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Posted: 12/28/2007 5:12:27 PM EDT
| Just picked up a new in box sp89. I plan to SBR it with B&T stock, and use a MK9K suppressor. I think I want a three lug barrel, mag release, and MP5K markings. Who should I send it out to? |
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Jayson at investment Grade Firearms he did mine and does great work! www.investmentgradefirearms.com/ |
| Jayson cut down and installed three lugs on a couple of 94s. That was almost two years ago. He was fast back then and reasonable pricing. TSC's work looks great also. Just need to pick my parts up a choose one. I think I will have the carrier preped for FA also. I have a flemming sear in a Navy 4 position pack. |
No one uses the actual "HK factory finish". Many of the aftermarket finishes are better anyway. I've used a number of the well known HK smiths. I'd say RDTS and Urbach are both great as far as overall quality, however TSC has an edge. I am a very detail oriented person, I have tons of saved JPEGs of remarkings from different smiths. Here's what sets TSC apart: 1) Consistent quality of work. Always perfect, nothing leaves if it isn't impeccable. Urbach is similar, but there are other issues with him (timeliness). 2) Remarking. It's fantastic looking. Others can do remarking just as well, such as Urbach and RDTS. I do not like IGF or S&H remarkings, they just don't look good. 3) Customer service. You can call and talk to someone (Mike or Tammy). They don't avoid you. They are honest on turnaround times. This is PRICELESS once you've been through debacles with other smiths that take 10-12+ months and you can't find anything out because you are avoided and/or lied to about completion. |
I really don't care about turn around time, price, or how good they are on the phone. I just want someone that has the most factory like, true HK work and wont deviate to be cheap. |
TSC, RDTS, and Urbach all do excellent work. Come on man, you don't know HK collectors if you think any of us are trying to "save a buck" when we send our beloved German HK weapons in for surgery. |
Give me a break. If I was concerned about money, I wouldn't have a $6500 gun in the first place. This isn't my first time around. I still want my question answered. Maybe you didn't comprehend what I was trying to get at. I know all these people are good. I just want to know which one is going to be the best and I want to know why. If the top person is the best because they have fast turn around time and sound good on the phone, that doesn't fly with me. I'm not an instant gratification douche like most on this site. I don't care if its 2 months or 10 months, if I'm going to get a better job with the 10 month person. I want the best person with the best technical skills and work. I want to know who is going to mark and finish in a factory like way, not just spray finish on every part (like on the end of the MP5 barrel). Is it clear now? |
What made TSC stand out? |
The re-welds on the lettering were a touch better and the engraving looked more HK-ish (depth/thickness). Both were great but if I was to choose I would go with TSC. I would suggest getting your hands on actual guns to judge for yourself since the differences were very small. Basically if your the kinda guys that will obsess over the details, like many hk enthusiast, I would look at some guys before you send it off. Answering your question will be very hard for anyone because the subject is so subjective. Its not a chrome vs CM barrel discussion- its a how close to HK is the work-which will be in the eye of the beholder-so to speak. |
Thank you. |
Every time I ask a question like this and I specifically say I don't care about turn around, phone calls, etc. I always get somebody telling me how good someone's turn around time is or how good they are on the phone. I never get a straight answer. I always get someone fighting me over this customer service crap. That is why I get pissed. |
Wow, with the way you are acting I'm surprised anybody continues to post suggestions for you. I reread this series of posts and nowhere before poster Boomfab mentioned phone calls and turn around did you ever say "I don't care about phone calls, turn around or customer service." You asked who was better and many here have told you their opinion and in many cases why they feel that way. You also asked why TSC stood out from IGF and both Boomfab and TaylorWSO told you - the posters felt the remarkings were superior. Ask a question like "Which do you think is better, Ford, Chevy or Dodge" and you'll get people's opinions. There is a whole lot of subjectivity there. People above have tried to provide details for you. There is no point in being a dick to people giving you their opinions. At least give the illusion of being polite. Read the opinion, snicker and roll eyes in private, thank the poster and move on. Posted by SCOTTRYAN: "Give me a break. If I was concerned about money, I wouldn't have a $6500 gun in the first place." If you have so much damn money that price isn't a concern, then send your weapon out to one smith after another until you are happy and stop bitching like a spoiled brat. Posted by SCOTTRYAN: "This isn't my first time around. I still want my question answered." But mooom! I want my cheesy poofs NOW! Posted by SCOTTRYAN: "I'm not an instant gratification douche like most on this site." If you feel that most of the people on this site are instant gratification douche bags, then why bother asking the question here in the first place? |
Reread the thread. In my second post, I said that I don't care about turn around time or the telephone. Boomfab kept pushing this point after I made this post. What is so hard about that to see? |
No shit! If you cant be nice on here, why bother. |
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There are a couple reviews of service on the hkpro forums. I had a DOJ HK94 refinished by Jayson @ IGF and the work was excellent. He inspected the parts, beautifully welded the paddle release, cut the barrel and mounted the 3-lug flush. The only engraving I opted for was the NFA markings, which were very even and straight (though these vary from HK style markings). The refinishing he performed was even, looked great, and has held up very well with no flaking (the finish simply thins on the high wear areas, leaving the metal continually protected). I have no experience with TSC, but after seeing Jayson's work, I'm happy to send business his way. |
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Here is my SP89 converted to MP5K-PDW. The work was done by: HK - factory installation of a brand new mp5K-pdw barrel (thanks to Phil Flack for arranging it......he said I got the absolute last pdw barrel HK had) Phil Flack - clip/pin lower, install factory HK roller mag release, welded up the SP89 markings, and sold me the factory mp5K bolt carrier and buttstock. Gordon Miller - remark (absolutely outstanding and as close to factory as I've ever seen) and refinish   
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Hate to vamp and old thread but...I'm going to do just that... I'm days away from sending my flat and parts kit to Jayson at IGF. I wanted a 100% German HK MP5 (without actually spening 15+ grand) and didn't want to mess around with an SW or anything like that...so I scored an MP5 flat and bought a kit with new hardware. I searched and searched trying to decide on who to send everything to and decided on IGF. I wanted as close to a factory MP5 as possible regardless of cost and wait and IGF fit the bill. I was wondering where you sent, if you did yet, yours to Scott. Here's a little detail on MP5 builds from IGF... Finishes available: Envirotech, Black Phosphate Parkerizing, Manganese Phosphate Parkerizing, Enviro-TEF, Bluing Pricing: Finishing flat into a receiver: $350 Build kit, refinish in HK black: $650 Paddle mag install: $175 SBR engraving: $75 Thread Muzzle (1/2x28, 1/2x32) w/thread protector: $75 Current turnaround is three months So far in dealing with Jayson he seems very competent...I ask alot of questions since this is the first time doing anything like this and he was polite and to the point...no BS or fluff. Everyone over at HKPRO had nothing but praise for him and his work. I'll post pics when she's done...in 3-4 months. |
I thought about doing that but I thought that getting all factory HK MP5 parts would be closer...since all the parts used are actually MP5 parts. I'm new to HK and not even close to being up to speed. Hell I'm still giddy about how cheap ammo is going to be for it after feeding ARs for so long. If I like the MP5 enough when I get I'm going to do an SD build next. I will more than likely use an HK94 for that build since the receiver flats will probably be hard to come by when that time rolls around. |
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