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1/21/2005 3:55:04 PM EDT
Hows it going, I have a century FAL with problems lol, first off its not cycling at all, i first shot south african surplus ammo (which runs great in my hk 91 and my M1a) through it, basically when i shoot it no matter what the gas setting is, it wont eject the round and its almost impossible to extract the empty shell, i have to use a lot of force.  Today i took it to the range had the same problems with off the shelf american eagle 308 and federal rounds except it wasnt as hard to pull the charging handle. I cancelled out the magazine by simply loading the rifle without a magazine, same problem. i filled up a magazine with live ammo and cycled all the rounds through the action no problems no scratches on the shells, i'm stumped, i took apart the gas system everything looks normal to me but then again this is my first FAL and dont know much about them> my thought is that the chamber should be polished or reamed if thats possible, i was thinking that when the round is fired the case expands and isnt allowed to extract, could that be the case, has any of you had similar problems with their FAL's i'm getting pissed, I should have bought a DSA! Any help would be greatly appricated. Joe
1/21/2005 3:58:29 PM EDT
[#1]
Also its an Imbel receiver and is stamped .308 standard barrel length (long).
1/21/2005 4:10:35 PM EDT
[#2]
those century guns can be a beotch to diagnose....so many thing to be wrong.
do you have the "A" on the gas plug at the top as you hold the rifle?
have you checked the headspace?
1/21/2005 5:38:03 PM EDT
[#3]
+1 on the adjustment on the end of the gas tube - under the barrel set to single shot.

If it's a new weapon have a close look at the gas system to make sure there's not something buggered up in it - a metal sliver or the like somewhere critical. You can take the handguards off and rest the thing on a sand bag to watch the "moving" parts.
1/21/2005 5:38:29 PM EDT
[#4]
What is happening is that the round is partially being extracted after it fires and the case expands. After the case  expands then it is being rammed back into the chamber by the bolt  which for some reason does not have enough rearward force to fully extract and eject the round.

Does this happen with the gas system closed or on its first setting? If so three things can be wrong:

1. The piston head is slightly too small in diameter, consequently too much gas blows by it.
2. There is a gas leak around the gas block or gas tube near the piston head. This may just be missing the cross pin where the gas tube meets the gas block. Which is an easy fix with a piece of wire coat hanger. Or the gas tube threads may be stripped. This happens when people attempt to unscreww the gas tube without removing the cross pin first.
3. The most unlikely is that the bleed hole in the barrel may need to be enlarged. Supposedly Century guns with new barrrels were assembled with barrels that only had a pilot hole and were never drilled to their proper diameter. Whether this is true or not is really irrelevant. Some guns need to have their gas bleeds drilled slightly larger. This is relatively easy to check and repair.

My advise is to go to FAL files those guys can tell you the proper diameter size for the piston head (a cheap and easy replacement) or the proper size for the bleed hole (I can't remember).  They will also tell the complete procedure for these repairs so you won't make the gun worse than when you started.

This is a pain in the ass but nothing serious.
1/21/2005 10:09:32 PM EDT
[#5]
Well this is where i'm at, i pulled out the gas plug, theres no markings on it, on one side theres a slit on the outer portion of the plug on that same side on the inner portion of the plug its just rounded. On the opposite side of the plug on the outside theres no slit on the inner portion of the plug theres a groove, when i pulled the plug out the inner groove was facing away from the gas port of the barrel, the side that was facing the gas port has a small spot of carbon build up, the same diameter as the gas port, tomorrow i'll shoot it again i think i found my problem. I tried to post a pic of the plug couldnt figure how to post pics. Joe (ps. i just reread my post and confused the hell out of myself, lol. )
1/21/2005 10:39:27 PM EDT
[#6]
Your gas piston should measure .430 the gas port on like an 18" barrel can be taken opened up to .116 this would be about right for that length of barrel.  It sounds like you have a Inch gas plug the grove should be facing up, if it is not then you ar ein single shot mode.  set the gas regulator to about 5 but first back it off and run a pipe cleaner down that hole that is to the rear of the front sight post.  
Look through the barrel to make sure it goes all the way through, or just use a piece of wire.  This is the gas port, drilling it out I would do as a last resort, it should be at an angle like 45 degrees.  If you decide to open it up put a piece of wooden dowel in the barrel, start with the smallest size drill bit like .106 and work you r way up to about .116 but no more then .118.  
One last thing make sure that your gas piston free falls through the gas tube, take it out and turn it around, it should be snug.  If it moves laterally then it might be undersized.  THen Take the spring off and put it in the correct way let it slide down to the bolt carrier area.  Watch it and make sure it is moving striaght through and not to one side or the other, if it is then it maybe getting bound up as it moves rearward.  If it is not moving striaght then your barrel could be out of time or th egas piston could be bent.  I also have heard some people saying something about a 2 piece century gas piston, this I don't think would be right, allthough I have not seen one.
1/21/2005 11:44:35 PM EDT
[#7]
From your description, the gas plug was set on GRENADE. When you reinstall the gas plug, make sure that the slot on the shiney end is facing down. Then make sure that the gas regulator is fully closed ( until you get it running and then set it properly)
1/22/2005 6:59:13 AM EDT
[#8]
The gas plug must have the groove on the outside of the plug facing up when installed.

I should have mentioned in my last post that the handguards must be removed to do the following checks. Don't forget to check the cross pin where the gas tube attaches to the gas block. The failure to have this pin installed will cause sufficient gas leakage to prevent proper opperation. The gas tube must be screwed tightly into the gas block. CAUTION as I said in my last post the gas tube threads will be damaged if you attempt to turn the gas tube with the cross pin in place.

Some early Century guns had a two piece gas piston that would bend and disable the gun I've had my gun about 3 1/2 years and it had a good one piece gas piston so I'm guessing yours is too but it is worth checking.

One non-gas system related item. does your bolt carrier ride freely in the upper receiver?

Spend time at FAL FILES thats where I learned all of this. Don't lose hope . My FAL is a Century built on a Heese receiver. Many would say that it is the worst FAL but there are alot of us with them that work fine. This one has been perfect and has run great since the day I bought it , and with a little work your's will too. Century FALs rarely have anything major wrong with them. Usually its something minor like a missing cross pin.

The only things I've done to it are change the hammer, trigger and sear with FSE components (best $50. I spent, the trigger is outstanding now) and replaced the bolt holdopen pin (the Brit and Austrailians grind these off. another cheap and easy fix found on FAL FILES).

The cheapest thing I did to the gun that improved my accuracy with it was to measure the apature of the rear sight with a drill bit. I then cleaned the sight and soldered the apature closed. I then drilled a smaller apature with a drill bit one or two sizes smaller. Surprisingly this has held up for the last coule of years. The original apature size is great for fast work on the battlefield but I found it too large for precise range work (not that the any FAL is accurate enough for real precise work).
1/22/2005 11:08:09 AM EDT
[#9]
Well i shot the FAL today i cracked the window about four inches and stood ten feet back in my living room and blasted away a few rounds (hearing protection of course) i was gonna go to the range this mourning but i got stuck plowing the 65 driveways i plow everytime it snows and man did it ever snow last night, snowplowing is something i do on the side and all the funds go into a gun fund, i usually buy some nice toys in the spring, well as far as the gun goes, you guys were the ticket, it performed like a champ, the gas plug was upside down, i took off the handguards the gas tube is a little loose, i didnt see a cross pin in it i will have to look more carefully, the gas port on the barrel was a little clogged up, i used a piece of 19 guage mechanics wire and opened the hole up, it took some work, so between that being clogged up and the gas plug in the single shot mode everything worked fine, i only shot three rounds through it though (i do live in the city ya know) i will take it to the range this week and test it fully, i would like to thank everyone for their expert help in helping me diagnose my FAL's problems. i will keep you all updated on how it performs this week, thank you....  Joe
1/22/2005 7:36:40 PM EDT
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Quoted:
i took off the handguards the gas tube is a little loose, i didnt see a cross pin in it i will have to look more carefully,




The gas tube can be a little loose and it will be fine. If the gas tube will rotate about 1/16th of an inch left and right, but go no further, then the pin is there and you have no worries.
1/24/2005 10:21:10 AM EDT
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Well i shot the FAL today i cracked the window about four inches and stood ten feet back in my living room and blasted away a few rounds........ (i do live in the city ya know) ....  Joe



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1/24/2005 11:23:04 AM EDT
[#12]
Dont ask! lol
2/5/2005 7:16:00 AM EDT
[#13]
Oh yes the back yard function test! ... one must be very stealthy as to not alert the folks next door , who the asshole was who just destroyed there calm, boring time alone together!
2/7/2005 1:59:14 PM EDT
[#14]
Well i finally took the FAL to the range today, i put two hundred rounds through it without a single malfunction, thanks to all who helped me with getting my FAL to work. after firing off the two hundred rounds i found a box of 308's in my range bag so i thought i'd mess with different gas settings, it would work at "6" but at number "5" it would'nt eject the round fully, any number above six it would.  All i had was one twenty round mag, i dont know what hurts more my thumbs or my shoulder, now i need to pick up ten or so mags anyone have a good source for metric 20 rounders? Well thanks again everyone, i'm gonna have the barrel shortened and have the gun reparkerized now that i know it shoots good i'm in a toss up between an ak74 break or one of those belgian short flash surpressors... we'll see. Joe
2/7/2005 9:15:07 PM EDT
[#15]
Try military gun supply, or DSA for the mags.  DSA sends you a new mag spring with each mag.
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