the person above me replied. no work needed. you can take 15 seconds with a file to allow it to slip over the heavy barrel easier, but is not needed. it just makes removal easier. I may be selling miy PTR package  for some reason a Sig Commando or a Robinson XCR have suddenly interested me and i cant just go out and pay cash for one. i am too damn compulsive.
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A few posters on this thread have mentioned that the PTR-91 can be outfitted with a wide (aka "beavertail") forearm. I had heard this wasn't possible on my CETME copy without a little receiver work being done. Is this actually possible to drop a wide forearm right in there without machining or gunsmithing anything? If this is the case, hell, I may have to break down and buy another one. I'd love to have a G3 copy with a telestock in a standard configuration. I just can't deal with having that narrow forearm, as petty as it sounds. Also, are HK parts compatible with one? As in, could I drop an HK lower receiver group or HK stock if I wanted to? +1 to what the person above me replied. no work needed. you can take 15 seconds with a file to allow it to slip over the heavy barrel easier, but is not needed. it just makes removal easier. I may be selling miy PTR package for some reason a Sig Commando or a Robinson XCR have suddenly interested me and i cant just go out and pay cash for one. i am too damn compulsive.But what about 922r?? I have a beaver tail forearm to put on my late model PTR. I also just ordered a collapsable stock. Am I going to get in trouble when I assemble the parts? |
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I have a PTR91 with 16" Barrel as well as an AKs, FAL, and ARs. Out of all 3 I like the PTR91 the best all around. I swapped out the standard stock for a MAGPUL PRS which made the recoil very comfortable and you can adjust it to your size. Swapped the trigger for the MSG-90 which may or may not be worth the heavy price tag but if you want to keep cost down send it for a trigger job. Threw on some rails and bought the mags from PTR91 for dirt cheap. I don't have any complaints about the aluminum handguards with the rails on. It is extremely accurate and reliable. Somebody told me that the gun would keep working no matter how dirty so I test this theory. I sent about 1,000 rounds of various types of ammo through it with zero malfunctions before I cleaned it the next time. Only time I have seen any type of feed problems is with ammo less than 165 grains that has a soft tip on it (the tip gets caught on sharp edges). All weights of FMJ have fed flawlessly.
All that being said I would get the squad carbine with 16" barrel. Comes with the welded top rail and the rails on the handguard already. Definitely go with the MAGPUL PRS stock. Mine came with an HK bolt and carrier and the more resent ones I have seen have had a different manufacturer. Both seem to work flawlessly though. 16" is more than enough for 0-200 yards. I shoot mine at person size targets up to 700 yards with the iron sights fairly effectively with a 16" barrel. Anything 200 and less is extremely easy to hit even for novice shooters with this rifle. We took some boy scouts out with little to no shooting experience and they were shooting a few of our PTRs and clanking the 200 to 300 yard targets all day long with relative ease. I can't give you an exact MOA yet but it is a tack driver. MOA test is the next test I'm doing with this gun. Only negatives for the rifle is the bolt doesn't stay open when empty and you cannot reload the brass. You can fix the second issue with a port buffer. |
i have all three as well [dont have an FAL and havnt fired one so cant say as far as that goess] but if i had to pick only one to keep it would be the PTR.. the AR and the AK's are fine weapons but to fire a PTR91 is really something  if your staying within 400-600 yards id say get the 16 inch barrel as the only downside i have found to my PTR is its pretty heavy or at least heavier then the other mentioned rifles..other then that its a fantastic rifle.. i would almost give up my P-415 for my PTR.....almost thats about the only rifle i have that edges out the PTR IMO
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