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1/14/2008 4:46:29 AM EDT
My rifle has NO bolt gap.......I know from what I've read that the solution for this is oversize rollers (+2 +4 etc) correct?   I'm ordering two sets one of +2 and one +4.    If +2 corrects my problem should I run them, or should I go ahead and add the +4 (if it still remains in spec) and would it last as long as if I had run the +2's down then went to the +4's?  After my +4's wear down....is my only recourse having the rifle rebarreled to have the barrel set back in the trunnion?    Thanks!
1/14/2008 4:51:44 AM EDT
[#1]
If the bolt gap is truely 0 then I would go with the +4's.  If that does not work you can try them with a new locking piece and that may work.  If that does not work either then you may need a new trunion.
1/14/2008 5:24:46 AM EDT
[#2]
I didn't even think about the locking piece....I'll order one of those too, thanks!
1/14/2008 7:29:58 AM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
If the bolt gap is truely 0 then I would go with the +4's.  If that does not work you can try them with a new locking piece and that may work.  If that does not work either then you may need a new trunion.

Agree.
1/14/2008 9:20:57 AM EDT
[#4]
+1 get the locling piece and +4 rollers from RTG and if that won't do it you can deal with a barrel and trunion refit.
1/14/2008 9:56:32 AM EDT
[#5]
I have +4's and locking piece on the way
1/24/2008 5:07:23 AM EDT
[#6]
Well....I changed gears a little from my plan to replace the rollers with +4's and to replace the locking piece.   On further inspection, I realized I had failed to notice that the bolt was one of the CIA ground bolts (DUH-oh), due to the fact that I had NO BOLT GAP with a GROUND BOLT, I decided I should try something more.  I found a good deal on a complete brand new original spanish bolt and carrier assembly with standard rollers.   I decided to go ahead and get it and give it a try.    

I received it the other day and popped in in my Cetme without changing out the standard rollers to see where the gap would lie.....I gave it a couple "HK slaps" and measured it at .457mm or about .018 inches!!  Sounds about perfect to me!!  Towards the upper end of the operating recommendation which should allow for a good bit of wear before I would need to pop in my +4's!   I'll go out and run a couple mags through it and check it again, but I'm pretty happy with where it sits.   I compared the new assembly to the old, the locking piece of the old definetly had a little wear, but I noticed also that the tube that leads to the cocking piece seemed a pit worn or ground.....I had heard that can give a false low bolt gap reading too, so that may have been why it showed no bolt gap with the ground bolt.  
1/29/2008 4:13:32 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
Well....I changed gears a little from my plan to replace the rollers with +4's and to replace the locking piece.   On further inspection, I realized I had failed to notice that the bolt was one of the CIA ground bolts (DUH-oh), due to the fact that I had NO BOLT GAP with a GROUND BOLT, I decided I should try something more.  I found a good deal on a complete brand new original spanish bolt and carrier assembly with standard rollers.   I decided to go ahead and get it and give it a try.    

I received it the other day and popped in in my Cetme without changing out the standard rollers to see where the gap would lie.....I gave it a couple "HK slaps" and measured it at .457mm or about .018 inches!!  Sounds about perfect to me!!  Towards the upper end of the operating recommendation which should allow for a good bit of wear before I would need to pop in my +4's!   I'll go out and run a couple mags through it and check it again, but I'm pretty happy with where it sits.   I compared the new assembly to the old, the locking piece of the old definetly had a little wear, but I noticed also that the tube that leads to the cocking piece seemed a pit worn or ground.....I had heard that can give a false low bolt gap reading too, so that may have been why it showed no bolt gap with the ground bolt.  



Well I took it out this past weekend and shot a couple boxes through it.   At first it was somewhat hesitant to feed out of the magazine, and a couple times would pass over the rounds without stripping one off and into the chamber.  (Bad mag springs?)   But with each mag I shot though it it got smoother and fed better.   By the time I shot the 4th mag I only had one failure to feed and it came on the 18th round of the mag.   It was flawless during that mag otherwise.  I plan on cleaning it up well and taking it out for another go around as soon as I can and hopefully it will feed perfectly!
1/30/2008 9:00:12 AM EDT
[#8]
glad you got it working,you wouldn't be the first to get bit in the ass by the CAI monkeys. back in the 90's I used to buy Cetme kits and part them out keeping the best parts for my self . what did the bolt run you ?
1/30/2008 4:02:34 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
glad you got it working,you wouldn't be the first to get bit in the ass by the CAI monkeys. back in the 90's I used to buy Cetme kits and part them out keeping the best parts for my self . what did the bolt run you ?


Thanks GONIF,  The complete bolt, locking piece, firing pin and spring, and carrier was $80 plus shipping if I recall correctly.   Which seemed like a great deal for a new old stock set.  Its the "full auto" bolt assembly, I didn't notice any difference right off when I installed it, so I'm unsure what the difference is.   I bought another new bolt only that isn't complete before I ordered that.   I'll probably sell it when I get time.
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