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Posted: 3/14/2005 4:47:38 PM EDT
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If you can find one, and have your paperwork in order, be prepared to spend at least $15,000. Browse some full autos for sale at my local gun shop......................................... |
Welcome to the world of fullauto. The cost will only go up, not down. There aren't too many MP5 clones on the market today other than Special Weapons, which has a bad reputation in terms of quality control and customer service, and another company called Ohio Rapid Fire which is suppose to make their own MP5 clones pretty soon, but not as soon as we would've liked  I would still wait it out for an Ohio Rapid Fire RF5.You can also buy a HK94 (semi auto version of MP5, made by HK themselves) but that'll generally costs $3~4k, and you don't get a brandnew gun (no longer imported). |
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I addition to full auto being astronomical in price, you should also consider this... If you want a clone, of say an MP5, you're looking at a clone with a 16" barrel (Really goofy looking in my opinion), not the short MP5 barrel. Unless you get your paperwork in order to own an SBR. I don't know what the laws and realities of trying to get an SBR in Maine are, but you'll have to go through the same paperwork, essentially, as you would to legally buy a machine gun. Some places its possible, some its extremely difficult. In the mean time, check out the HK clones Vector produces. I've heard good things about them. VECTOR ARMS WEB PAGE LINK |
It's "just a $200 fee and some paperwork" for everyone living in any Class 3 state...just not as easy as it sounds. You sure you have a CLEO in your area that will sign your Form 4? Usually a major sticking point in the process. If you do, you're in business...if you don't, either incorperate yourself, or cultivate an appreciation for a 16" barrel. |
This is the first time I've heard anyone say NFA paperwork is easy. 
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The Special Weapons ones are no longer being made. Bobcat Weapons has basically taken them over. They just started with their Semi-auto version of the PDW. I have the Special Weapons version and it kicks but. They aren't so great with customer service, but every gun I have had (4 different models) have for the most part been good guns. You sometimes have to fiddle a little at the beginning, and they normally need a good break in, but in the end you have a good gun. Alot of SW bashers are people that have never owned one...Not saying this toward you Darkest 2000, but that's the way they get alot of their bad rep. I did the form 1 to SBR mine and have never regretted it. 
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Yep from what i read it is! If it was so hard i dont think everyone would do it! From what i hear the worst part is the wait! Vulcan arms pdw Bobcat pdw WHich one is the most realistic? Im thinking im going to go with the bobcat then get it sbr'ed |
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M4 or others, If I was to purchase a MP5 with a Navy trigger group/sear, can the sear be taken out of the Mp5 host and dropped into an MP5k-PDW setup? I know legally it can, so that is not the jist of my question. I also know that the MP5k-PDW frame is smaller than the standard MP5 as well. If the sear alone was to be move into a PDW triggerback, would it work? Reliably? Thanks, TS |
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Registered receiver MP5K-PDW http://www.shutterfly.com/view/picture_dt.jsp?state=67b0de21bbd1c287844d&idx=0 |
Yes if you swap out the trigger pack they will fit (assuming the lower housing is the same type on the MP5k PDW) One thing you need to be careful though, as soon as you remove that sear from the other MP5, it becomes a "sporting firearm" which means that all 922r and NFA rules would apply. |
while the trigger housing (aka lower housing, grip frame) on the MP5k is smaller, the trigger pack(internal) is the same size as MP5/G3/HK33. If you meant to ask if the MP5K trigger HOUSING will work with MP5, then no it will not. "Trigger pack" usually means the internal. |
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Darkest2000, Thank you for clearing that up. I guess you answered one of the questions I have been trying to clairfy for sometime. Are you well versed in MP5/MP5k-PDW's? Essentially, I am trying to piece together a package and want to make sure the items I am buying are going to be interchangable. Maybe we could chat on the phone sometime if possible? Your expertise (if you are a guru) would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, TS |
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hey cowboy. both are correct for the most part although vulcan has a rail mounted on top. both have the right 3-lug barrels and choate folding stocks. the major diff is in the quality. vulcan is crap, bw is renowned for their quality construction. question for the experts: can i put a plastic mp5 trigger housing on my pdw if i cut that back tang off (s/a-to-s/a, of course)? also, what parts can i swap out with f/a parts and not run afoul of the law? i've read about guys using f/a bolt carriers in their ak's and everyone seems to think that's kosher. also my bw pdw has a "s-e-f" trigger housing with "e" and "f" both being s/a...damn!   thanks for any assist! |
Wrong. 922r and its "sporting use" criteria does not apply to NFA weapons. There is written record of BATF opining in this fashion. However, If you remove a reg sear from a gun with a barrel less 16 inches and that gun is not a tax paid SBR then you are in violation of the National Firearms Actof 1934 |
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damn good eye there, az!!! i went back and looked more closely at those pics, and you nailed it! so, can anyone help me with my questions?
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I think the carrier question is one of those that can only be answered definately by a jury. I've heard lots of the 91s came with full-auto cariers. Personally, I think if they are pulling your weapon appart while it's in semi config you've already stepped on a sensitive organ so what's one more charge? It's like the debate over full-auto carriers ib ARs. If you ask on HKPRO or in the M16 forum on here you might get different answers. I'm not LEO, a Judge, a firearms expert, or a lawyer so do what you want with my opinion. As far as the trigger housing, I think I read somewhere you can teim it to fit a short reciever. I don't remember where. Check the RF94 group buy thread, and ask in the M16 Forum (not just for M16s) and on HKPRO. Somebody at one of the clone builders/HK smiths could probably answer as well: Ohio Rapid Fire HOT51 Investment Grade Firearms |
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